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Posted June 04, 2014 10:49 · last edited June 04, 2014 10:52

kiwikingz1 wrote:

Will due respect Big Pete 65, I got my information from An Association With Soccer by Tony Hilton and Statistics Compiled by Barry Smith.

The NZFA celebrates its first 100 years.

 NZ National Team Matches 1904-1990,Page 157,match 222, September 11 v Iran ( Presidents Cup Tournament) lost 2-1 with Ten Broeke replacing Cresswell.

 Match 223, September 13  v Morocco ( Presidents Cup) lost 0-3, Ten Broeke replaced by Armstrong M.

Match 224, September 15 v Eintracht Frankfurt West Germany ( Presidents Cup) won 3-0 with Ten Broeke scoring a goal.

Ten Broeke also played against Selangor FC on the 27th September.

I'm not saying they were A Internationals as I'm no expert but he is credited with represting NZ on four occasions.

So going on the above information it would appear that Ten Broeke is currently the yougest player to represent NZ.

Your thoughts Big Pete!!!

Sorry, but Ten Broeke never played in an international for NZ - games against club sides don't count. NZ used to play a lot of friendlies against club sides and people wrongly included these games towards players' "games played for NZ". Doesn't happen any more. FIFA and other countries don't consider games vs. club sides as internationals either.

To be called an All White (or a "NZ international") you have to have earned a cap which means playing in an "A international match". You don't earn caps for games against club sides. This is consistent across all countries and is defined by FIFA:

http://www.englandfootballonline.com/App/AppIntMtchs.html

"Chapter II.  Definition, announcement and registration of matches

Art. 4 

An international “A” match shall be a match that has been arranged between two national associations affiliated to the Federation and for which both associations field their first national representative team."


 

I also have the  "An Association With Soccer" book and I regard it as one of the best books about NZ football ever.

However, their stats are wrong on this occasion - and it's easy to verify by checking international football websites.

No website on the planet records NZ playing Iran or Morocco in 1978.

All Iran's internationals including 1978:

http://www.rsssf.com/tablesi/iran-intres.html


NZ played only club sides in that Presidents Cup in Korea: "PAS Tehran FC" from Iran, "FAR Rabat" from Morocco and Eintracht Frankfurt u-21 as proved by the link I supplied above to the RSSSF.

Clubs used to enter these competitions like the Presidents Cup as "representing their country" but were not national teams at all.

Here is that President's Cup 1978 on Wikipedia with all the results and it confirms what I've been saying:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_President's_Cup_Football_Tournament

NZ were in Group B and here are the teams and results:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_President's_Cup_Football_Tournament#Group_B

TeamPldWDLGFGAGDPts
 PAS Tehran 3 3 0 0 7 2 +5 6
 FAR Rabat 3 1 1 1 4 3 +1 3
 New Zealand 3 1 0 2 4 5 −1 2
 Eintracht Frankfurt 3 0 1 2 2 7 −5 1

President's Cup 1978 at RSSSF:

http://www.rsssf.com/tabless/skor-pres78.html


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Big Pete 65 edited June 04, 2014 10:52
kiwikingz1 wrote:

Will due respect Big Pete 65, I got my information from An Association With Soccer by Tony Hilton and Statistics Compiled by Barry Smith.

The NZFA celebrates its first 100 years.

 NZ National Team Matches 1904-1990,Page 157,match 222, September 11 v Iran ( Presidents Cup Tournament) lost 2-1 with Ten Broeke replacing Cresswell.

 Match 223, September 13  v Morocco ( Presidents Cup) lost 0-3, Ten Broeke replaced by Armstrong M.

Match 224, September 15 v Eintracht Frankfurt West Germany ( Presidents Cup) won 3-0 with Ten Broeke scoring a goal.

Ten Broeke also played against Selangor FC on the 27th September.

I'm not saying they were A Internationals as I'm no expert but he is credited with represting NZ on four occasions.

So going on the above information it would appear that Ten Broeke is currently the yougest player to represent NZ.

Your thoughts Big Pete!!!

Sorry, but Ten Broeke never played in an international for NZ - games against club sides don't count. NZ used to play a lot of friendlies against club sides and people wrongly included these games towards players' "games played for NZ". Doesn't happen any more. FIFA and other countries don't consider games vs. club sides as internationals either.
To be called an All White (or a "NZ international") you have to have earned a cap which means playing in an "A international match". You don't earn caps for games against club sides. This is consistent across all countries and is defined by FIFA:
"

Chapter II.  Definition, announcement and registration of matches

Art. 4

International football matches recognised by the Federation shall be those between two national associations affiliated to the Federation and for which each association fields a representative national team.

An international “A” match shall be a match that has been arranged between two national associations affiliated to the Federation and for which both associations field their first national representative team."

 
I also have the  "An Association With Soccer" book and I regard it as one of the best books about NZ football ever.
However, their stats are wrong on this ocassion - and it's easy to verify by checking international football websites.
No website on the planet records NZ playing Iran or Morocco in 1978.
All Iran's internationals including 1978:
NZ played only club sides in that Presidents Cup in Korea: "PAS Tehran FC" from Iran, "FAR Rabat" from Morocco and Eintracht Frankfurt u-21 as proved by the link I supplied above to the RSSSF.
Clubs used to enter these competitions like the Presidents Cup as "representing their country" but were not national teams at all.
Here is that President's Cup 1978 on Wikipedia with all the results and it confirms what I've been saying:
NZ were in Group B and here are the teams and results:
Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
Iran PAS Tehran 3 3 0 0 7 2 +5 6
Morocco FAR Rabat 3 1 1 1 4 3 +1 3
 New Zealand 3 1 0 2 4 5 −1 2
West Germany Eintracht Frankfurt 3 0 1 2 2 7 −5 1

President's Cup 1978 at RSSSF: