National League / OCL

OFC Professional League

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29 Aug 11:47 · edited 29 Aug 12:14 · History
loyalgunner
I still don’t know how this is going to work. My understanding is the NZ teams in the national league are strictly amateur (ie non paid) while the OCL is professional. Without having two squads, how can they get around this Catch-22.

I also would like to know if Christchurch Utd’s inclusion is seen as a step towards the A-League. If not, the OCL is an odd limbo to be in.

As for the exclusion of the Phoenix, without knowing criteria it’s hard to really assess if it’s fair or not. But broadly speaking the crowds are poor, there’s often talk of financial struggles/unable to break even, and to be honest they’ve looked pretty dire lately. Auckland is a far safer bet. As for Christchurch, with enough money behind them plus a solid plan then their inclusion doesn’t seem like a terrible idea.

You can’t help but wonder if this is going to cause any issues with the A-League in terms of scheduling/player availability etc.

OFC League is to run early Jan to sometime in May. Each team is guaranteed a minimum 17 games. Playoffs a top 4 & a bottom 4. With the best team in the bottom 4, playing the worst team in the top 4, before one off semis and a final.

So you could have players on say 6 month/26 week contracts. Starting pre season mid November, finishing mid May. 

Basically similar to how most ALW players are only contracted for 35 weeks, and for the winter months often play for amateur domestic NZ clubs ,or NPL clubs in Oz which I presume at most provide free accommodation, food & travel.

So taking say Christchurch United's squad. They finish in mid May, then head off back to various clubs around NZ and Aussie's NPL, playing again as 'amateurs' May-mid September. Have a Sept-October off season, before heading back November into pre season at CU.

That's assuming CU's OFC squad is quite different to their current Southern League squad, ie for the OFC League they sign players from all parts on say 6 month pro contracts. Though I'm sure they will be keen just like the Nix to establish a pathway, for their more promisng youngsters from their Academy (biggest in the Sth Island?) right through to this new OFC team. Then hopefully sellng some for a transfer fee, to either of NZ's 2 ALM clubs, or offshore somewhere. 

So yeah they will need to get those young promising players on 2-3+ year contracts, to lock in the chances of earning some transfer fees. 

The likes of GSR, LBS, Supyk etc are contracted to the Nix but still play Central League. So I guess something similar will allow a cohort of longer term contracted young guys at CU, to play both summer/autumn OFC League, and winter Southern League. 

Some plan like that if OFC's squad is a mix of their young guys coming through the Academy, and then separately a chort older more experienced guys they really only want to contract for a short 6 months. That sort of idea could work

Auckland II I don't know. A bit different again. Maybe their Northern Region side is effectively Auckland III, that in any given match day over the winter months can only have x amount (3-4?) of pro players from Auckland II.

Complicated more by NZF looking to move to a 12-14 club pure winter National League, that would yes overlap this OFC League. 

Plenty to work through for sure, now the two NZ teams are confirmed.
29 Aug 18:13
So why can an Australian team play in the Oceania League but Neither the Nix nor AFC can play in the Asian Champions League??
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29 Aug 19:20
LG
So why can an Australian team play in the Oceania League but Neither the Nix nor AFC can play in the Asian Champions League??

Because the confeds do things differently based on what is best for them?

Wonder if the national bodies had a say on what their preferences are in the ‘process’? Makes you think given that piney interview  hush hush stuff

Founder

29 Aug 19:39 · edited 29 Aug 20:21 · History
Only thing for me now is that we don't take Chch Uniteds spot through legal action. We didn't get our own, rightly or wrongly, due to incompetence or corruption but the last thing we want to do is piss off people who otherwise support us and become the "bad guys".

I would like to see the selection criteria and where we didn't stack up. Could be as simple something geographical, but apparently there are many here with intimate knowledge of the bid details that I'd love to see shared if possible.

Also Buffon, I appreciate the free accommodation.

Valley FC til I die?

29 Aug 19:46
I hope for transparency that David Dome actually releases the clubs full submission to the public rather than just talking in his brief statement about being the biggest club in Oceania and having world class training facilities.



