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Posted July 05, 2023 00:15 · last edited July 05, 2023 01:31

newzealandpower
MetalLegNZ
Realistically NZF was always going to struggle to get a big name coach.

We play in Oceania.
We have limited funds.
Our team is average.
We have no star quality. (Wood doesn't stand up comparatively internationally)

And comments around the WC carrot are over rated. 48 teams qualify now. There a lot more interesting sides out there than ours.

And despite the speculation, serious $$ was put on the table, but wasn't enough to hide the above facts and reality.

I don't know...I disagree. You see lots of big names taking over fairly average African or Asian teams purely for a chance to go to a WC...surely someone decent (and better than Baz) would have put their name forward. Sure, they wouldn't know the NZ domestic or A-League set up as well as the new coach, but you'd wager their superior pedigree and experience would have made up for it.
Besides, plenty of time to scout local, overseas and A-League Kiwis while doing this job.

To me this appointment just reeks of lack of ambition on the part of NZF. Be bold, put your money where you mouth is and get the best person for the job, not the one that feels the safest.
We're going be on the world's biggest stage in 3.5 years, let's start acting accordingly. 

Yes but often other average, even poor countries ain't adverse at all in spending large on an overseas coach. Gareca at Peru (not an average team) was on a reported $USD3.7M ($NZD6M) per year. That's an obscene amount of money compared to an average Peruvian salary. We operate a bit differently in this part of the world. Until the AWs qualify for the 2026 WC and NZF get their $15M windfall or whatever it will be, the national body needs to watch their pennies. From memory every time the team get together for an international window it can cost in the range of $200-$500K.

It's been a nearly 12 month recruitment process. If some 'standout' (other than Herdman) had applied, and been in NZF's affordability range it would have happened by now.

Pragnell has made some stupid statements through this saga, but there are also big limitations on who NZF could actually hire. Bazeley is the uninspiring low risk bet, punting on another Hudson or Schmid the risker option.

And lets remember the Coach Selection committee reportedly had input from likes of Nelsen, Wood & Bell. All of whom who's judgement I'd trust. Pragnell & the new High Performance guy from netball, less so.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-cup/130775380/end-of-world-cup-ushers-in-new-era-for-all-whites-with-five-on-coaching-shortlist

The first interviews with the shortlisted candidates took place this week, with more to follow this coming week.

They are being conducted online with Pragnell, NZ Football’s new high performance manager Keir Hansen and representatives from the board and the players’ association who Pragnell wouldn’t identify comprising the interview panel and two current All Whites he wouldn’t identify sitting in as observers.

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Unknown editor edited July 05, 2023 01:31
newzealandpower
MetalLegNZ
Realistically NZF was always going to struggle to get a big name coach.

We play in Oceania.
We have limited funds.
Our team is average.
We have no star quality. (Wood doesn't stand up comparatively internationally)

And comments around the WC carrot are over rated. 48 teams qualify now. There a lot more interesting sides out there than ours.

And despite the speculation, serious $$ was put on the table, but wasn't enough to hide the above facts and reality.

I don't know...I disagree. You see lots of big names taking over fairly average African or Asian teams purely for a chance to go to a WC...surely someone decent (and better than Baz) would have put their name forward. Sure, they wouldn't know the NZ domestic or A-League set up as well as the new coach, but you'd wager their superior pedigree and experience would have made up for it.
Besides, plenty of time to scout local, overseas and A-League Kiwis while doing this job.

To me this appointment just reeks of lack of ambition on the part of NZF. Be bold, put your money where you mouth is and get the best person for the job, not the one that feels the safest.
We're going be on the world's biggest stage in 3.5 years, let's start acting accordingly. 

Yes but often other average, even poor countries ain't adverse at all in spending large on an overseas coach. Gareca at Peru (not an average team) was on a reported $USD3.7M ($NZD6M) per year. That's an obscene amount of money compared to an average Peruvian salary. We operate a bit differently in this part of the world. Until the AWs qualify for the 2026 WC and NZF get their $15M windfall or whatever it will be, the national body needs to watch their pennies. From memory every time the team get together for an international window it can cost in the range of $200-$500K.

It's been a nearly 12 month recruitment process. If some 'standout' (other than Herdman) had applied, and been in NZF's affordability range it would have happened by now.
 
Pragnell has made some stupid statements through this saga, but there are also big limitations on who NZF could actually hire. Bazeley is the uninspiring low risk bet, punting on another Hudson or Schmid the risker option.

Unknown editor edited July 05, 2023 00:22
newzealandpower
MetalLegNZ
Realistically NZF was always going to struggle to get a big name coach.

We play in Oceania.
We have limited funds.
Our team is average.
We have no star quality. (Wood doesn't stand up comparatively internationally)

And comments around the WC carrot are over rated. 48 teams qualify now. There a lot more interesting sides out there than ours.

And despite the speculation, serious $$ was put on the table, but wasn't enough to hide the above facts and reality.

I don't know...I disagree. You see lots of big names taking over fairly average African or Asian teams purely for a chance to go to a WC...surely someone decent (and better than Baz) would have put their name forward. Sure, they wouldn't know the NZ domestic or A-League set up as well as the new coach, but you'd wager their superior pedigree and experience would have made up for it.
Besides, plenty of time to scout local, overseas and A-League Kiwis while doing this job.

To me this appointment just reeks of lack of ambition on the part of NZF. Be bold, put your money where you mouth is and get the best person for the job, not the one that feels the safest.
We're going be on the world's biggest stage in 3.5 years, let's start acting accordingly. 

