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Implications for OFC if Kossa win

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Implications for OFC if Kossa win
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Dear All,
 
What do you think will be the wider implications for the OFC if Kossa win over the two legs? Terry Maddaford seems to think that it would be great for the OFC and that FIFA would be pleased...
 
However my first thought when I heard the result in Honiara was "another step in the death of the OFC", for the reason that if Kossa turn up at the club world champs they will be trounced as well and that will be all Sepp Blatter would need to pull the OFC's spot.
 
Considering the general situation in the Solomons and liklihood of corruption I can't see any CWC prize money ending up benefitting Solomons football either, unless it gets spent via the FIFA Development office.
 
What do you guys think? Would it be a boost or a nail in the coffin of the OFC?
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I thought we wanted the Island nations to develop? If Kossa make it they fully deserve it and who's to say they'll do any worse than Waitak?

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Absolutely.  The battle was lost as soon as the Phoenix were denied entry.
 
 

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As a fan of NZ football first and foremost I would regard it as a big kick up the arse for the game here. The Island nations - most of them anyway - have been making great strides ahead in the last decade or so and we've had warnings before that this was going to happen one day (AWs vs Vanuatu anyone?).
The main concern I would have is that Kossa wouldn't have the discipline to do themselves justice at the tournament and if they conceded early their game would go to pieces, with players being sent off left, right and centre.
Having said that, they still have to qualify and as I've mentioned previously the island nations don't travel well. It'll be cold and probably wet here and it's not like Waitak have to overhaul an enormous deficit. I still think WCFC will go through, can't wait for the return leg. It's on Mothers Day so the old dear will have to make do with just a phone call. She knows the deal.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah, my comment was a touch off.  I do hope that Waitak come through this week.
 
Is ther any tele coverage?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
It's a wooden spoon either way.



I thought this was an O-League thread not predictions for Phoenix upcoming season
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I would reply, but nothing I say could make you look more stupid than your own efforts.  Feel free to try some reasoned posting and people will debate it with you.

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If Kossa win in Auckland then they deserve to go..

3-1 (hope that was the score) was not what i was expecting to hear when i woke up and checked Sunday morning at all.

Waitak should be able to get 2 goals at home though...

The best team will win.
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TheJam wrote:
As a fan of NZ football first and foremost I would regard it as a big kick up the arse for the game here. The Island nations - most of them anyway - have been making great strides ahead in the last decade or so and we've had warnings before that this was going to happen one day (AWs vs Vanuatu anyone?).
The main concern I would have is that Kossa wouldn't have the discipline to do themselves justice at the tournament and if they conceded early their game would go to pieces, with players being sent off left, right and centre.
Having said that, they still have to qualify and as I've mentioned previously the island nations don't travel well. It'll be cold and probably wet here and it's not like Waitak have to overhaul an enormous deficit. I still think WCFC will go through, can't wait for the return leg. It's on Mothers Day so the old dear will have to make do with just a phone call. She knows the deal.
 
I think it only fair to mention the reverse applied in the islands...and if you've ever had to take a 5 minute walk to the shop in killer humidity and heat (it was 31 degrees apparently) you'll understand how difficult it is to play a 90 minute football game...
 
as for the great strides thing...well Allan Pearce and Koprovic aside...two of the top strikers of the league of the past to seasons have been Menpai and Totori..and they were the ones playing for the NZFC side so...
 
yeh be interesting to wait and see...


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reg22 wrote:
Absolutely.  The battle was lost as soon as the Phoenix were denied entry.
 
 

Pretty much.

The problem is that even if Kossa get though it's way too early to tell if that's evidence of a real, sustained improvement in standards in the islands or not. And even if it was, will FIFA have the patience to wait for Oceania to get its act together?

The only upside of Waitakere not going through is that it will force NZFC franchises to swallow the financial hit earlier than they would have to otherwise (when FIFA inevitably pull the plug on Oceania representation at the CWC) which might be a good thing. It might also force the franchises to confront the prize-money allocation issue so that if NZ teams do get back to the CWC in the future any money won is distributed much more evenly in order to develop the NZFC as a whole (perhaps even spent centrally on marketing, promotion, TV broadcasts etc?).
 
