ASB Premiership: Changes Needed Next Season

WeeNix
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Hello there. I agree that Central United's ethnic base has brought a lot of pride and passion to its club. They have astutely marshalled that resource to work their way through the football hierarchy to compete at top level.

And that might be the best template for South Auckland. If they have this big reservoir of support, pick a club and employ it to create a track record which can then justify a team's inclusion at top level on football grounds (as opposed to what happens off the pitch).

A track record of achievement is usually the best barometer in the long run. It shows people know how to operate.



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Hello there. I agree that Central United's ethnic base has brought a lot of pride and passion to its club. They have astutely marshalled that resource to work their way through the football hierarchy to compete at top level.

And that might be the best template for South Auckland. If they have this big reservoir of support, pick a club and employ it to create a track record which can then justify a team's inclusion at top level on football grounds (as opposed to what happens off the pitch).

A track record of achievement is usually the best barometer in the long run. It shows people know how to operate.



Couldn't agree more Bruce! Last time I watched a Fijian side play at Bill McKinley Park in East Auckland there was a boisterious crowd of a couple of thousand, nearly all Fijian Indians of which Auckland has a big population. The food stand even served delicious curry and rice rather than lame hot dogs. Imagine that in the ASBP.

Lots of Kiwi football supporters enjoy the atmosphere at Kiwitea Street because of the passion. There's nothing worse than a small crowd who just sit there and hardly make any noise.

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If anything, there ought to be a North Shore/Hibiscus Coast team.

I can see something based around East Coast Bays or perhaps Glenfield Rovers.  There is still passion for the game in Birkenhead, Nth Shore(Devonport), Takapuna and Albany.

There is the matter of a stand.   The large bank next to Rovers is a 'cut-away' from the original hill and would need significant numbers of piles to stabilise it for a stand.  The west side of ECB might take a small 'low rise' stand,; nothing fancy.  It might involve a levy at a local level or a chat about getting on the pokey money.  Jeez, it always comes back to money.

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So, you are saying that this Fijian supporter base will turn up to watch a team full of mainly Kiwis playing in the ASBP? From the example that Trueblue cited, the games at Bill McKinley Park comprised of a team of Fijian footballers - doing what for NZ football? I also don't put Central/ACFC in the same category - aren't those teams full of Kiwis who are eligible to play for NZ? I've read on here often enough how the majority of those teams are NZ raised etc. In my view, any decision on who to admit to an expanded league needs to be based on football and how it will improve the NZ game, not because I could get a vindaloo or Hungarian goulash at halftime at the tuck shop..

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 not because I could get a vindaloo or Hungarian goulash at halftime at the tuck shop..


If there's goulash being served at football grounds in New Zealand, I need to know where they are.
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el grapadura wrote:

 not because I could get a vindaloo or Hungarian goulash at halftime at the tuck shop..


If there's goulash being served at football grounds in New Zealand, I need to know where they are.

 

i can hear them trying to hide as I type....

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el grapadura wrote:

 not because I could get a vindaloo or Hungarian goulash at halftime at the tuck shop..


If there's goulash being served at football grounds in New Zealand, I need to know where they are.


+1
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FU BLU wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

 not because I could get a vindaloo or Hungarian goulash at halftime at the tuck shop..


If there's goulash being served at football grounds in New Zealand, I need to know where they are.

 

i can hear them trying to hide as I type....


I could destroy a few of these...

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So, you are saying that this Fijian supporter base will turn up to watch a team full of mainly Kiwis playing in the ASBP? From the example that Trueblue cited, the games at Bill McKinley Park comprised of a team of Fijian footballers - doing what for NZ football? I also don't put Central/ACFC in the same category - aren't those teams full of Kiwis who are eligible to play for NZ? I've read on here often enough how the majority of those teams are NZ raised etc. In my view, any decision on who to admit to an expanded league needs to be based on football and how it will improve the NZ game, not because I could get a vindaloo or Hungarian goulash at halftime at the tuck shop..

What I'm saying is a team from South Auckland that taps into the enthusiastic Fijian football supporters there will have a solid base to build on. I understand Bill McKinley Park is booked out most of the season by ethnic teams. They are now New Zealanders, albeit from football mad countries around the world, we must exploit that. The team could bring in a couple of good Fijian players to supplement Kiwi players, even target Krishna, to hold that interest.

ACFC has always had a core of Croatian/NZ players like Ivan Vicelich, Danko and Paul Urlovich and that hasn't stopped a host of exciting NZ talent rising through the ranks as well. Currently we have a bent for Spanish players because of the coach but the core Croatian identity has always been the bedrock of Central/ACFC. I'm a kiwi and I love their passion and dedication, that's why I've always enjoyed the atmosphere at Kiwitea Street.

A South Auckland team would need to likewise tap into its large Pacific Island population. Likewise a team from north shore would need to find a way to attract supporters from its large population of Asians, particularly Koreans, who love football.

