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Lack Of Quality Kiwi Strikers

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Lack Of Quality Kiwi Strikers
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With the callup of Daniel E. to the AWs I realised that as usual we are struggling for quality strikers. 
 
Clearly we can see this in the AWs but even here in the NZFC most of the decent talent are from the Islands, UK or SA. 
 
This worries me quite abit and has for awhile.  Even Daniel is not really a Kiwi leaving Brockie and Pearce as the only true quailty NZ born and bred strikers in the country.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jarred Smith?  Paul Urlo? 
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First time I've seen "Brockie" and "quality" in the same sentence for a long time...
Both him and Pearce strike me as being players who will always appear to be decent NZFC players who are worth a look at at international level, only to prove a little short of what's required. I'd probably put Daniel Koprivcic in the same group. Ellensohn might just have that litle bit extra, so it's worth finding out.
TheJam2007-11-15 08:11:54
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Urlovic did a couple of shocking things when he came on for Akld if i judge by the WOF highlights.
 
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Halstead reminds me of Danny Dichio. Hes very very handy, and most teams up to a limited standard would jump to sign him but at the end of the day both are slow and c#*p.
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Is Brian Turner still in the country?

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Before we jump to any conclusions let him play at International level a few times and then make a decision whether you think he has it.  At youth and school he performed very well and has a National title, he then scored well in the Northern Premier before playing for Waitakere in the NZFC where I believe he actually played whilst Keryn Jordan was on the bench and he scored in both the semi and final that year.  I think he might just have that little bit extra then the others mentioned and I think he will learn to adapt and play at a higher level like he has his whole career.  And for those who think he is a foreigner he has been in the country at least 10 years.
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Gumboot wrote:
Halstead reminds me of Danny Dichio. Hes very very handy, and most teams up to a limited standard would jump to sign him but at the end of the day both are slow and c#*p.
...and one has converted into a centre back
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nzowl wrote:
Before we jump to any conclusions let him play at International level a few times and then make a decision whether you think he has it.  At youth and school he performed very well and has a National title, he then scored well in the Northern Premier before playing for Waitakere in the NZFC where I believe he actually played whilst Keryn Jordan was on the bench and he scored in both the semi and final that year.  I think he might just have that little bit extra then the others mentioned and I think he will learn to adapt and play at a higher level like he has his whole career.  And for those who think he is a foreigner he has been in the country at least 10 years.
 
No, you've got me wrong, he will probably be ok, just won't set anything alight like Jarrod Smith (over rated in my eyes). 
 
What I was arguing is that NZ needs to develop more attacking players, we're well off for defenders and OK for mids but really up front we only have Killy, Smeltz, and probably James (true he is really a mid).  as for the rest (read b players) we have Brockie, Smith, Ellenson and Fisher (Urlovic is passed it and always looked out of his depth at the Kingz). 
 
I think the NZFC coaches/clubs/youth set ups, should be looking hard in their regions for some decent striking ability and help develop it.
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disco_mart wrote:
Urlovic is passed it and always looked out of his depth at the Kingz).


Actually, Urlo's goal scoring record wasn't that bad at the Kingz.  Compared well to pretty much every forward they had apart from Ibrahim.

There does seem to be a focus on goal scorers currently with Draper making a charge for the final U-20 side, and the likes of Chris Wood for the U-17's.  The trouble with them appearing in a blast of glory like that, is that often they need a bit more time to settle.

I certainly seem to hear of more goal scorers coming through than I remember hearing 3 or 4 years ago.

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Sorry disco mart, I wasn't trying to have a go or anything but was just pointing out that with Ellensohn we have a player that has managed to step up at every level and at his relatively young age he has the chance to play a lot of games for the All Whites and hopefully develop into a truely international striker.  I agree with you that some of the others that have played this role are overated and I also agree with Hard News that we are now starting to produce some strikers after being a defender production line. 
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Good point. Can someone provide some statistics say for the last 3 years so we can see who has scored the most goals. Can include the winter or summer leagues.
 
It is the strikers who do it week in week out at the highest level that should get more respect than someone who has a good season and then two bad ones.
 
What is Ellensohn's goals per game ration over the last 3 season?
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The problem here is that the Aw's have two really good strikers by the AW's standard in Chris Killen and Shane Smeltz but there isn't really anyone else around the world or in the NZFC that is anywhere near the standard of these guys. Elehnson should improve quite a bit in the future as I understand he's still young and has plenty of time to grow. We definately need another good strriker to emerge because I doubt we'll be seeing all that much of Killen as far as the All Whites go. 
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Come on, Urlovic has always been a very average strike....even by New Zealand standards
 
Costa might have a bit of potential but he's been playing midfield a bit lately hasn't he?
 
