Canterbury United

if this is true what an absolute joke! reason CU have been so poor over last 3 years is because of the bloody imports/out of towners. maybe time for not only new coach but new board too clearly go against everything they say! also what they telling locals is that unless you play for cash tech your not going to get selected total BS

Whats the picture trying to be portrayed to Chch based footballers when you have a guy hitting in 24 goals at over a goal per game in the highest level in the region and a guy who in the next level down hitting 48 at over 2 goals per game not even being looked at by the sounds of it. Yes div1 is completely different to mpl and ASBprem, but regardless of the level if you can do that then perhaps worth looking at. 

These guys coming in from outside chch, any ideas on whether they are nz based players (who MAYBE arent good enough for their own ASB prem teams) or are they from overseas, in which case have they been given the map to Garrick Park and told their car will be in the car park waiting?

I know coaches are employed to win and let them pick their teams, but anecdotally you hear of chch based kids struggling to be recognised nationally so why not take a bit of pain for a couple of seasons and pick only local based players. Supporters will identify with them, the players identify with the region and you canget local based players being seen nationally.  e

Heard this before but yet to be based on any facts. Last season not all the local based players played for Technical - players from Bays, Coastal, Nomads, Western. Of the players named for this season, Coastal, Halswell, Western, Suburbs as well as Tech and likely to be players from Bays as well. 

If you are talking about White and Ede it has been said on this forum that neither want to play for the Dragons. How accurate that is I don't know or if it applies to this summer. 

The CTFC thing is surely past it's use by date? The complaint with them was grabbing players after Dragons selection. 

to my knowledge the only player that came to Tech after asb in the past few years is Ash and Chris who had already signed before he went to the dragons.

What about the players we brought out that went on to the dragons or players that played thier way into the dragons. I think it's just a Coastal complaint, we don't complain about the players we get into the youth squad , then for coastal to grab them afterwards but that's football and you then work on the next lot , anyway foal what's your views on your youth policy working with Steve Ager playing for the first team 

As an out of towner, I think its hard to rag on the out of town coach when your better locals don't want to stand. I recall Brownie saying it was not the right time, Halligan saying been there done that and Keith stepped down with his assistant whom had done the time with the team (Devine) taking over.

So the question is, if the likes of Willy and Sean are not right, whom are the coaches that are in CHR, are good enough, put their hand up, and got turned down. Devine is not much but Willy is a good coach so there they would have to be bloody good to feel unjustified as missing out and those that are, didn't put their names in.

Also, would a local coach necessarily picked all local players? I think there is a bit more to it that just 'out of town coaches pick out of town players' Again, I am not familiar with the football landscape down there but there are names that get bandied about on this thread as being a player that should definitely be picked and then someone else saying that he does not want to play summer football. Perhaps there are some players that the fanbase feel should be there, are just not interested in all year round football and that forces coaches to go out of town? The argument against that will be to develop local players and give them a chance and thats a fair point but then, do you want to be winners or also rans. It seems that there is no appetite for being also rans after the success of Keith so its hard to get it both ways.

Have never said I don't want to play. Just to clear that up 

So the Dragons have a new coach. Will that make me go and watch? No. Will a local team with local players putting it's all on the nose on  the pitch get me along ? Yes. Seems from what is doing the rounds on here and in Chch Willy has got a local doing his looking and ringing of players. 

Has Willy been to watch games other than CTFC, does he have any idea who players are? My guess is a big NO to both. We don't need a score of outside players to make a good enough team if the coach is of a decent standard.  How many outside of Mainland PL players did Keith have in his first year?

If he and his cohorts get in a load of outers and they are crap don't expect punters at the games.

Good coaches source local players and coach them and the team to be better, other coaches go looking for an out of town nobody who turns out rubbish then blame the lack of talent.

What coach have the Dragons got?

Yeah but then by the same token, look at TW under various good coaches that were 'poor' for a few years early on.

The answer is simply not 'get locals and coach them proper'. If it was that simple, then surely every game would be well contested, end invariably in a draw and we would rave about the quality of the league. If the calibre of your local talent is not good enough, it doesn't matter who coaches them. Hence the second part of my question - do you want to be winners or also rans?

Can someone tell me who gives the advice and what guys are told if they are coming from overseas as to what club to play for in chch? This new guy Gary Ogilvie was playing for Cash Tech a couple of weeks ago for their reserve team.must have just arrived into country. I know from afar that obviously they would stand head and shoulders above anyone else, but I also know if you are brought over by Canty Utd then you will get picked regardless so what does it matter who you play for in mpl? 

#EddietheBrazilianEagle

"Will not respond to private messages" 

Make it public then, post it to their page.

Brock Messenger is over rated.

Reuben on the other hand is a decent keeper. - great signing

Thanks mate.

I can honestly say Brock is very good .....

