Ernie Merrick? Bazeley done good with U19s at OFC qualifiers. A return for Huddo? The latter would see many on here, snort their coffee out of inflamed nostrils.
Buckingham might feel NZF have burnt their bridges with him over the U23s fiasco and anyway, has a secure job in Indian Super League.
I respect Bazeley and don't get the hate he has gotten in the past, but he isn't the calibre of an AWs coach. Also wouldn't select anyone from the domestic-based contingent.
Uffie would probably do a decent job but given he is likely to leave the Nix at the end of this season, I think it's pretty unlikely.
Any other Aussies that might be available? Someone with experience in the A-League and/or Aus youth teams could be a go.
The only way I can see an experienced coach coming in is if they have a duel role with their club and the national team, similarly to what Hiddink did with Australia (if I recall he didn't love it at the time).
Unfortunately I can't see us getting someone experienced outside of NZ/Aus to progress the team otherwise for the reasons mentioned. It's not an overly appealing job, even with an almost guaranteed spot at the next WC.
Buckingham seems to have burnt his bridges with NZF over the U23s fiasco and anyway, has a secure job in Indian Super League.
I thought he kept the moral high ground when he was dumped so that Danny could have some coaching to do. When did he burn bridges? He was superb with the 23s and is highly regarded so this is news to me.
Buckingham seems to have burnt his bridges with NZF over the U23s fiasco and anyway, has a secure job in Indian Super League.
I thought he kept the moral high ground when he was dumped so that Danny could have some coaching to do. When did he burn bridges? He was superb with the 23s and is highly regarded so this is news to me.
yeah, it was buckingham who was pissed around by NZF
Buckingham seems to have burnt his bridges with NZF over the U23s fiasco and anyway, has a secure job in Indian Super League.
I thought he kept the moral high ground when he was dumped so that Danny could have some coaching to do. When did he burn bridges? He was superb with the 23s and is highly regarded so this is news to me.
Used the phrase wrong, rather he might feel like NZF had burnt the bridge with him.
Buckingham seems to have burnt his bridges with NZF over the U23s fiasco and anyway, has a secure job in Indian Super League.
I respect Bazeley and don't get the hate he has gotten in the past, but he isn't the calibre of an AWs coach. Also wouldn't select anyone from the domestic-based contingent.
Uffie would probably do a decent job but given he is likely to leave the Nix at the end of this season, I think it's pretty unlikely.
Any other Aussies that might be available? Someone with experience in the A-League and/or Aus youth teams could be a go.
FD75EB92-FE52-453C-8BFD-ACCAAE2F2422.jpeg1.21 MBI would have thought Des did anything but burn bridges. I remember thinking at the time how much class he carried himself with when it would have easily been able to do anything but. Every thing I saw he always spoke well of the organisation, with no ill feeling. Only maybe understandable disappointment of not being able to finish what he had started and having that closure with the players that wanted him retained. He has spoken about NZ being his home so with the right project and environment he would probably be interested in talking. On another note if Mumbai get to the final they would finish mid-March just before the FIFA window starting on the 20th. Perfect timing https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/05/des-buckingham-new-zealand-english-coach-under-20-world-cup-success-qualifying-tokyo-olympics-lost-job
Buckingham seems to have burnt his bridges with NZF over the U23s fiasco and anyway, has a secure job in Indian Super League.
I respect Bazeley and don't get the hate he has gotten in the past, but he isn't the calibre of an AWs coach. Also wouldn't select anyone from the domestic-based contingent.
Uffie would probably do a decent job but given he is likely to leave the Nix at the end of this season, I think it's pretty unlikely.
Any other Aussies that might be available? Someone with experience in the A-League and/or Aus youth teams could be a go.
FD75EB92-FE52-453C-8BFD-ACCAAE2F2422.jpeg1.21 MBI would have thought Des did anything but burn bridges. I remember thinking at the time how much class he carried himself with when it would have easily been able to do anything but. Every thing I saw he always spoke well of the organisation, with no ill feeling. Only maybe understandable disappointment of not being able to finish what he had started and having that closure with the players that wanted him retained. He has spoken about NZ being his home so with the right project and environment he would probably be interested in talking. On another note if Mumbai get to the final they would finish mid-March just before the FIFA window starting on the 20th. Perfect timing https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/05/des-buckingham-new-zealand-english-coach-under-20-world-cup-success-qualifying-tokyo-olympics-lost-job
Again, I used the phrase wrong. I meant it the other way around.
