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How much NSWPL and QSL football have you seen and how long ago Vader?

As a question for you Bluemagic, since you are obviously referencing me, how many games have you watched 90 mins of that did not involve Waitakere or ACFC? Goes to show bias.

I've seen more than 2 dozen games not involving one of sides (and let's remove the kiddies as well) and I can tell you, it is dismal crap. Watching an Otago v HBU or TW v YHM or Canty v WaiBOP..... You get an occasional game that's 'good' but I could pick 6 regional sides from the winter leagues that would play better football than these teams on the whole. You only see your team each week or if you can bring yourself to it, travel to a Waitakere game. Last year the TW Canty game on TV before the Phoenix was utter fucking dross. They then had WaiBOP v YHM which was oddly marginally better but then crap footballers like Rory Turner showed us his mad skillz taking 4 touches before he does anything.

I think in terms of objectivity, it always helps to see teams and games other than those involving your own team. That's not two fingers at you, it's just you only see one side of it. Unless you have been about and seen a lot more of these other games, then I retract. By the same token, as I asked earlier, I could well be in the minority but I don't see ASBP as being better than QSL or NSWPL and those leagues are far better for me. Those teams would dominate here with the exception or ACFC but again, import laden so.....

For what it's worth, year 2 of the league was the best but the 8th season was pretty good too. Runner up goes to season 1.

Groan - another stupid ill-informed dig. Williams and Koprovic are Kiwis and Milne a resident. Do you even know where Morocco is?

I've watched every team in the ASBP play, admittedly mostly against ACFC. I still don't agree with you about the "dismal crap" or "dross" generalization. I've also watched quite a number of winter league club games. perhaps I always try to find positives rather than grumble about negatives like some so-called football fans I know. It's a personal way of looking at things. I feel the same way about films because as someone now working in the industry I 've learned to appreciate what goes into making a film. It's just too easy to throw out bitter generalizations which say more about a individual's own personality than what they're looking at. "Dismal" is a pretty strong put-down and I simply say it 's too dismissive of the effort that goes in to keeping the ASBP alive.

Some of you need to enjoy football more and stop rubbishing the efforts of others. I always find something to appreciate at ASBP games, even when I'm not watching ACFC. That goes for you too Sam Malcolmson!

there's no question that the standard of the asb prem is poor in world terms

there's also little doubt that the a-league is of a higher standard than the asb prem

but this has not prevented the asb prem from producing watchable football in most games and frequently providing outstanding matches

when the a-league started, i quickly grew sick of teams committing a whopping 4 players to any single attack.  you'd often see 3 players go up for a corner.  the league's idea of an attacking midfielder was tim brown

we've never had this negative crap in the asb prem. 

thankfully the a-league is now very watchable compared to its early days

Spot on - there's much more to football than mere ball skills. There's passion, a sense of belonging etc etc

 

Buy you a cold one next match mate.

nice one guys - I was being just as tongue in cheek as Ali-reggae was but what do I get - another short joke...  show me where I personally attacked any of you guys?

FYI - who do I return my season tickets to as I'm not sure I can be bothered with some of you ACFC "supporters"?

Personal ?

Accurate , maybe ...

I will refer you to forum rules number 5 and 7.

5. Thread domination. Do not try to bully someone into submission or disparage every comment they make, simply because their views may differ from your own. Write a coherent reply setting out your views and then let others have their say.

7. Respect other posters. You may not agee with a view but a reply just insulting someone does not foster debate and makes you look foolish.

Cut it out or I'll slap you with a ban.

na just common as ...

Which "Imports" were awol??

Oh you mean White, Milne, Williams and Koprivcic

All imported from where?

Bring a box next game idiot

go on and tell me this isn't height related mate?

...and the thing is they are a vocal minority that paint the club in a bad light.  There are plenty of good people involved in city who despair of the behaviour of many who post on here.

I pretty much get across every other year and see a couple of games in each thanks.

Does say more about the people that judge the club on the opinions of a minority of its assumed supporters? 

So 2 games in each league every 2 years [average 1 game a year] and you feel you can make a suitable comparison with the ASBPL? I used to live in both Sydney and Brisbane [came back here 8 years ago admittedly] but I thought Queensland was of a lesser standard to our top league and NSW was marginally better if not similar. Subjective I know but I honestly don't think you are qualified to make the statement you made just based on watching the number of games you said you have seen.

...and the thing is they are a vocal minority that paint the club in a bad light.  There are plenty of good people involved in city who despair of the behaviour of many who post on here.

Does say more about the people that judge the club on the opinions of a minority of its assumed supporters? 

"Settle down and pay attention!"

Now Ali and Flu Blu etc, how dare you go to Kiwitea Street and actually enjoy watching the ASBP. I've even heard some of the supporters sing songs. This is not NZ Football! It's about dour individuals who grumble about "dismal crap". So in future keep your shirts on - oops, that's the other lot of nutters isn't it.

I still hold that statement that they are better leagues. Otherwise why aren't a ton of kiwis going over in the winter and making a truckload of coin if the leagues are easier? Only a handful of the better footballers go over.

just a thought on this statement...

i don't think that heading to aussie is of any use at all to a kiwi footballer as it provides no pathway.  kiwi's heading over to be 'talent spotted' like clapham are wasting their time unless they are good enough to compete with the a-league's other imports which are of a much higher standard and competing for only 5 spots

contrast this with MLS, which is of a higher standard, but each roster has 11 foreign spots available, which has enabled the likes of boxall and keat to go pro

furthermore the state leagues are semi pro.  a new zealand semi pro player would have to leave his job to play there.

i think the only kiwis you see playing state league are those that are there for the lifestyle or work which may also explain why you don't see too many of us there

I guess I have to take your word for it then - just to clear it up wasn't at the game - the imports jibe was aimed at Ali-Reggae as we have had a few conversations about "imports" - sorry if you didn't take it that way.

If you actually read ali-reggae's comment he was being tongue in cheek so I replied in kind.

It's not great to see more and more ACFC supporters are just fuelling the unfortunate image that is portrayed on here - your club and your fans deserve more.

Thanks Chopah, I was, indeed, being tongue in cheek.

This is not aimed at you Chopah but just a general comment. As far as I'm aware I do not engage in personal insults and my posts are generally coherent and have a point so please people try to take each post and poster on their own merits and not lump all ACFC fans together. Yes, we all share a passion for City but our opinions for the most part differ. 

yeah I agree - I'm probably guilty of this at times - will do better in 2014!

And I am guilty of it too. I've largely got BM and Ali figured out now so that helps but when you get Deva who pops in and acts like a cock, it doesn't help and I have a low tolerance level.