Who Is Our Youngest AW

Does anybody know who the youngest player to debut for the AWs is? 

Cameron Howieson is quite young, but so was Ivan, Chris James and Wyton.  Any ideas?

I do remember playing against Robert Ten Broeke in the Junior National Cup, Stop Out v Miramar Rangers.

He got selected to represent New Zealand on September 11th 1978 aged 16 years 341 days, beating David Taylor's record of 17 years 198 days.

For the record New Zealand lost to Iran 2-1.

Don't think he ever played for NZ again.

Cheers for that info.  I know Dave wellish but did not realise how young he was when he first played for NZ.  I've never heard of Robert Ten Broeke at all but then that was before I was born and he only appeared once.  Did he have much of a career in the old national League?

Robert ten Broeke played in the national league for one season before going to Holland and playing for AZ67. He returned to NZ and was injured during a game for his old club "Stop Out" against CYFC - the same day he was selected to go to Argentina to the junior World Cup. His knee injury ended his career. 

That is a the saddest story. double blow to the man. Very cruel.

Ceri Evans was also very young when he made his A international debut aged 17 years and 14 days in a 5-1 win over Kuwait on October 16 1980 in the Merdeka tournmanet in Malaysia. Started in all seven games for NZ in the tournament. Adshead must have considered him too young for the 1981-82 All Whites - plus he had school work leading in to his first year at university in 1982.

http://www.ultimatenzsoccer.com/NZRepSoccer/id1563.htm

I followed Ceri from highschool in Nelson to the same university hostel at Canterbury the following year and followed his progress as he became an All Whites regular in 1983. I memorably watched on TV with the residents and principal of his former hostel as he played for the All Whites again at the Olympic qualifying tournament Singapore, April 1984.

Ceri was a legend at Rochester and Rutherford Halls for disobeying the order of his Christchurch United National League coach and secretly playing for our Hall in the university indoor football comp. They of course blitzed the opposition with an All White playing for them.

He made his National League debut aged 15 for Nelson in 1979.

Ten Broeke never played in an international for NZ , only against club sides.
 

Interesting stuff Pete, really enjoyed reading it. If Ceri was 21 again, how do you think he would have gone in te A League?

Ceri was one of our best-ever international centre-backs (and would have been good enough to play for Australia too) so he would waltz into any current A-League team. Better player than Durante or Sigmund. 116 games for Oxford United in English second tier 1989 - 1994 when he played alongside future Premier League stars and internationals. Juggled pro football with studying at Oxford University.

Ceri trialed at Manchester United in 1980 aged 16 and had to mark fellow triallist Mark Hughes (also 16) in a trial game.

Wasn't signed but concentrated on completing a medical degree at Canterbury and Otago Universities in the 1980's , while playing for Christchurch United and Dunedin City in the Rothmans League.

Decided in 1989 to take up a Rhodes Scholarship at Oxford University - combined with playing in the second tier of English football for Oxford United. Oxford had just been relegated from the top flight and were owned by crooked media mogul Robert Maxwell and had a bigger budget then. Liverpool legend Mark Laurenson signed Ceri for Oxford late in the 1988-89 season.

Ceri's team mates at Oxford included current Derby manager (and former England manager) Steve McClaren, Steve Foster (ex-England international & ex- Villa, Luton and Brighton), Robbie Mustoe (future Middlesbrough star) , Andy Melville (Wales international 1989 -2004, future Sunderland and Fulham star), Mark Stein (Luton, Chelsea & Stoke striker) and Jim Magilton before he went to the Premier League (who also played for Liverpool, Sheffield Wednesday, Southampton and Ipswich and briefly coached Melbourne Victory in the A-League.) . 

I knew the name but not the history. Thanks heaps.

Ceri was definately no Joey Barton then!  Thanks for answering Big Pete.  So Ceri is definately our youngest or just a very educated anwer?

Will due respect Big Pete 65, I got my information from An Association With Soccer by Tony Hilton and Statistics Compiled by Barry Smith.

The NZFA celebrates its first 100 years.

 NZ National Team Matches 1904-1990,Page 157,match 222, September 11 v Iran ( Presidents Cup Tournament) lost 2-1 with Ten Broeke replacing Cresswell.

 Match 223, September 13  v Morocco ( Presidents Cup) lost 0-3, Ten Broeke replaced by Armstrong M.

Match 224, September 15 v Eintracht Frankfurt West Germany ( Presidents Cup) won 3-0 with Ten Broeke scoring a goal.

Ten Broeke also played against Selangor FC on the 27th September.

I'm not saying they were A Internationals as I'm no expert but he is credited with represting NZ on four occasions.

So going on the above information it would appear that Ten Broeke is currently the yougest player to represent NZ.

Your thoughts Big Pete!!!