Auckland will rise once more

29 Aug 21:25
Nelfoos
Only thing for me now is that we don't take Chch Uniteds spot through legal action. We didn't get our own, rightly or wrongly, due to incompetence or corruption but the last thing we want to do is piss off people who otherwise support us and become the "bad guys".

I would like to see the selection criteria and where we didn't stack up. Could be as simple something geographical, but apparently there are many here with intimate knowledge of the bid details that I'd love to see shared if possible.

Also Buffon, I appreciate the free accommodation.

Suspect this is why the threat of legal action will probably come to nothing.
29 Aug 21:51 · edited 29 Aug 21:52 · History
Confused about OFC Pro League, National League & FCWC paths....

Can someone explain what’s going on with the new OFC Pro League setup?

How does a team that can’t even make the NZ National League still get into the OFC Pro League?

What does that mean for the winner of the OFC Champions League now?

Where does Auckland City fit into all of this?


Also, on the Australian side:

Do South Melbourne now have two possible paths to the FIFA Club World Cup?

If they were to win the Australia Cup (next season), would that qualify them for the Asian Champions League – even though they’re not in the A-League?

Oh and South Melbourne would be part of AFC... as technically the Nix and AFC are too... 


This whole thing feels messy — what’s actually going on here?


I say tackle him in the face.

29 Aug 22:06 · edited 29 Aug 22:06 · History
The Nix seem to be half arsing everything right now... And this is what you get. 

People here can defend Nix management all they like but it's quite clear a number of people at the top are clearly asleep at the wheel, Dome especially.
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29 Aug 22:30
Haven't logged onto the forum for a while but with this news I kinda just had to.

I'm happy Chch united got the nod, South Island has been long overdue for a professional club and its own professional pathway. I hope they go on to see the same success Auckland has recently.

On the other hand it's disappointing seeing AFC get in and not us. I understand why but it still hurts. People on line can go on and on about why this makes sense but it still just hurts to see from a fan perspective when you compile it with an underwhelming cup run and the previous season. Just feel like it should've been both or neither.

Who knows? Maybe Chief will shock us all and have a great season, but it really just feels like another L on the pile.
29 Aug 22:37
zonknz
I Don't really see this as a big deal. The saudi slush money will run out in what, 2-3 seasons, and this league will cease to exist. The clubs will play in hubs, so i struggle to see how a following for fans will develop.

yeah but accessing that money while it's available would have been a godsend for the Welnix.

Queenslander 3x a year.

29 Aug 22:38
Noah4thenix
Haven't logged onto the forum for a while but with this news I kinda just had to.

I'm happy Chch united got the nod, South Island has been long overdue for a professional club and its own professional pathway. I hope they go on to see the same success Auckland has recently.

On the other hand it's disappointing seeing AFC get in and not us. I understand why but it still hurts. People on line can go on and on about why this makes sense but it still just hurts to see from a fan perspective when you compile it with an underwhelming cup run and the previous season. Just feel like it should've been both or neither.

Who knows? Maybe Chief will shock us all and have a great season, but it really just feels like another L on the pile.

Press comments say CU see themselves as a whole of South Island thing, but prepping for bid was only really possible under the CU banner

Founder

29 Aug 22:51
Christchurch United have just announced a partnership with FC Nelson, which would back that up.

Valley FC til I die?

29 Aug 22:56
Marto
The Nix seem to be half arsing everything right now... And this is what you get. 

People here can defend Nix management all they like but it's quite clear a number of people at the top are clearly asleep at the wheel, Dome especially.

All those times taking games to tbe South Island to help grow the game and all that... look after your "home" fans. Keep games accessible for your loyal fan base. Look after nunber 1. 


I say tackle him in the face.

29 Aug 23:18
Nelfoos
Only thing for me now is that we don't take Chch Uniteds spot through legal action. We didn't get our own, rightly or wrongly, due to incompetence or corruption but the last thing we want to do is piss off people who otherwise support us and become the "bad guys".

I would like to see the selection criteria and where we didn't stack up. Could be as simple something geographical, but apparently there are many here with intimate knowledge of the bid details that I'd love to see shared if possible.