 
But it's really hard to see any silver lining

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I agree with MartinB - take a walk at 2pm in the islands one day and then when you are struggling to get a breath, start running. I lived in New Caledonia for 6 months and the heat and humidity was intense at times. If they are right and it was 31 deg and high humidity then Waitak are probably lucky they didnt have a serious medical issue.

Going to be interesting and I for one, for the first time ever, will be cheering for Waitakere as I want a NZ team to get the money and to attend the WCC.
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If Kossa win, it might give the island sides some more credibility, other than just being "cannon fodder for NZ to beat". Hardly anyone showed up for the AW's vs Vanuatu. Apart from the total clusterf**k on NZF's behalf (time/date/absolutely no marketing) low numbers could very well be attributed to the lack of credibility Island teams have. Fix that and we could have more people watching OFC qualifiers, meaning more people cheering for NZ, meaning more people watching and supporting full stop.
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I was referring to the 4-2 loss to Vanuatu under Mick Waitt-ing for the sack.
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This topic and 'go kossa' is very amusing. The normal windup NZFC v Phoenix. Phoenix's right for automatic entry/money and Auckland v Waitakere hate relationship. Same old same old.
 
All this bullsh*te about the importance of NZF getting US500k.
Yes, the money is REALLY important but what did NZF do with its share? Not one cent spent on promotion of NZFC but plenty of dollars available for Ceo's overseas trips. What's his payout? How many kid's subs will that take.
Someone/anyone give me a break down of how our two Auckland Clubs have used their winnings to advance the game of football within our shores.
If they haven't then good luck to Kossa and especially Reg.
 
Fact.
When ACFC represented this part of the World at the WCC our NZF Ceo and chairman were at the game and couldn't be bothered looking in on the team to wish them well. I suppose when you've got your snouts so deep in the trough it's hard to breathe.
 
Fact.
When Waitakere were our representatives the following year their unprofessional-ism embarrassed their hosts. Rex taking six of his mates instead of backroom staff and players hardly went unnoticed. Hotel staff still receiving counseling after witnessing bare arsed drunk fat westie locked out of his room.
 
Possible fact.
Is Waitakere the Phoenix in disguise for this years campaign. If Waitakere get past Kossa there's talk of a player transfer for a share of the spoils. Got tricky Rex all over it.  After 'costs' nothing left for the rest of the NZFC Clubs.
 
Spud2008-04-29 21:17:11
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Spud wrote:
 
Possible fact.
Is Waitakere the Phoenix in disguise for this years campaign. If Waitakere get past Kossa there's talk of a player transfer for a share of the spoils. Got tricky Rex all over it.  After 'costs' nothing left for the rest of the NZFC Clubs.


Would you care to elaborate on that? I know its a bit hearsay and you obviously have an inside word.... What are you trying to say in real terms?

You've put half the can of food out there, may as well put the other half out and feed us totally...
Agent 472008-04-29 21:27:52
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Agent 47 wrote:
Spud wrote:
 
Possible fact.
Is Waitakere the Phoenix in disguise for this years campaign. If Waitakere get past Kossa there's talk of a player transfer for a share of the spoils. Got tricky Rex all over it.  After 'costs' nothing left for the rest of the NZFC Clubs.


Would you care to elaborate on that? I know its a bit hearsay and you obviously have an inside word.... What are you trying to say in real terms?

You've put half the can of food out there, may as well put the other half out and feed us totally...
 
Yes it is hearsay. All gossip and rumour has a source and reason, if only to find the truth.
I will say though, if it's allowed under Oceania rules re player eligibility it will be at least a 60/40 but  more like 70/30 pro Phoenix mix provided Waitakere get past Kossa.
 
Question.
Is Waitakere so arrogant  NO one from the coaching staff checked Kossa out or feel the need to arrive a good number of days early to acclimatise?
Then again as all past defeated sides use the heat/humidity as an excuse?
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I would be intrigued as to how that would work.

If the tournament is in December then the players need an international transfer and that has stand down periods involved to stop this very thing happening (signing players to stack sides). It would also happen within the A-league season and you can bet the Phoenix wouldn't allow players away for that...
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I wonder what Fred De Jong would think of this?
 