Hopefully with Rufer's coaching clinic's, some more strikers will emerge within the next five years or so. The u17 team, despite the opening two losses, actually had a few players with a lot of potential to be very good all whites
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What about Kris Bright? He is a quality striker - He would walk into any of the national league sides - even if he does have a broken leg!
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feedback wrote:
What about Kris Bright? He is a quality striker - He would walk into any of the national league sides - even if he does have a broken leg!


OVERRATED:  Did you forget what he was like at the Knights (and Waitak).  He couldn't score from a penalty with no keeper.  Easily the worst striker to play in the A League
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why is fisher off the radar with ricki?  i always rated him as a good all round striker - good touch, strength and finishing.  i know he's injured at the mo, but other than ricki's first game against oz, i don't think he's played for the AWs in ages?!
 
for some reason, christian bouckenhooghe popped into my head.  i had never heard of him when he played in the 1999 confed cup as a striker and won NZ player of the year.  turns out that he was actually this guy who used to be known as kris boucken.
 
man, i'm way off topic.  but it's because i'm perplexed by what happens to our attacking players...
 
brocken-noodle is now a belgium div 2 defender.  the colonel halstead is now a centre back, allan pearce plays on the wing, urlovic prefers to sit down every sunday for the last four years, his brother's lost in australia, colin walker's now a  barnsley scout, billy wright went home, wynton played in goal for hamilton wanderers reserves, fred's on telly, elrick needs to come out of retirement again to get off the telly, harry retired at 30 to sell shoes, burton took his hair loss as an indication that it was time to quit at 28 and forgot that fellow chernobyl victom victor onopko managed to play into his 30s, and i guess fisher's now playing left back for bodens in sweden?
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What even happened to Campbell Banks?

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disco_mart wrote:
feedback wrote:
What about Kris Bright? He is a quality striker - He would walk into any of the national league sides - even if he does have a broken leg!


OVERRATED:  Did you forget what he was like at the Knights (and Waitak).  He couldn't score from a penalty with no keeper.  Easily the worst striker to play in the A League
 
I saw him score from half way with no keeper during half time at a Kingz game. It earned him 1000 bucks.

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bennie99 wrote:
Come on, Urlovic has always been a very average strike....even by New Zealand standards
 
 
 
Top goal scorer for the Kingz season 3. He had to score those against some pretty good opposition.

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Toffeeman wrote:
What even happened to Campbell Banks?


Victorian Premier League.  he played a game or two for the Knights last year and effectively transferred to Aus so he played the winter for Green Gulley.  Had mixed reviews.


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reg22 wrote:
why is fisher off the radar with ricki?  i always rated him as a good all round striker - good touch, strength and finishing.  i know he's injured at the mo, but other than ricki's first game against oz, i don't think he's played for the AWs in ages?!
 
for some reason, christian bouckenhooghe popped into my head.  i had never heard of him when he played in the 1999 confed cup as a striker and won NZ player of the year.  turns out that he was actually this guy who used to be known as kris boucken.
 
man, i'm way off topic.  but it's because i'm perplexed by what happens to our attacking players...
 
brocken-noodle is now a belgium div 2 defender.  the colonel halstead is now a centre back, allan pearce plays on the wing, urlovic prefers to sit down every sunday for the last four years, his brother's lost in australia, colin walker's now a  barnsley scout, billy wright went home, wynton played in goal for hamilton wanderers reserves, fred's on telly, elrick needs to come out of retirement again to get off the telly, harry retired at 30 to sell shoes, burton took his hair loss as an indication that it was time to quit at 28 and forgot that fellow chernobyl victom victor onopko managed to play into his 30s, and i guess fisher's now playing left back for bodens in sweden?


Awesome mate best bit of read on here in ages!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Just wait 2 years for Kris Barbarouses

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isnt it Costa Barbarouses?
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its definitly Costa! What about a certain Ross McKenzie? Has a better CV then most strikers that are been banderd about. Top goal scorer in the USA NCAA tournament, if i remember right featured on American Sportscenter? Played at Dundee United? Has been playing professional in asia, scoring consistantly where he hasnt been injured. Hasnt even been on the NZ radar? surely talent like that and experiance like that cant go un-noticed?
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Obviously he has.
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Kris Bright apparently playin 2nd Div in Norway
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