Also Buffon, I appreciate the free accommodation.
It is nice to see another teams getting a break as the Phoenix has had it good for so many years where other teams were overlooked in the past including in the All Whites squads. The Phoenix are struggling at the moment and if they were selected who would they be sending the youngsters from the National league? Let’s be fair this should be based on performance and not on status. It is no different to the National league where the Phoenix used to qualify to play just because they were a pro team even if they finished at the bottom of the central league.
29 Aug 23:35
santy
Confused about OFC Pro League, National League & FCWC paths....

Can someone explain what’s going on with the new OFC Pro League setup?

How does a team that can’t even make the NZ National League still get into the OFC Pro League?

What does that mean for the winner of the OFC Champions League now?

Where does Auckland City fit into all of this?


Also, on the Australian side:

Do South Melbourne now have two possible paths to the FIFA Club World Cup?

If they were to win the Australia Cup (next season), would that qualify them for the Asian Champions League – even though they’re not in the A-League?

Oh and South Melbourne would be part of AFC... as technically the Nix and AFC are too... 


This whole thing feels messy — what’s actually going on here?



Can someone explain what’s going on with the new OFC Pro League setup?

The OFC Pro League is a new competition that will initially feature eight teams, with the potential for expansion down the line. It will serve as the qualifying tournament for the 2029 FIFA Club World Cup, based on results during its first three seasons. Start-up funding via FIFA is helping to cover accommodation and travel in the initial period. Teams will play each other twice, then split into a top four and bottom four, with the best team from the bottom four to face the worst team from the top four to determine the fourth semifinalist. Each team is therefore guaranteed 17 matches. The competition will be played in a series of hubs, with teams coming together for 10 days or so to play three matches, then dispersing.

How does a team that can’t even make the NZ National League still get into the OFC Pro League?

NZ National League qualification is based on results in regional leagues. The selection of the eight teams for the OFC Pro League was done via a bidding/licensing process.

What does that mean for the winner of the OFC Champions League now?

The winner of the OFC Champions League will seemingly still qualify for the annual FIFA Intercontinental Cup, but that is all.

Where does Auckland City fit into all of this?

They chose not to pursue a place in the OFC Pro League. Like many/most other New Zealand amateur clubs, they rely on gaming funding that is linked to amateur status.

Do South Melbourne now have two possible paths to the FIFA Club World Cup?
 
South Melbourne can't qualify for the FIFA Club World Cup out of the OFC Pro League, in the same way Auckland FC and the Wellington Phoenix can't qualify for Asian competitions out of the A-Leagues.

If they were to win the Australia Cup (next season), would that qualify them for the Asian Champions League – even though they’re not in the A-League?

Whether an NPL side can meet the licensing requirements to compete in Asian competitions (by winning the Australia Cup) is a mystery, though one we might soon get an answer to.

This whole thing feels messy — what’s actually going on here?

You're not wrong.
30 Aug 00:51
Nelfoos
Christchurch United have just announced a partnership with FC Nelson, which would back that up.


Also Queenstown FC, my daughter plays in the under 4s at CU and this morning we had another club (Oxford) come and play against us (usually at that age in chch the games are all in house) and it was interesting hearing the CU coach afterwards talking about how part of the intent was to share coaching knowledge.

I get the vibe that CU have an intent to build a professional (in attitude) football club and use that to raise the tide across football clubs within chch and the wider south island. 
30 Aug 00:53
AucklandPhoenix
I hope for transparency that David Dome actually releases the clubs full submission to the public rather than just talking in his brief statement about being the biggest club in Oceania and having world class training facilities.



Unless it’s written in crayon or riddled with AI-generated nonsense then by itself it would still tell us nothing.

To understand where things went wrong we’d need to see all three NZ bids, along with OFC’s scoring matrix for them - both the detailed criteria and how each bid was scored against them. Then and only then we could ask three distinct questions:

1. Were OFC’s criteria fair and reasonable to begin with?

2. If they were, are the scores they gave each bid under each category fair and reasonable?

3. If the scoring is a fair assessment, did the Phoenix bid accurately represent the club’s strengths and what it has to offer?

If the answer to one of the first two questions is no then OFC have screwed us over and we’re right to feel aggrieved. If it’s two yeses and a no then the club screwed up the bid and criticism of club management is justified.

