O League ruling by FIFA

O League ruling by FIFA

Did Fifa make a ruling on the Phoenix playing in the O league?

Yep.  They said no.

thats awesome

I bet that's what your parents said too 

Have fun being kicked out of the CWC by fifa.

I'm not going to close the thread as I think it's the right decision, but Bluey if you're going to limit yourself to two word, deliberately inflammatory posts you run the risk of being banned.

Shouldnt let your opinion be the reason to lock or not lock a thread

Rest assured, if I policed it on my views half the threads would be deleted and we'd have less than 100 members .

I'll word it differently, the original post was a valid question, despite being a VERY lame attempt to set up and hit the home run in the third post as Bluey quite obviously knew the answer.  Of course, his lack of subtlety meant he kind of grounded out without even a base hit.  Another poor imitation of HappyTed.

I will however check as I think there is already a thread on this, in which case we'll see a few IBTL's.
Hard News2008-08-25 22:05:22

The only reason they are not in the O-league is that they are not playing in a OFC competition that require entry into O-league. If the phoenix is able to participate in a OFC competition in which the winner gains access into the O-league. Only until then that the Phoenix has a chance to participate into the O-league and then into CWC.

At the moment, it is AFC that is preventing the Phoenix a chance to get into the ACL and to CWC.

Quite simply Wellington is an Oceania club that plays in an AFC competition. Without a OFC competition, Phoenix cannot participate in O-league. And being an Oceania based club, they are not an AFC club although they participate in an AFC competition. It's AFC call whether they don't mind having an Oceania club that represents the A-League competition as winners of that competition.

BTW

"IBTL!"

If the club are registered to the FFA, and the players registration is held by the FFA, the Phoenix are an Australian club for all administrative purposes.  If a player has to make an international transfer from NZFC to the Phoenix then it's across nations. 

The club is based in New Zealand, but the club is actually Australian.  The path should now, and should always have been Asia.

Its true.

Well this is the problem. The A-league licence is actually held by NZF which has sub-licenced to the best bidder i.e. Wellington Phoenix. Beforehand, NZS did not have the A-league licence when the New Zealand Knights club had the A-league licence. This time round, the FFA has given the licence to NZF and not Wellington Phoenix, they only approve the sub-licence conditions. It was NZF that fulfilled all the A-league criteria not Wellington Phoenix. The Wellington Phoenix club would have to register with NZF to have the sub-licence and therefore their players have to register with NZF. The Wellington Phoenix's New Zealand player does not have to register with FFA because by FIFA rules on international league (which the A-league is) means that the players of a foreign club that participates in the international league only need the FFA board's approval. The players not need any international clearance to play in the league as the club has total clearance and unanimous approval from the board. In which Wellington Phoenix has as part of the
A-league Licence given to NZF.

Err. . . no it is not.

The real wrong is not the FFA. They were very happy for Wellington Phoenix to represent A-league as they would have no doubt deserve one of the spots as a winner. They have another spot in which the other 7 franchise could get.

The problem does lies in with the AFC. They have clearly stated that Wellington Phoenix is an Oceania Club and therefore cannot participate in the ACL competition that is controlled by the AFC.

Wellington Phoenix has the FFA full support to pursuit access to the ACL.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

I think he's saying that for an international league, FIFA state that the FFA would need to approve Phoenix players. However, because the Nix are fully registered members (via NZF-held license), any Nix player is already registered and so it's not an international-league situation. So I think he was agreeing with you.... but it's not easy to be sure!

Err. . . lets try that again. You got it backwards.

The A-league is not a national league, it becomes an international league as soon as it allows an non-domestic team in the league.

FIFA simply states in their policies, that for any international team (i.e. an NZF team) in an international league (i.e. A-league) which is under control of a domestic board (i.e. FFA board), they must have that boards (i.e. FFA) approval to play in that league because they are under another national association body (i.e. NZF)

The FFA have provide the NZF an A-league licence after the NZ knight lost their A-League licence. (previously, the former NZS (now NZF) did not the A-League licence prior to this)

FFA board agreed to the recommendations that NZF have the A-League Licence and not belong to a NZ club, in order to allow NZF control/oversee the development of the NZ club to which they sub-let the licence to. This way, to prevent the club is getting into trouble (like the NZ knights), the NZF is able to pull their resources as well as having input of an advisory role to safeguard/prevent the same tragedy that befell the NZ knights before it becomes worse. And so certain measures are part of the criteria to initiate NZF action if certain requirements are not met by the club.

NZF was allowed to sub-let the A-league licence to a club to which they are satisfied will be capable to fulfill FFA approval. If a club was not found to be capable enough then, the FFA would pull the NZF provisional A-League licence away.

As it is, Terry backing the Wellington Phoenix bid satisfied both NZF and the FFA. So the FFA approved NZF the full A-League licence having to sub-let the licence to the Wellington Phoenix.

Now since Wellington Phoenix are sub-letting their licence from the NZF, the Wellington Phoenix players are registered with NZF and not FFA.

Since the FFA had approved an international team to play in their international league. This effectively means that the Wellington Phoenix players are exempted from registering with the FFA because they are under another national association (i.e. NZF). i.e. FFA approval is only for a non-domestic club and non-domestic players (not FFA registered) in their A-league competition. This is what the approval is for. Wellington Phoenix is an "FFA-approved" club for the A-league competition and is not a FFA- registered club.

Technically, Wellington Phoenix can have a team in the NZFC as well as the A-league, being a NZF registered club. But practically not possible without a lift on the number of squad players in the club in the A-league, so the club can not reuse the same players interchanging between the two competition. Although the club could technically have a semi-professional reserve team in the NZFC with the NZF approval, if they think it serves a developmental purpose. (a possible avenue into the O-league)

If the players and club are registered with the FFA, then no such approval is needed. But an approval is needed and has been made and so this is an acknowledgment by the FFA that the Wellington Phoenix is not a domestic team but an international team.

With the NZ knights, that was not the case. The NZ knights players were registered with the FFA because they had the full A-league licence and not the NZS. This is one of the problems that the NZS had with the NZ knight, the lack of accountability of the club to the NZS. With the Wellington Phoenix, the club has accountability to the NZF because that is where they get their sub-licence from. And then the NZF had accountability to the FFA for the Wellington Phoenix club.

If Wellington Phoenix are not up to scratch, then the NZF is able to pull the sub-licence away and put it up for another NZ team that can met the FFA approval.

Hence, the Wellington Phoenix players does not need an international clearance to register with the FFA, because the club is (defined by FIFA as) an international club. International teams in international leagues does not need to have their players registered in another association to the one that they are already registered to. Simply because the league is international and is not domestic, there is no reason for the players to register for that national association that is running the competition. Where they are registered with, does not affect the international competition.

The FFA approve an international team in their competition, making the A-league an international league and so exempting the players of international team from registering with them.

But the players being registered under the NZF (another national association) as part of their sub-let conditions, is then doubly exempted from registering to the FFA as the NZF has the A-league licence not the club.

Also, If the club is Australian, then Wellington Phoenix would all the rights to vote for the FFA board. This is clearly not the case. They are not Australian, they cannot vote in the FFA. They are not under the control of the FFA. AllWhitebelievr2008-08-29 02:13:26