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Posted May 28, 2014 07:54 · last edited May 28, 2014 08:35

Jeff Vader wrote:

That's a good post Marto and I can't disagree with much you have said.

I think the one thing that stands out for me is that in the early years of the comp (and I think I am talking the 1st 3) there was some interest from NZF in running this properly but as you said, they had a complete donut in Glyn Taylor running it.

A 12 team league.... Its a great idea but then you have debate about where you go to and can those areas that will be suggested finance it AND sustain it. That's the key - you have to be able to sustain a team there financially and also from a cattle perspective (although good players will migrate to a region) With the current 7 (and I'll leave out Wanderers) you go back into PN, you would look at a 3rd team in Auckland, 1 in Nelson and then the last 2... do you look at Tauranga, New Plymouth, Gisbourne, Wellington, Christchurch? If you give one to the Phoenix and one to Wanderers, then that's your 12 team league.... Auckland has the cattle and would probably be able to sustain another league, Nelson has had their hand up for a while and everyone went ape-shit about YHM getting dumped despite no cash and getting whumped most weeks but they have history. The Phoenix pay for themselves and Wanderers is the NZF 'development vehicle and stepping stone for young players'

Sounds easy when written down but the execution is far tougher I am sure.



Thanks for say Glyn's name, I couldn't remember it. I used to talk to him daily as the Knights and NZF management had free membership to the gym I worked at.  I very quickly realised he wasn't up to it at all (he wasn't the only one from both bodies I'd put in that category either).

Anyway, I think realistically only Wellington (Nix and Team Wellington) and Auckland can support more then one top level side.  I forgot Gisbourne but is there still the interest in the region like there was in the 80s?  I think New Plymouth is a lost cause.  I don't agree with Waikato and Bay of Plenty being grouped together. 

Hamilton is NZs third largest city and Tauranga/Mt. M is the fourth.  When we throw Rotorua in there too that's a very big population base.  There really needs to be BoP and Waikato teams and not this current WaiBop rubbish.  I'm aware that its being well run at board level now by the confederation but has there been buy-in from traditional Waikato and BoP fans?

I think YHM has had the rug pulled from under its feet by certain clubs in the Wairarapa region.

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Marto edited May 28, 2014 08:35
Jeff Vader wrote:

That's a good post Marto and I can't disagree with much you have said.

I think the one thing that stands out for me is that in the early years of the comp (and I think I am talking the 1st 3) there was some interest from NZF in running this properly but as you said, they had a complete donut in Glyn Taylor running it.

A 12 team league.... Its a great idea but then you have debate about where you go to and can those areas that will be suggested finance it AND sustain it. That's the key - you have to be able to sustain a team there financially and also from a cattle perspective (although good players will migrate to a region) With the current 7 (and I'll leave out Wanderers) you go back into PN, you would look at a 3rd team in Auckland, 1 in Nelson and then the last 2... do you look at Tauranga, New Plymouth, Gisbourne, Wellington, Christchurch? If you give one to the Phoenix and one to Wanderers, then that's your 12 team league.... Auckland has the cattle and would probably be able to sustain another league, Nelson has had their hand up for a while and everyone went ape-shit about YHM getting dumped despite no cash and getting whumped most weeks but they have history. The Phoenix pay for themselves and Wanderers is the NZF 'development vehicle and stepping stone for young players'

Sounds easy when written down but the execution is far tougher I am sure.



Thanks for say Glyn's name, I couldn't remember it. I used to talk to him daily as the Knights and NZF management had free membership to the gym I worked at.  I very quickly realised he wasn't up to it at all (he wasn't the only one from both bodies I'd put in that category either).

Anyway, I think realistically only Wellington (Nix and Team Wellington) and Auckland can support more then one top level side.  I forgot Gisbourne but is there still the interest in the region like there was in the 80s?  I think New Plymouth is a lost cause.  I don't agree with Waikato and Bay of Plenty being grouped together.  Hamilton is NZs third largest city and Tauranga/Mt. M is the fourth.  When we throw Rotorua in there too that's a very big population base.  There really needs to be BoP and Waikato teams.

I think YHM has had the rug pulled from under its feet by certain clubs in the Wairarapa region.