If it’s three yes answers then the club as it stands shouldn’t be in the league, and there’s a whole different conversation about whether we want to be the kind of club that should (yes, we could use the money, but at what long-term cost?).

I have zero inside knowledge, so I’m neither condemning nor defending Phoenix management here. Reading the club statement though it sounds like OFC haven’t given the club the information they need to do a full post-mortem - hopefully once they’ve done that they can be a bit more forthcoming at David/Rob level.
30 Aug 01:13 · edited 30 Aug 01:30 · History
I do wonder sometimes how much the Nix monitor other developments on the NZ football scene outside of Wellington.

Obviously Auckland's instant large success surprised everyone, the Phoenix very much so.

But were the Nix even aware that ChCh United were entering a high class bid, had invited various OFC officials to ChCh, plus signed a MOU with the Vanuatu FA?

Were they aware that Auckland were using outside consultants to submit their bid? If so why didn't they do similar, rather than do it inhouse for an organistaion already juggling many hats.

That's where I agree Dome & Co from the outside, look a bit asleep at the wheel. 


PS. I mean the Nix did good things by giving the likes of Totori and Krishna from the OFC nations their first chances at pro football. But then you have Kaltak and a few others they bypassed. They could agruably have done more in the past re being the only OFC fully pro club around. They had Raphael Le'ai and one of his Solomons U17s team mates at the Academy years ago, but no other OFC kids since then. Why wasn't that made a regular thing maybe.
30 Aug 01:24
andrewvoerman
santy
Confused about OFC Pro League, National League & FCWC paths....

Can someone explain what’s going on with the new OFC Pro League setup?

How does a team that can’t even make the NZ National League still get into the OFC Pro League?

What does that mean for the winner of the OFC Champions League now?

Where does Auckland City fit into all of this?


Also, on the Australian side:

Do South Melbourne now have two possible paths to the FIFA Club World Cup?

If they were to win the Australia Cup (next season), would that qualify them for the Asian Champions League – even though they’re not in the A-League?

Oh and South Melbourne would be part of AFC... as technically the Nix and AFC are too... 


This whole thing feels messy — what’s actually going on here?



Can someone explain what’s going on with the new OFC Pro League setup?

The OFC Pro League is a new competition that will initially feature eight teams, with the potential for expansion down the line. It will serve as the qualifying tournament for the 2029 FIFA Club World Cup, based on results during its first three seasons. Start-up funding via FIFA is helping to cover accommodation and travel in the initial period. Teams will play each other twice, then split into a top four and bottom four, with the best team from the bottom four to face the worst team from the top four to determine the fourth semifinalist. Each team is therefore guaranteed 17 matches. The competition will be played in a series of hubs, with teams coming together for 10 days or so to play three matches, then dispersing.

How does a team that can’t even make the NZ National League still get into the OFC Pro League?

NZ National League qualification is based on results in regional leagues. The selection of the eight teams for the OFC Pro League was done via a bidding/licensing process.

What does that mean for the winner of the OFC Champions League now?

The winner of the OFC Champions League will seemingly still qualify for the annual FIFA Intercontinental Cup, but that is all.

Where does Auckland City fit into all of this?

They chose not to pursue a place in the OFC Pro League. Like many/most other New Zealand amateur clubs, they rely on gaming funding that is linked to amateur status.

Do South Melbourne now have two possible paths to the FIFA Club World Cup?
 
South Melbourne can't qualify for the FIFA Club World Cup out of the OFC Pro League, in the same way Auckland FC and the Wellington Phoenix can't qualify for Asian competitions out of the A-Leagues.

If they were to win the Australia Cup (next season), would that qualify them for the Asian Champions League – even though they’re not in the A-League?

Whether an NPL side can meet the licensing requirements to compete in Asian competitions (by winning the Australia Cup) is a mystery, though one we might soon get an answer to.

This whole thing feels messy — what’s actually going on here?

You're not wrong.
The only thing that needs changing in this answer is that OFC have said that the new OFC Pro League will also be the pathway for the FIFA Intercontinental Cup.