NZ Football asked him to re-apply for his job which Hay would have found insulting. In the unlikely event that Hay did re apply then the odds of him getting the job would be very long.
NZ Football should have been straight up and just told him they would not be renewing his contract.
Buckingham might feel NZF have burnt their bridges with him over the U23s fiasco and anyway, has a secure job in Indian Super League.
I respect Bazeley and don't get the hate he has gotten in the past, but he isn't the calibre of an AWs coach. Also wouldn't select anyone from the domestic-based contingent.
Uffie would probably do a decent job but given he is likely to leave the Nix at the end of this season, I think it's pretty unlikely.
Any other Aussies that might be available? Someone with experience in the A-League and/or Aus youth teams could be a go.
This is pretty weird Beazley a Hay crony and what achievements does he have? Speaking with a British accent? Remember when Hay and Beazley had 3 years to prepare a team for a home U20 world cup and produced a 1970s style of football with zero cohesion?
lthomas20
Buckingham might feel NZF have burnt their bridges with him over the U23s fiasco and anyway, has a secure job in Indian Super League.
I respect Bazeley and don't get the hate he has gotten in the past, but he isn't the calibre of an AWs coach. Also wouldn't select anyone from the domestic-based contingent.
Uffie would probably do a decent job but given he is likely to leave the Nix at the end of this season, I think it's pretty unlikely.
Any other Aussies that might be available? Someone with experience in the A-League and/or Aus youth teams could be a go.
lthomas20
Buckingham might feel NZF have burnt their bridges with him over the U23s fiasco and anyway, has a secure job in Indian Super League.
I respect Bazeley and don't get the hate he has gotten in the past, but he isn't the calibre of an AWs coach. Also wouldn't select anyone from the domestic-based contingent.
Uffie would probably do a decent job but given he is likely to leave the Nix at the end of this season, I think it's pretty unlikely.
Any other Aussies that might be available? Someone with experience in the A-League and/or Aus youth teams could be a go.
Hlthomas20
Buckingham might feel NZF have burnt their bridges with him over the U23s fiasco and anyway, has a secure job in Indian Super League.
I respect Bazeley and don't get the hate he has gotten in the past, but he isn't the calibre of an AWs coach. Also wouldn't select anyone from the domestic-based contingent.
Uffie would probably do a decent job but given he is likely to leave the Nix at the end of this season, I think it's pretty unlikely.
Any other Aussies that might be available? Someone with experience in the A-League and/or Aus youth teams could be a go.
coochiee
Ernie Merrick? Bazeley done good with U19s at OFC qualifiers. A return for Huddo? The latter would see many on here, snort their coffee out of inflamed nostrils.
Bazeley's (or is it Beazley) latest achievement was coaching the U19s to the OFC title and WC qualification without conceding a goal. Don't think even Des did that.
Bazeley's (or is it Beazley) latest achievement was coaching the U19s to the OFC title and WC qualification without conceding a goal. Don't think even Des did that.
An impressively well-coached team and a lot of quality... hopefully they can smash it at U20 WC next year.
In order of preference: (1) Des Buckingham (2) Ramon Tribulietx (3) José Figueira
Hopefully you ain’t on the selectors panel
Defend the position. Des Buckinghams record explains itself, Tribulietx took Auckland to the final stages of the club world cup, Figueira took Team Wellington, thats right Team Wellington to the Club World Cup.
Have you got your fingers crossed for Darren Beazley the man of many non-achievements? Or would you like Hay back, the high school coach who never achieved anything on his own. Feverish
Ted Striker
In order of preference: (1) Des Buckingham (2) Ramon Tribulietx (3) José Figueira
Bazeley's (or is it Beazley) latest achievement was coaching the U19s to the OFC title and WC qualification without conceding a goal. Don't think even Des did that.
An impressively well-coached team and a lot of quality... hopefully they can smash it at U20 WC next year.
Anyway, Bazeley isn't the man for the AWs job.
Their finishing was terrible. They would completely nailed by Australia.
Bazeley's (or is it Beazley) latest achievement was coaching the U19s to the OFC title and WC qualification without conceding a goal. Don't think even Des did that.
An impressively well-coached team and a lot of quality... hopefully they can smash it at U20 WC next year.
Anyway, Bazeley isn't the man for the AWs job.
Their finishing was terrible. They would completely nailed by Australia.