Sorry, but Ten Broeke never played in an international for NZ - games against club sides don't count. NZ used to play a lot of friendlies against club sides and people wrongly included these games towards players' "games played for NZ". Doesn't happen any more. FIFA and other countries don't consider games vs. club sides as internationals either.

To be called an All White (or a "NZ international") you have to have earned a cap which means playing in an "A international match". You don't earn caps for games against club sides. This is consistent across all countries and is defined by FIFA:

http://www.englandfootballonline.com/App/AppIntMtchs.html

"Chapter II.  Definition, announcement and registration of matches

Art. 4 

I also have the  "An Association With Soccer" book and I regard it as one of the best books about NZ football ever.

However, their stats are wrong on this occasion - and it's easy to verify by checking international football websites.

No website on the planet records NZ playing Iran or Morocco in 1978.

All Iran's internationals including 1978:

http://www.rsssf.com/tablesi/iran-intres.html

NZ played only club sides in that Presidents Cup in Korea: "PAS Tehran FC" from Iran, "FAR Rabat" from Morocco and Eintracht Frankfurt u-21 as proved by the link I supplied above to the RSSSF.

Clubs used to enter these competitions like the Presidents Cup as "representing their country" but were not national teams at all.

Here is that President's Cup 1978 on Wikipedia with all the results and it confirms what I've been saying:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_President's_Cup_Football_Tournament

NZ were in Group B and here are the teams and results:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_President's_Cup_Football_Tournament#Group_B

TeamPldWDLGFGAGDPts

PAS Tehran	3	3	0	0	7	2	+5	6
FAR Rabat	3	1	1	1	4	3	+1	3
New Zealand	3	1	0	2	4	5	−1	2
Eintracht Frankfurt	3	0	1	2	2	7	−5	1

President's Cup 1978 at RSSSF:

http://www.rsssf.com/tabless/skor-pres78.html

Wasn't Dave Taylor and/or Brian Turner 16 or 17 when they debuted for NZ in the late 60s? Where's Jeremy Ruane when you need him?

Where's Russell Gray when you need him. As a writer he might remember.

I trust Big Pete myself. The dude knows his stuff, or at least is good at giving the impression that he does.

I'm only proposing Ceri Evans because he's from my football-following lifespan. And I've followed the teams he's played for since his Nelson United national league debut. And I see him around at local games in Christchurch (his teenage son Oscar plays for my local club, Chatham Cup-holders Cashmere Technical) It's far from authorative!!! Could be someone younger but no one's provided one yet!!

But can rule out Brian Turner:

Brian Turner was 18 years 3 months old on his A-international debut:

Brian Turner (Wiki):Date of birth: July 1949

Don't know about Dave Taylor - can't find his birth date but he made his full debut as a sub vs. South Vietnam 10/11/67 in Saigon.

Another young 'un:

Chris Wood (Wiki): 

The most interesting thing I've learned from this thread is how many games the AWs played leading up to the '82 WC qualifiers. No wonder the '82 squad did so well. Even if you exclude the non "A" matches it's impressive, and makes recent WC qualifier preparations look pitiful.

Thanks for the info and links Big Pete.

So how old were you Leggy? Against who and when?

So we really only need Pete! Great work thank you

I love how this thread I started two years ago has only now gained some legs. Leggy are you an ex AW?

Dave Taylor and the All Whites played a game in Saigon during the Vietnam war? Didn't know that.

Here it is: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9382607/All-Whites-Vietnam-War-blast-from-the-past

I believe there was also an article in an edition of The Blizzard in the last year from the point of view of the Australians.

Incidentally, the article linked above claims that Taylor was 16 at the time.

Cheers guys. Will read it now.

^^ Jealousy

NZ Herlad. Love it! Grauniad eat yr heart out!

I did read it. Artilliary going off next to the ground. Turner as a 17 year old must've wondered wtf. And a good dose of some lical sto ach upset to boot.

Dave Taylor is listed on several international football websites and has a Wikipedia entry but none have his date of birth.

However, some online detective work uncovered this match report from Jeremy Ruane which has Taylor playing for Mount Albert - Ponsonby v Manurewa in the Smokefree Superclub Northern Region Championship on 25 June 1995 aged 44:

 http://www.ultimatenzsoccer.com/id1019.htm

"Pulling the strings was the young-at-heart Dave Taylor. Now aged 44, the former New Zealand international turned back the clock to demonstrate the art of making the ball do the work..."

Aged 44 in June 1995, means he was born in 1950 (after 25 June some time) or 1951 (before 25 June)

Leggy has stated on this thread that Taylor was born in 1950.

Considering he made his All Whites debut on 10/11/67 that means he was anything from 17 years and four and a half months old to 16 years and 11 months if born in December 1950.

All hinges on when he was born between June 25 1950 and June 25 1951. 

Could well have been only 16 on his debut making him the youngest full All Whites debutant we know of.