Kossa are prob staying in a caravan park and will blow out anyway
 

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Agent 47 wrote:
I would be intrigued as to how that would work.

If the tournament is in December then the players need an international transfer and that has stand down periods involved to stop this very thing happening (signing players to stack sides). It would also happen within the A-league season and you can bet the Phoenix wouldn't allow players away for that...
 
All I can say and what I witnessed/heard before during and after the O'League match between City and Waitakere points to this bizarre scenario happening. Wasn't ALL smiles and celebrations for every Waitakere player that night.
 
All the important Phoenix personnel were there. Everyone and I mean everyone wined and dined by Rex on cans of Carlsberg and 175ml Montana red wine. No expense spared out west.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I bet they were 440ml Carlsberg too...
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Agent 47 wrote:
I bet they were 440ml Carlsberg too...
 
Yes. As I said no expense spared.
So how many did you sup before being moved on?
What did you hear?
Spud2008-04-29 22:46:35
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I wasn't at the o-league show down sorry
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Feverish wrote:
I wonder what Fred De Jong would think of this?
 
Kossa are prob staying in a caravan park and will blow out anyway
 

Kossa got 50k  gift! off the Taiwanese government so dont think
they will be staying in Caravan park
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possible kossa will blow out but hopefully theyll go well....if the sight of a team of local boys going to tokyo doesnt cheer FIFA I dont know what will ...Kossa going would be the main stopper to oceania getting the bullet...Think a team of mainly old english / european players.... or a lot of fresh local faces (including you Reg!)
I suspect I  know which looks better...
 
so GO KOSSA!!
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uncloz wrote:
possible kossa will blow out but hopefully theyll go well....if the sight of a team of local boys going to tokyo doesnt cheer FIFA I dont know what will ...Kossa going would be the main stopper to oceania getting the bullet...Think a team of mainly old english / european players.... or a lot of fresh local faces (including you Reg!)
I suspect I  know which looks better...
 
so GO KOSSA!!
 
So what is your logic here?
 
If the "main stopper to Oceania getting the bullet" from the CWC is going to be that the island teams start qualifying and that will be "a better look" for FIFA then NZ is f**ked anyway. We're damned if we do qualify and damned if we don't.
 
I suspect you are actually just trying to justify your barely disguised contempt for Waitakere rather than making a serious observation about Oceania's ongoing participation in the CWC.
 
I am no great fan of Waitakere but I sincerely hope they go through - for the good of the NZFC, for the good of football in NZ and because it will clearly cause some heads to explode down at Kiwitea Street.
 
 
 
 

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hear hear
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I agree - what is going on in this country that in an international match we back someone else. I want any NZ team to partipate in the CWC while we can so that any benefits are felt within the game. Waitakere are a completely different team to the one that went to the CWC so they have improved. Isn't that the point of all this. To have the NZ teams get better to lift the standards.
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Marama wrote:
I agree - what is going on in this country that in an international match we back someone else. I want any NZ team to partipate in the CWC while we can so that any benefits are felt within the game. Waitakere are a completely different team to the one that went to the CWC so they have improved. Isn't that the point of all this. To have the NZ teams get better to lift the standards.
 
Exactly, well said that man.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah they have improved so much that they couldnt win in Honiara!!!
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Be very careful about what selective criteria you choose to support your argument Menapi. I understood one of the reasons for Waitakeres performance was not being use to the conditions as opposed to being outclassed.

Kossa haven't played here yet and could very well lose in our 'conditions'
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BARELY DISGUISED....
 
I must try to be clearer...
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I think that once the seriousness of the situation gets realised by football people we will all support them.

Heard a rumor the other day - If FC Kossa win then there will only be 1 NZFC team in the O-league next year. Apparently there is no guarantee for two NZ teams. My contact at Oceania said that while NZ teams keep winning it's fine to have 2 teams but once Solomons win the islands nations will push for change. They aren't on NZ's side was his opinion.

Another thing to consider in support Waitak?
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Marama wrote:
They aren't on NZ's side was his opinion.


That shouldn't be a surprise... we were never loved when Australia were around, now they have gone all that dislike has one focus.  The only reason a second side got in in the first place was a very late withdrawal from the other nation in the first season (was it New Caledonia ?)

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