You have some weird logic. Hay took Eastern Suburbs to the Handy Prem title. Who knows if half that squad hadn't signed pro deals soon after, and he'd stayed on as coach - he might have also got them to the Club World Cup.
When it was a proper fair Champions League/CWC qualifying format in OFC, it always came down to final between the 2 NZ teams, mostly Auckland City verus TW.
Interesting read. In my view keeping every member of a 23 man (or greater squad) happy is an impossible task.
Especially if you get only 5 days or 2-4 training runs with your players squashed into a FIFA window. Sure every player is different, and yes whilst some will thrive in an 'intense' environment, and others will dislike it - there are real limitations on catering to every player's special personality with such limited real contact periods. Very different to stay the All Blacks, who have camps galore plus regular 6 week European tours.
Be very interesting to see who NZF appoint as their new High Performance Manager - seems to have been a revolving door position for many years. Some stability would be nice.
Significantly reviewing the way the All Whites team staff work with New Zealand Football’s high performance department to ensure there is a collaborative, planned approach moving forward;
The need for proactive investment in coach development at All Whites level;
Examining possible ways to introduce greater professional football expertise within NZF, including potentially adding high-profile former All Whites to the high performance and player welfare committee;
Suggestions in relation to how the role of GM of high performance could be filled;
The need for the communication style of the coaching group (led by the head coach) to evolve to meet the needs of a wide range of players from a cross-section of backgrounds;
Placing a greater focus on creating a strong culture of transparency and honesty, including ways to improve the scope for player feedback and collaboration (such as the establishment of a more formalised leadership group);
Ensuring that the team rituals become part of the DNA of the All Whites and that they are passed down from generation to generation; and
Having the team play as often as possible (ideally in every Fifa window), setting a plan in place to target higher quality opposition and to have the team play in New Zealand more often.
Not a Milicich fan but his interview on the radio was interesting regarding the above. He said NZF are dreaming if they think they can find an international quality coach on the wage they offer which is about 250k. Said Des is unlikely as his club is owned by the City group and his wage there will be atleast double that.
Hay he argued was the best option domestically and affordable.
What about Giancarlo Italiano, for the first two years of his contract with NZF it could be a job share with the Nix with him moving full time with NZF for the last two years of the cycle - seems to be well respected and obviously knows a few of the players. Seems tactically very strong.
Bazeley's (or is it Beazley) latest achievement was coaching the U19s to the OFC title and WC qualification without conceding a goal. Don't think even Des did that.
An impressively well-coached team and a lot of quality... hopefully they can smash it at U20 WC next year.
Anyway, Bazeley isn't the man for the AWs job.
Their finishing was terrible. They would completely nailed by Australia.
You have some weird logic. Hay took Eastern Suburbs to the Handy Prem title. Who knows if half that squad hadn't signed pro deals soon after, and he'd stayed on as coach - he might have also got them to the Club World Cup.
When it was a proper fair Champions League/CWC qualifying format in OFC, it always came down to final between the 2 NZ teams, mostly Auckland City verus TW.
Hay may have been the head coach at Eastern Suburbs but it was Declan pulling the strings that season. Declan would sit in the stands first half and then be on the bench 2nd half after being in changing rooms at half time. It was also basically Western Suburbs - so much so that that club used to tweet about how well they were doing in the National League!
Bazeley's (or is it Beazley) latest achievement was coaching the U19s to the OFC title and WC qualification without conceding a goal. Don't think even Des did that.
An impressively well-coached team and a lot of quality... hopefully they can smash it at U20 WC next year.
Anyway, Bazeley isn't the man for the AWs job.
Their finishing was terrible. They would completely nailed by Australia.
You have some weird logic. Hay took Eastern Suburbs to the Handy Prem title. Who knows if half that squad hadn't signed pro deals soon after, and he'd stayed on as coach - he might have also got them to the Club World Cup.
When it was a proper fair Champions League/CWC qualifying format in OFC, it always came down to final between the 2 NZ teams, mostly Auckland City verus TW.
Ah well he took Ole team and moved them to Auckland and by his own admission, Declan Edge was heavily involved in the coaching aspect of it.
The following year when he didn't have access to Ole, his team was average.
Why would Des want it now? They don't play many games, he's in the City machine now and could end up anywhere within that group, or at least is a good shop window for other club gigs.
Bazeley's (or is it Beazley) latest achievement was coaching the U19s to the OFC title and WC qualification without conceding a goal. Don't think even Des did that.