Auckland City still qualify for this year's edition due to the Pro League not starting until next year, but after that it will go to the Pro League winners.
30 Aug 01:44
Half a Pint
andrewvoerman
santy
Confused about OFC Pro League, National League & FCWC paths....

Can someone explain what’s going on with the new OFC Pro League setup?

How does a team that can’t even make the NZ National League still get into the OFC Pro League?

What does that mean for the winner of the OFC Champions League now?

Where does Auckland City fit into all of this?


Also, on the Australian side:

Do South Melbourne now have two possible paths to the FIFA Club World Cup?

If they were to win the Australia Cup (next season), would that qualify them for the Asian Champions League – even though they’re not in the A-League?

Oh and South Melbourne would be part of AFC... as technically the Nix and AFC are too... 


This whole thing feels messy — what’s actually going on here?



Can someone explain what’s going on with the new OFC Pro League setup?

The OFC Pro League is a new competition that will initially feature eight teams, with the potential for expansion down the line. It will serve as the qualifying tournament for the 2029 FIFA Club World Cup, based on results during its first three seasons. Start-up funding via FIFA is helping to cover accommodation and travel in the initial period. Teams will play each other twice, then split into a top four and bottom four, with the best team from the bottom four to face the worst team from the top four to determine the fourth semifinalist. Each team is therefore guaranteed 17 matches. The competition will be played in a series of hubs, with teams coming together for 10 days or so to play three matches, then dispersing.

How does a team that can’t even make the NZ National League still get into the OFC Pro League?

NZ National League qualification is based on results in regional leagues. The selection of the eight teams for the OFC Pro League was done via a bidding/licensing process.

What does that mean for the winner of the OFC Champions League now?

The winner of the OFC Champions League will seemingly still qualify for the annual FIFA Intercontinental Cup, but that is all.

Where does Auckland City fit into all of this?

They chose not to pursue a place in the OFC Pro League. Like many/most other New Zealand amateur clubs, they rely on gaming funding that is linked to amateur status.

Do South Melbourne now have two possible paths to the FIFA Club World Cup?
 
South Melbourne can't qualify for the FIFA Club World Cup out of the OFC Pro League, in the same way Auckland FC and the Wellington Phoenix can't qualify for Asian competitions out of the A-Leagues.

If they were to win the Australia Cup (next season), would that qualify them for the Asian Champions League – even though they’re not in the A-League?

Whether an NPL side can meet the licensing requirements to compete in Asian competitions (by winning the Australia Cup) is a mystery, though one we might soon get an answer to.

This whole thing feels messy — what’s actually going on here?

You're not wrong.
The only thing that needs changing in this answer is that OFC have said that the new OFC Pro League will also be the pathway for the FIFA Intercontinental Cup.

Auckland City still qualify for this year's edition due to the Pro League not starting until next year, but after that it will go to the Pro League winners.
My bad. Add that to the list of messy things though – the winner each year having to reactivate in September for a one-off match, when contracts will have expired, players will be off elsewhere filling in the six-month off-season.
30 Aug 01:54
Since2007
ballane
Since2007
Yep, never expected Phoenix's bid to be better than Auckland FC's. The reality is, the Phoenix's bid wasn't strong enough to beat Christchurch United. Which should be the talking point and is much more of a concern.
Not a concern at all for me would rather they concentrate and get the team we have to the level we all want it to be at.
The only concern i have is its probably going to be harder to attract those fringe players with Auckland bling having two teams
Fair, a bit sad there's no way into the FIFA CWC, however the club's pretty thinly spread and not exactly profitable so not being in the OFC Pro League isn't all that bad. 

My concern is that the Phoenix wanted it, took part in an off-field competitive process, and lost to an 'amateur' club with around a half-dozen paid staff members. I've started to lose faith in some of the club higher-ups. 

I’m wondering about how much they wanted it. As mentioned above the club and its combined business acumen has not only ensured its own survival, but actively propped up other parts of the league. They’ve run a very successful academy too. 

I’m wondering if they simply didn’t really want to be involved at this stage? We’re not flush with players and it’s a distraction. 

Is there a chance of an expansion further down the track? 