If we look at the ASBP, the truth is most ordinary NZers are not turning out to watch local football. We have tremendous numbers of kids playing football, but somehow that doesn't translate into interest in the national league, where the average gate is in the 200-300 range. Even the Phoenix struggle beyond the YF diehards when they're not winning. Somehow we have to tap into the hundreds of thousands of immigrants who come from countries where football is king, not rugby.

If that means a couple more ethnic based teams in the ASBP then the more the merrier. ACFC is the proof it works.

PS - it would do wonders to improve the food served, if nothing else!

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Trueblue wrote:

So, you are saying that this Fijian supporter base will turn up to watch a team full of mainly Kiwis playing in the ASBP? From the example that Trueblue cited, the games at Bill McKinley Park comprised of a team of Fijian footballers - doing what for NZ football? I also don't put Central/ACFC in the same category - aren't those teams full of Kiwis who are eligible to play for NZ? I've read on here often enough how the majority of those teams are NZ raised etc. In my view, any decision on who to admit to an expanded league needs to be based on football and how it will improve the NZ game, not because I could get a vindaloo or Hungarian goulash at halftime at the tuck shop..

What I'm saying is a team from South Auckland that taps into the enthusiastic Fijian football supporters there will have a solid base to build on. I understand Bill McKinley Park is booked out most of the season by ethnic teams. They are now New Zealanders, albeit from football mad countries around the world, we must exploit that. The team could bring in a couple of good Fijian players to supplement Kiwi players, even target Krishna, to hold that interest.

ACFC has always had a core of Croatian/NZ players like Ivan Vicelich, Danko and Paul Urlovich and that hasn't stopped a host of exciting NZ talent rising through the ranks as well. Currently we have a bent for Spanish players because of the coach but the core Croatian identity has always been the bedrock of Central/ACFC. I'm a kiwi and I love their passion and dedication, that's why I've always enjoyed the atmosphere at Kiwitea Street.

A South Auckland team would need to likewise tap into its large Pacific Island population. Likewise a team from north shore would need to find a way to attract supporters from its large population of Asians, particularly Koreans, who love football.

If we look at the ASBP, the truth is most ordinary NZers are not turning out to watch local football. We have tremendous numbers of kids playing football, but somehow that doesn't translate into interest in the national league, where the average gate is in the 200-300 range. Even the Phoenix struggle beyond the YF diehards when they're not winning. Somehow we have to tap into the hundreds of thousands of immigrants who come from countries where football is king, not rugby.

If that means a couple more ethnic based teams in the ASBP then the more the merrier. ACFC is the proof it works.

PS - it would do wonders to improve the food served, if nothing else!

 

Waitakerie v Auckland City this coming Sunday at Fred Taylor : expect great football - & crap food.

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Waitakerie v Auckland City this coming Sunday at Fred Taylor : expect great football - & crap food.

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Pay money.... Stand in a paddock ...Bring Tourists !!

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Must admit, I am getting addicted to those steak rolls at Kiwitea Street, with the hot onions and sauce.  Now if we could have a tub of goulash, mmm.  Ah, but I am a Kiwi, so sausage and chips, it where my loyalty lies.

See you all at the Paddock.  Now where are my gumboots.

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Do they do the cevapi at Kiwitea Street?

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edward l wrote:

Must admit, I am getting addicted to those steak rolls at Kiwitea Street, with the hot onions and sauce.  Now if we could have a tub of goulash, mmm.  Ah, but I am a Kiwi, so sausage and chips, it where my loyalty lies.

See you all at the Paddock.  Now where are my gumboots.

Not to forget your umbrella as well Ed. Perhaps the away supporters should take their own covered stand, after all this is a Fifa O League match.

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el grapadura wrote:

Do they do the cevapi at Kiwitea Street?

It has been known, also tasted a great palacinke (crepe) and povitica. Even the fresh figs are worth a trip to Sandringham..

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Trueblue wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Do they do the cevapi at Kiwitea Street?

It has been known, also tasted a great palacinke (crepe) and povitica. Even the fresh figs are worth a trip to Sandringham..


Oh, you've just sold it to me.
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You're beginning to sell the Fijian United idea to me. Kava and marinated fish mmmmm

WeeNix
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Trueblue wrote:

They are now New Zealanders, albeit from football mad countries around the world, we must exploit that. 


This is an interesting point. If  you take into account where the population of Auckland comes from plus the popularity and standard of football in those countries then ACFC is probably a reasonably fair representation of Auckland.
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Perhaps  a "Cuisine Cup  " ?

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alireggae wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

They are now New Zealanders, albeit from football mad countries around the world, we must exploit that. 