Rubén is doing well at Napier and deserves a shot lack of height is a prob for him.

I can honestly say what waste of time this is. if these guys are this good why do they need to play for Canterbury?

Does this feel like déjà vu to any one else? Maybe it's worse than that? Happy to be surprised by better results!

2014, a hand full of average players that Auckland, Waitakere, WaiBop and Hawkes Bay don't want, come down and either don't last the season or prove to be worse than the local players they are keeping out of the team.

2015, let's learn from our mistakes and bring down 2 hand fulls of average? What a waste of money! How about negotiating fairly and properly with the good players that are already here? This new coach is going to have to be good to make this work! Not so much pressure on him though, quite a bit on the board who have put more eggs in last years holey basket. Must be a lot of fingers and toes crossed somewhere!

Could be a good turn out at their postponed AGM in October! They need to answer some big questions for  the Canterbury Football community.

Their owners!

Lots of information floating around regarding Canterbury United.

The board have 90k in the bank with the best local players that are being selected offered $500 for the season,then we have out of town players coming in using the finances.

Surely this is back to front??!

The best local performers in Christchurch should have the budget used on them! Why would the best Canterbury players even bother playing??

I for one will rarely go to a Canterbury games this season when i am back in town based on this sort of information!

Not sure how accurate the plans for a rumored 30 game season national league next year are?

why do they need to be paid in an amateur league?

Who mentioned paid? I am sure it is expenses just like Auckland City pay expenses to the host of foreighn players they have brought in over the years

So how can you be offered "expenses" up front when there is no idea of what those "expenses" will be.

He should be a big step up from last season's imports - actually he won the Guatemalan Second Division and then played two seasons in their top league, including one second place finish.

I'm thinking that the Guatemalan Primera Division, being fully professional and in a football-mad country with 16 million people, would be somewhat better than the ASB Premiership.

Juan was also an outstanding US college player who won many awards:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Chang

In 2006 he was named fourth best freshman in all of US college soccer and was also named to the First Team All Conference in the Mid-Conference in his junior and sophomore years.

He was scouted from the Guatemalan Primera Division to play in the Catalan league in Spain as a pro. The same league that Ramon at Auckland City used to play and coach in.

12 goals in 17 games for Western Suburbs in this year's Central League, a tougher league than the Mainland Premier League.

Payment of actual expenses does not qualify a league as semi-professional.   Check the definitions.

It is a well known fact that apart from the Phoenix in the A League, we only have amateur teams playing in amateur leagues in NZ

'Coaching'

Sounds like there will be a sound majority of Mainland Football players in the Canterbury United squad:

http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/canterbury-united-signs-u20-world-cup-star-brock-messenger/

Gerdsen says that the franchise will trial a large number of local players when preseason training starts on September 29. “We are pleased how the squad is shaping up, but there are still five or six slots, preferably Christchurch based players, to be added to our squad to provide even more depth and quality to be able to challenge for the top positions in the league. It is envisaged after selecting some of these trialists there will be near to 80% of ASB Premiership squad that are from within the Mainland Football federation catchment."

Not approaching Stu Kelly seems a strange one though.

Word I heard at the English Cup final last Saturday was that Michael White isn't interested in playing ASB Premiership.

There seem to be a lot of top local players not available this season.

There must be a reason that Willie didn’t select you.

Willie is demanding but very well respected because he is very honest and straightforward- ask the ECB and NZ players. His teams always will play a good brand of football.

The local players are not available because they don’t want to train 4x the week.

A chance to see if new Canty Utd signings goalie Ruben Parker and striker Angus Kilkolly are any good in the live stream of the Chatham Cup Final at 2.20 pm today.

Line-ups:

https://www.facebook.com/AllWhites/photos/pcb.10153835908337697/10153835906587697/?type=1&theatre

Live stream:

http://livestream.com/i-filmsport/ASBChathamCupFinal2015

Napier City Rovers have two former Canty Utd players in Bill Robertson and Miles John as well.

Kilkolly was the highest scorer in the Central League this season (fellow Canty Utd recruit Juan Chang was the second-highest scorer) 

Jog on.

I backing Willy to rise to the occasion.

After watching the Chatham Cup Final online, it's a shame that Canterbury United seem to have lost midfielder Miles John ,who was named MVP of the final, despite his side losing.

He had a great game and was Napier's most potent attacking weapon.

New Canterbury recruit, striker Angus Kilkolly didn't do much of note.

New Canterbury goalkeeper Rubin Parker looked competent but wasn't outstanding.  

We have all lost mid-fielder Miles John - he flies home tomorrow.   Great Club favourite (supporters player of the year).   Great attitude and popular with the kids when involved in coaching.   Will be missed.

Canterbury to sign Andre de Jong

http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/andre-de-jong-signs-fo...