And as for FIFA or OFC calling whatever amateur, just remember who’s been running OFC for all these years! The Phoenix has been the only professional thing in OFC due that time. 


30 Aug 02:02
Half a Pint

This is interesting from Piney, Chch Utd have apparently been told by NZ Football that they aren't allowed to talk to the media about their inclusion in the OPL. I wonder if Auckland have been told the same?

Edit: Obviously Auckland haven't been told not to as they have stuff on their socials

Lololol. 
Professional? 

“Congratulations you’re in the first OFC professional league and you’re the first professional team from the South Island! How do you feel?” 

“Waiting for a fax from NZF lawyers. They only work twice a week, so maybe Wednesday we can talk to you?”

Shades of the NZF forgot to fax transfer requests or Mossy’s appeal…


30 Aug 02:10
coochiee
Again the ChCh United bid was apparently impressive, and it's clearly been a big ambition of theirs getting into this league. Their main focus even, for the last 12 odd months. For now this OFC League seems the perfect fit for Meyn's dreams. He has openly said he on his own can't afford to setup an A League club.

AFC apparently employed some sort of outside contractor to draft up their bid document, ie they spent some coin on a professional submission.

As with YH it always seemed that the Nix weren't hugely invested in their bid, more afraid and unsure of what it might mean for the future, if their A League rivals up the road got in.

I mean one club has obviously invested very heavily in their ALW squad in the last few months, the other club doesn't even have an ALW staff member (more an APL issue). Even the well resourced and monied Estonians may have struggled to balance everything, if say right now they were furiously busy starting a womens team from scratch.

Yep- that’s right the AFC bid could do flashy transitions on PowerPoint and mentioned how Becker worked extensively with City Football Group. Professional! Nice suits. 

I dunno there seems to be a section of AFC who seem to think doing the Nix down at every opportunity is the way to go. It’s bizarre the only engagement we’ve had from new AFC fans on this forum for instance. 


30 Aug 02:11
Napier Phoenix
You need to get of this high horse, no womens team was an A League decision, not an Auckland one.
ballane
How convenient Auckland dont have to fund a womens team  while they get the OFC team up and running. 😉

Nothing Auckland could do. Out of their hands. Especially now with WU out. 


30 Aug 02:14
Gordinho
I'd just be very interested in the reasons the Nix were deemed to have represented as a lesser case for inclusion than the other two. The assessment and weighting criteria must have been 'interesting'. I think all three clubs should have got in - perhaps for different reasons to some extent - I think that would have been the best result for giving the new league better chances to be a success and better for football generally in NZ. At least now they won't have this as a distraction.

Because what was being said first was the Nix were amateur etc etc and now OFC are saying, in the face of a judicial review of their processes (and the knowledge that the OFC and Illinois have similarities), the bids were equal in quality. Well which is it?


30 Aug 02:32 · edited 30 Aug 02:36 · History
Wait, I’m sorry Coochie (and those absolute Phoenix fans 20Legend and AucklandPhoenix), but the call about the OFC seems bollocks. 

The Phoenix should have done more to help the OFC you’re saying.

Week after week we’re getting hammered for not being a cut throat business like Auckland and now instead we should have been a charity for the OFC? That doesn’t seem right at all. Which is it? 

We certainly helped Roy Krishna get professional football when he took a long time to adapt, after having proved himself at the highest level in Oceania which was the NZFC. No other players did that. 

As for the garbage about Auckland’s crowds, that are apparently now a metric. The , the Nix used to take two games a year to Auckland with crowds consistently 10k to 25k plus. No mention of that. Secondly, it’s one season of successful football with a strong new club in a weakened league. Not Muscat, Thompson, Travis Dodd, Ono, Timmy Cahill or whoever. 

The mess around comms and the changing stories does seem to indicate some behind the scenes carry on. 

I want there to be a South Island team as much as the anyone on here. 

I’m just getting sick of AFC thinking they invented pro football in NZ and that they owe nothing to the Nix. We’ve flown the flag through more than tough times. 