This is an interesting point. If  you take into account where the population of Auckland comes from plus the popularity and standard of football in those countries then ACFC is probably a reasonably fair representation of Auckland.
1 in 4 of your team are Asian? Hmmm.... Also don't see many PI footballers...
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Jeff Vader wrote:

alireggae wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

They are now New Zealanders, albeit from football mad countries around the world, we must exploit that. 


This is an interesting point. If  you take into account where the population of Auckland comes from plus the popularity and standard of football in those countries then ACFC is probably a reasonably fair representation of Auckland.

1 in 4 of your team are Asian? Hmmm.... Also don't see many PI footballers...

some have trouble parking , some are required to work for the community on weekends...

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FU BLU wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

alireggae wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

They are now New Zealanders, albeit from football mad countries around the world, we must exploit that. 


This is an interesting point. If  you take into account where the population of Auckland comes from plus the popularity and standard of football in those countries then ACFC is probably a reasonably fair representation of Auckland.

1 in 4 of your team are Asian? Hmmm.... Also don't see many PI footballers...

some have trouble parking , some are required to work for the community on weekends...


Unfunny!
WeeNix
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Jeff Vader wrote:

 Also don't see many PI footballers...



I did say take into consideration the popularity of football in those countries... We have David Browne.

WeeNix
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alireggae wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

 Also don't see many PI footballers...



I did say take into consideration the popularity of football in those countries... We have David Browne.


And Taku. It's only something to think about but their also not going to pick crap players just to be fair. They wouldn't pick me to replace Stuart Kelly... Haha!
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alireggae wrote:

alireggae wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

 Also don't see many PI footballers...



I did say take into consideration the popularity of football in those countries... We have David Browne.


And Taku. It's only something to think about but their also not going to pick crap players just to be fair. They wouldn't pick me to replace Stuart Kelly... Haha!

 

You do your bit dancing jigs in the stand. Thank god you don't wear a kilt.

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alireggae wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

 Also don't see many PI footballers...



I did say take into consideration the popularity of football in those countries... We have David Browne.

 Football is very popular in the Islands and in Asia. I just asked the question, you made the dangerous statement... 

WeeNix
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Jeff Vader wrote:

alireggae wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

 Also don't see many PI footballers...



I did say take into consideration the popularity of football in those countries... We have David Browne.

 Football is very popular in the Islands and in Asia. I just asked the question, you made the dangerous statement... 


Probably not good enough.

I like to live dangerously.

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alireggae wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

alireggae wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

 Also don't see many PI footballers...



I did say take into consideration the popularity of football in those countries... We have David Browne.

 Football is very popular in the Islands and in Asia. I just asked the question, you made the dangerous statement... 


Probably not good enough.

I like to live dangerously.

So not really representative of Auckland then...
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so apparently our national youth team are joining the asb prem

just shoot me now

it's good for the team, no doubt, but all credibility will be stripped out of an already strugglig league

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Our league had credibility?

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Here is the link to the story in te NZ Herald about the NZ Under 17 side maybe playing in the ASB Premiership.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10875944

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Under 20's I can understand, kind of, but the under 17's would get absolutely killed, it'd definitely make a mockery of some aspects of the league.

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N-Bomb wrote:

Under 20's I can understand, kind of, but the under 17's would get absolutely killed, it'd definitely make a mockery of some aspects of the league.

 

Yes and would have an big impact on the National Youth League as well.

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N-Bomb wrote:

Under 20's I can understand, kind of, but the under 17's would get absolutely killed, it'd definitely make a mockery of some aspects of the league.


from what i read it is the U20's or junior all whites who are being considered - not the U17's.  they mention them only in reference to them being in the youth league this year.
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chopah wrote:

N-Bomb wrote:

Under 20's I can understand, kind of, but the under 17's would get absolutely killed, it'd definitely make a mockery of some aspects of the league.


from what i read it is the U20's or junior all whites who are being considered - not the U17's.  they mention them only in reference to them being in the youth league this year.
The team is going to be the under 20s of 2015 isn't it? So next season, eligible players for that team will be 18/19 won't they?
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I think it is another bad decision by NZF. Even if it's the Under 20 All Whites it will dilute the other ASBP sides of good young Kiwi players and makes a mockery of the competition. What say this AW side wins the ASBP title, do they compete in the O League, could they in fact be eligible? If NZF is paying the costs of this Under 20 AW team to compete in the ASBP, isn't that unfair on the other struggling franchises who have to stump up $65,000 to enter?

I'd rather whatever money NZF has decided to invest in this AW team is provided as prizemoney for the ASBP so the top sides can recoup some of their considerable investment. 

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i think the idea is ok but they shouldn't be in the league - they should play everyone but shouldn't be eligable to gain points - best case for everyone.

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Just have them play nix reserves weekly.

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I think having the full NZ-Under 20's squad playing full competititive seasons in the ASB until the start of the Under-20 World Cup is a fantastic idea. Of course they couldn't qualify for the O-League. But what's the problem with that?

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