Yes but often other average, even poor countries ain't adverse at all in spending large on an overseas coach. Gareca at Peru (not an average team) was on a reported $USD3.7M ($NZD6M) per year. That's an obscene amount of money compared to an average Peruvian salary. We operate a bit differently in this part of the world. Until the AWs qualify for the 2026 WC and NZF get their $15M windfall or whatever it will be, the national body needs to watch their pennies. From memory every time the team get together for an international window it can cost in the range of $200-$500K.

It's been a nearly 12 month recruitment process. If some 'standout' (other than Herdman) had applied, and been in NZF's affordability range it would have happened by now.
 
Pragnell & NZF have made some stupid statements through this saga, but there are also big limitations on who they could actually hire. Bazeley is the uninspiring low risk bet, punting on another Hudson or Schmid the risker option.

Unknown editor edited July 05, 2023 00:21
newzealandpower
MetalLegNZ
Realistically NZF was always going to struggle to get a big name coach.

We play in Oceania.
We have limited funds.
Our team is average.
We have no star quality. (Wood doesn't stand up comparatively internationally)

And comments around the WC carrot are over rated. 48 teams qualify now. There a lot more interesting sides out there than ours.

And despite the speculation, serious $$ was put on the table, but wasn't enough to hide the above facts and reality.

I don't know...I disagree. You see lots of big names taking over fairly average African or Asian teams purely for a chance to go to a WC...surely someone decent (and better than Baz) would have put their name forward. Sure, they wouldn't know the NZ domestic or A-League set up as well as the new coach, but you'd wager their superior pedigree and experience would have made up for it.
Besides, plenty of time to scout local, overseas and A-League Kiwis while doing this job.

To me this appointment just reeks of lack of ambition on the part of NZF. Be bold, put your money where you mouth is and get the best person for the job, not the one that feels the safest.
We're going be on the world's biggest stage in 3.5 years, let's start acting accordingly. 

Yes but often other average, even poor countries ain't adverse at all in spending large on an overseas coach. Gareca at Peru (not an average team) was on a reported $USD3.7M ($NZD6M) per year. That's an obscene amount of money compared to an average Peruvian salary. We operate a bit differently in this part of the world. Until the AWs qualify for the 2026 WC and NZF get their $15M windfall or whatever it will be, the national body needs to watch their pennies. From memory every time the team get together for an international window it can cost in the range of $200-$500K.

It's been a nearly 12 month recruitment process. If some 'standout' (other than Herdman) had applied, and been in NZF's affordability range it would have happened by now.
 
Unknown editor edited July 05, 2023 00:18
newzealandpower
MetalLegNZ
Realistically NZF was always going to struggle to get a big name coach.

We play in Oceania.
We have limited funds.
Our team is average.
We have no star quality. (Wood doesn't stand up comparatively internationally)

And comments around the WC carrot are over rated. 48 teams qualify now. There a lot more interesting sides out there than ours.

And despite the speculation, serious $$ was put on the table, but wasn't enough to hide the above facts and reality.

I don't know...I disagree. You see lots of big names taking over fairly average African or Asian teams purely for a chance to go to a WC...surely someone decent (and better than Baz) would have put their name forward. Sure, they wouldn't know the NZ domestic or A-League set up as well as the new coach, but you'd wager their superior pedigree and experience would have made up for it.
Besides, plenty of time to scout local, overseas and A-League Kiwis while doing this job.

To me this appointment just reeks of lack of ambition on the part of NZF. Be bold, put your money where you mouth is and get the best person for the job, not the one that feels the safest.
We're going be on the world's biggest stage in 3.5 years, let's start acting accordingly. 

Yes but often other average, even poor countries ain't adverse at all in spending large on an overseas coach. Gareca at Peru (not an average team) was on a reported $USD3.7M per year. That's an obscene amount of money compared to an average Peruvian salary. We operate a bit differently in this part of the world. Until the AWs qualify for the 2026 WC and NZF get their $15M windfall or whatever it will be, the national body needs to watch their pennies. From memory every time the team get together for an international window it can cost in the range of $200-$500K.

It's been a nearly 12 month recruitment process. If some 'standout' (other than Herdman) had applied, and been in NZF's affordability range it would have happened by now.
 
Unknown editor edited July 05, 2023 00:16
newzealandpower
MetalLegNZ
Realistically NZF was always going to struggle to get a big name coach.

We play in Oceania.
We have limited funds.
Our team is average.
We have no star quality. (Wood doesn't stand up comparatively internationally)

And comments around the WC carrot are over rated. 48 teams qualify now. There a lot more interesting sides out there than ours.

And despite the speculation, serious $$ was put on the table, but wasn't enough to hide the above facts and reality.

I don't know...I disagree. You see lots of big names taking over fairly average African or Asian teams purely for a chance to go to a WC...surely someone decent (and better than Baz) would have put their name forward. Sure, they wouldn't know the NZ domestic or A-League set up as well as the new coach, but you'd wager their superior pedigree and experience would have made up for it.
Besides, plenty of time to scout local, overseas and A-League Kiwis while doing this job.

To me this appointment just reeks of lack of ambition on the part of NZF. Be bold, put your money where you mouth is and get the best person for the job, not the one that feels the safest.
We're going be on the world's biggest stage in 3.5 years, let's start acting accordingly. 

Yes but often other average, even poor countries ain't adverse at all in spending large on an overseas coach. Gareca at Peru (not an average team) was from memory on over $NZ2M per year. That's an obscene amount of money compared to an average Peruvian salary. We operate a bit differently in this part of the world. Until the AWs qualify for the 2026 WC and NZF get their $15M windfall or whatever it will be, the national body needs to watch their pennies. From memory every time the team get together for an international window it can cost in the range of $200-$500K.

It's been a nearly 12 month recruitment process. If some 'standout' (other than Herdman) had applied, and been in NZF's affordability range it would have happened by now.