An impressively well-coached team and a lot of quality... hopefully they can smash it at U20 WC next year.
Anyway, Bazeley isn't the man for the AWs job.
Their finishing was terrible. They would completely nailed by Australia.
You have some weird logic. Hay took Eastern Suburbs to the Handy Prem title. Who knows if half that squad hadn't signed pro deals soon after, and he'd stayed on as coach - he might have also got them to the Club World Cup.
When it was a proper fair Champions League/CWC qualifying format in OFC, it always came down to final between the 2 NZ teams, mostly Auckland City verus TW.
Ah well he took Ole team and moved them to Auckland and by his own admission, Declan Edge was heavily involved in the coaching aspect of it.
The following year when he didn't have access to Ole, his team was average.
Hay won the title in 18/19, and was appointed All Whites coach in August 2019, so he didn't have a "following year" at Suburbs. Tony Readings was the coach for the 19/20 season, so fair enough if you want to judge Readings on that, but it wasn't Hay.
Just got to hope whichever first-job, British, CV-tick manager that becomes the next coach does a good job before they leave after the inevitable "brave and courageous" group stage exit in 2026 that "we can all hold our heads high and be proud about".
Hiddink was obviously enamoured with the AWs after our game in Brisbane. Let’s grab him, the part time nature might suit him.Jtoml3
The only way I can see an experienced coach coming in is if they have a duel role with their club and the national team, similarly to what Hiddink did with Australia (if I recall he didn't love it at the time).
Unfortunately I can't see us getting someone experienced outside of NZ/Aus to progress the team otherwise for the reasons mentioned. It's not an overly appealing job, even with an almost guaranteed spot at the next WC.
One massive carrot is the all but assured qualification to the WC. This will likely attract more high profile coaches in my view who might be happy with a lower salary if the end game is to coach at a WC and potentially move on and up from there.
I like the idea of the coach job sharing the Nix and AWs to be honest. The timing isn't great as Christmas is too early. But since we're not playing for 6 months or so, doesn't it make sense to wait until the conclusion (or close to) of the A-league men season?
It could be a way to keep Uffie in NZ? Otherwise I really don't know who we will get. Des is earning too much in India and hasn't been in the role long enough to leave. And he's probably still pissed at NZF.
One massive carrot is the all but assured qualification to the WC. This will likely attract more high profile coaches in my view who might be happy with a lower salary if the end game is to coach at a WC and potentially move on and up from there.
I like the idea of the coach job sharing the Nix and AWs to be honest. The timing isn't great as Christmas is too early. But since we're not playing for 6 months or so, doesn't it make sense to wait until the conclusion (or close to) of the A-league men season?
It could be a way to keep Uffie in NZ? Otherwise I really don't know who we will get. Des is earning too much in India and hasn't been in the role long enough to leave. And he's probably still pissed at NZF.
While you may be right, said World Cup is also 3.5 years away. Not sure there are many coaches who will be that patient.
I think we'd be more likely to get a random international coach who doesn't have anything else on the table, or a part-timer who also has an A-League gig. I'd have the latter, personally.
One massive carrot is the all but assured qualification to the WC. This will likely attract more high profile coaches in my view who might be happy with a lower salary if the end game is to coach at a WC and potentially move on and up from there.
I like the idea of the coach job sharing the Nix and AWs to be honest. The timing isn't great as Christmas is too early. But since we're not playing for 6 months or so, doesn't it make sense to wait until the conclusion (or close to) of the A-league men season?
It could be a way to keep Uffie in NZ? Otherwise I really don't know who we will get. Des is earning too much in India and hasn't been in the role long enough to leave. And he's probably still pissed at NZF.
There's going to be games in March apparently. So no.
Personally not a fan of Nix/AWs jobsharing because I think it's just a bit too cosy, but look, if that's what we needed to get somebody of decent quality (i.e. Uffie), I guess I'd suck it up.
Just read the summary (would love to see the full report) it looks pretty good to be fair (I have both written and received reports of this nature many times myself). Seems to me that the breakdown is between Hay and the rest of NZF. The examples outlined are things that do need to be fixed and I’d imagine NZF tried but couldn’t get change because they couldn’t, Hay wouldn’t comply or a mixture of both. From an organisational perspective it is probably easier to replace the coach than try to get a reluctant one to change. The coaching market is immense and as long as NZF aren’t hell bent on going with a KIwi based one, there is a reasonable chance of hiring someone half decent.