That said forcing our way in by judicial review would be a bad look, but to actively exclude your long time only professional club shows a certain perversity…


30 Aug 03:00
martinb
Since2007
ballane
Since2007
Yep, never expected Phoenix's bid to be better than Auckland FC's. The reality is, the Phoenix's bid wasn't strong enough to beat Christchurch United. Which should be the talking point and is much more of a concern.
Not a concern at all for me would rather they concentrate and get the team we have to the level we all want it to be at.
The only concern i have is its probably going to be harder to attract those fringe players with Auckland bling having two teams
Fair, a bit sad there's no way into the FIFA CWC, however the club's pretty thinly spread and not exactly profitable so not being in the OFC Pro League isn't all that bad. 

My concern is that the Phoenix wanted it, took part in an off-field competitive process, and lost to an 'amateur' club with around a half-dozen paid staff members. I've started to lose faith in some of the club higher-ups. 

I’m wondering about how much they wanted it. As mentioned above the club and its combined business acumen has not only ensured its own survival, but actively propped up other parts of the league. They’ve run a very successful academy too. 

I’m wondering if they simply didn’t really want to be involved at this stage? We’re not flush with players and it’s a distraction. 

Is there a chance of an expansion further down the track? 

And as for FIFA or OFC calling whatever amateur, just remember who’s been running OFC for all these years! The Phoenix has been the only professional thing in OFC due that time. 
 
The legal action chat would suggest they wanted it at least a little bit. 
30 Aug 03:23
Fitzy
martinb
Since2007
ballane
Since2007
Yep, never expected Phoenix's bid to be better than Auckland FC's. The reality is, the Phoenix's bid wasn't strong enough to beat Christchurch United. Which should be the talking point and is much more of a concern.
Not a concern at all for me would rather they concentrate and get the team we have to the level we all want it to be at.
The only concern i have is its probably going to be harder to attract those fringe players with Auckland bling having two teams
Fair, a bit sad there's no way into the FIFA CWC, however the club's pretty thinly spread and not exactly profitable so not being in the OFC Pro League isn't all that bad. 

My concern is that the Phoenix wanted it, took part in an off-field competitive process, and lost to an 'amateur' club with around a half-dozen paid staff members. I've started to lose faith in some of the club higher-ups. 

I’m wondering about how much they wanted it. As mentioned above the club and its combined business acumen has not only ensured its own survival, but actively propped up other parts of the league. They’ve run a very successful academy too. 

I’m wondering if they simply didn’t really want to be involved at this stage? We’re not flush with players and it’s a distraction. 

Is there a chance of an expansion further down the track? 

And as for FIFA or OFC calling whatever amateur, just remember who’s been running OFC for all these years! The Phoenix has been the only professional thing in OFC due that time. 
 
The legal action chat would suggest they wanted it at least a little bit. 

Lol. Yeh tb fair I posted that before I got that far down the thread. 

It was always promising to be a weird one, this thing we all agreed could never happen and it’s delivering! 


30 Aug 03:29
Banzai!...AIEEE!!!
Piney and CHC head dude.  13:15 slot.  Starts with around 4 minutes left…

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-demand/zb-on-demand/

Worth a listen.

CU did a Zoom call with all the other Southern Region clubs yesterday. Sounds like the aim is it being a team reprsentative of the whole Sth Island, but yes under the CU banner.

Planning a Sth Island roadshow in pre season. Plan is yes two different teams in the OFC League, and Southern/National League.

Young players having a local pro pathway without leaving the Sth Island, a huge part of their bid. An island of 1.2 million. The overall idea being that this new OFC Pro League is for areas of Oceania currently without a current pro team. Auckland the exception.

A League expansion bid not ruled out for the future. Ryan Edwards guarded with his reaction to David Dome's comments. Piney says the vibe on Domey's comments is that it comes across as petulant and entitled.
30 Aug 03:58
Banzai!...AIEEE!!!
Piney and CHC head dude.  13:15 slot.  Starts with around 4 minutes left…

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-demand/zb-on-demand/
To paraphrase.
CU: "Our main pitch was was centred on collaboration with the South Island clubs that unites the whole region together."
Piney: "how will you ensure the collaboration?"
CU: ? "working with clubs in the South Island to get their ideas around what collaboration looks like"

FFS - just hollow words with no thought out strategy. They only talked to other clubs on Friday just before the announcement was made - but seems like after they knew they had gotten a spot. "we better start collaborating now since we put it in our bid document and didn't talk to any other clubs in the process of making our bid."
30 Aug 04:00
Eh? So they include Melbourne with 3 teams? This week still. Heroes bringing that professional game to Victoria. Not Cairns or anywhere like that as earlier speculated.

Areas without pro-team, but including Auckland? Oh okay. Just call it the no-Phoenix club then. 

Piney keep wearing that blue jersey buddy on the subject of bad looks. 


30 Aug 04:07 · edited 30 Aug 04:14 · History
Auckland region always had to have a team for the various factors already raised. Airport hub, OFC HQ, large Pacific communities etc

Agree yes SM is very meh and not sure on what criteria they were picked over Sunshine Coast an area with no pro football. There are yes some decent sized Melanesian expat communities in Victoria 
30 Aug 04:08
An island 1.2 million scarcely connected by road, certainly not by any easy routes, and flights between cities are almost as expensive as Auckland or Wellington to Aussie? 

Wait a few years until all the South Island clubs are grumpy at Christchurch for hoovering up their talent.


30 Aug 04:14
martinb
Eh? So they include Melbourne with 3 teams? This week still. Heroes bringing that professional game to Victoria. Not Cairns or anywhere like that as earlier speculated.

Areas without pro-team, but including Auckland? Oh okay. Just call it the no-Phoenix club then. 

Piney keep wearing that blue jersey buddy on the subject of bad looks. 

Has Piney moved to Auckland? Perhaps Spoonley has finally battered down his defences of Wellington. He seems to spend a lot of time praising Auckland all of a sudden. All I want is some unbiased and honest reporting.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

30 Aug 04:15
coochiee
Auckland region always had to have a team for the various factors already raised. Airport hub, OFC HQ, large Pacific communities etc

Agree yes SM is very meh and not sure on what criteria they were picked over Sunshine Coast an area with no pro football. There are some decent sized Melanesian expat communities in Victoria 

The comms have been bizarre. 
It’s because the Nix bid was terrible. Now they were all equal. 
Then Christchurch couldn’t talk about it. Now there was never any such prohibition. 
Then it was to bring pro-football to where it was lacking, so the South Island is in, as are Auckland and Melbourne, but Wellington is out. 

Even if it is about something petty, surely they could have prepared their communication strategy a bit better when launching this new league. That there would be these objections should at least be predictable.

And it does leave the Phoenix the only pro-club ineligible for the CWC through any channel. 


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martinb
Eh? So they include Melbourne with 3 teams? This week still. Heroes bringing that professional game to Victoria. Not Cairns or anywhere like that as earlier speculated.

Areas without pro-team, but including Auckland? Oh okay. Just call it the no-Phoenix club then. 

Piney keep wearing that blue jersey buddy on the subject of bad looks. 

Has Piney moved to Auckland? Perhaps Spoonley has finally battered down his defences of Wellington. He seems to spend a lot of time praising Auckland all of a sudden. All I want is some unbiased and honest reporting.

I’m always gunna love Piney, not least that iconic pre-season cup penalty shootout call, but he’s too close to Auckland FC for my liking these days. 

Guna add some spice to this Heidelberg game!


30 Aug 04:23
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martinb
Eh? So they include Melbourne with 3 teams? This week still. Heroes bringing that professional game to Victoria. Not Cairns or anywhere like that as earlier speculated.

Areas without pro-team, but including Auckland? Oh okay. Just call it the no-Phoenix club then. 

Piney keep wearing that blue jersey buddy on the subject of bad looks. 

Has Piney moved to Auckland? Perhaps Spoonley has finally battered down his defences of Wellington. He seems to spend a lot of time praising Auckland all of a sudden. All I want is some unbiased and honest reporting.

Jesus Jason, my late father would be very disappointed with you. (If you read this Piney). 
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

30 Aug 04:43
I think I threw up in my mouth just a little bit seeing that photo. 
30 Aug 04:50
Procrastinixing
I think I threw up in my mouth just a little bit seeing that photo. 

It’s what Becker is doing that Dome isn’t right?