anyone but the scum !Hard News2008-05-05 21:23:58
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Final Score; Kossa 3 Waitakere 1.
A great result for the Islanders, but traditionally they don't tend to travel well so Waitak still have a lot to play for. Jon Perry's goal might end up being very important.
If Waitak concede at home, I fear it will be curtains.
Apparently the star of the show was James Naka.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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Brillant result!!!
Three for me, and two for them.
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Buffon, you are a buffoon.
If Kossa get through, then it is not a good result for NZ football as a whole. Lose the one-eyed parochial standpoint and realise that $1M US injected into the football economy of the Solomons will only serve to ensure much more difficult pathways for future qualification to both FIFA club and international tournaments. And that includes your own ACFC.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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Nah id love Kossa to go through so waht Solomons need a bit of money if Kossa made it theyd deserve it i think its great for them. But seriosuly i think Waiatk will prob stuff em in the 2nd leg thansk to that own goal.
Three for me, and two for them.
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Nah id love Kossa to go through so waht Solomons need
a bit of money if Kossa made it theyd deserve it i think its great for
them.
You believe that about as much as you believe Waitakere deserve to be there. Jam makes a valid point. YOUR club benifit financially from a Waitakere win...
Pull your head in.
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This is football mate if you wanna use good for game excuse piss off and support
rugby u muppet! the clubs benefit by about 40k where as the scum will get a lot more than
that which will make them more attractive proposition when it comes were players are going to go next season so why would we wont them to win?
Do think Real Madrid wont Barcelona to win Champions League? or Liverpool will wont Chelsea to win
it or that River Plate wont Boca Juniors to win Copa Libertadores if they cant i don't think so
rugby u muppet! the clubs benefit by about 40k where as the scum will get a lot more than
that which will make them more attractive proposition when it comes were players are going to go next season so why would we wont them to win?
Do think Real Madrid wont Barcelona to win Champions League? or Liverpool will wont Chelsea to win
it or that River Plate wont Boca Juniors to win Copa Libertadores if they cant i don't think so
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This is football mate if you wanna use good for game excuse piss off and support
rugby u muppet! the clubs benefit by about 40k where as the scum will get a lot more than
that which will make them more attractive proposition when it comes were players are going to go next season so why would we wont them to win?
Do think Real Madrid wont Barcelona to win Champions League? or Liverpool will wont Chelsea to win
it or that River Plate wont Boca Juniors to win Copa Libertadores if they cant i don't think so
rugby u muppet! the clubs benefit by about 40k where as the scum will get a lot more than
that which will make them more attractive proposition when it comes were players are going to go next season so why would we wont them to win?
Do think Real Madrid wont Barcelona to win Champions League? or Liverpool will wont Chelsea to win
it or that River Plate wont Boca Juniors to win Copa Libertadores if they cant i don't think so
I knew some narrow-minded numbskull would bring up the Barca/Real Liverpool/Chelsea River Boca comparison. Congratulations MenapisDojo on being that very person.
That argument doesn't wear here, you are talking chalk and cheese when discussing the difference between La Liga/Premier League and the NZFC. And here's why.
For a start, Kossa winning through will have along-term detrimental effect on the All whites chances of qualifying for major tournaments. The money that came in to Solomon's football would be used a lot more equitably within their football structure than it is here. And that will benefit their player base, and in turn the national side.
Here in NZ and Oceania the game is far too small for Real/Barca type rivalries. Some of you Eurocentric types need to sever certain umbilical chords. You think it's big and clever to call Waitak "scum" (BTW, original insult, think of it all by yourself?) but the game here is too small to embrace such a culture.
Our real target should be other codes, not attacking ourselves from within. R*gby is on its knees right now and is there for the taking. But at the moment, Football is too small to divide itself. we should all want what is best for the game AND for the club. (Research the Nash Equilibrium if you thin k I'm wrong...)
And, incidently, your suggestion for me to "piss off and follow r*gby" proves to me that you have no idea who you are dealing with right here, so I won't take your insults personally, just as you shouldn't take mine that way.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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Waitak are scum couldnt care less whether thats original or not theyre scum end of. Couldnt handle the heat Danny? hahaha booo hoooo
Three for me, and two for them.
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You've clearly missed the point of my previous post, and, even more clearly, probably couldn't care less about it anyway. So what's the point of carrying this on, particularly when it appears we are dealing with a couple of the world's only living brain donors.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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Telfer talks football. Firstly, to Hay about the Honihara 'experience' (11.15 and 11.30)....and then about the 'soccer tragic' in his household (even now, Telfer still can't say that his son supports football). Pathetic really.
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Jam do you really think i give a toss "who i am dealing with here"?
and are you saying because we are in NZ i should be supporting our closest rival?
maybe thats why you support the Phoenix!!!
and are you saying because we are in NZ i should be supporting our closest rival?
maybe thats why you support the Phoenix!!!
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I thought the Phoenix weren't your rivals ? I thought we all supported an Australian club and it was our fault you struggle to get 300 people to home matches in the NZFC ?
Perhaps people support the Phoenix because most of the New Zealand football fan base apart from the 'Gray and Miserables' understand how it's step up. Hell even your club and the leagues best player worked his arse off playing for you because he knew he wanted to get to the next level. What next level I hear you ask ? Oh, the Phoenix.
I think a Kossa win would be bad for NZ football, but I don't think for an instant we should undermine the value in the Auckland clubs not winning it. Yes it would be good for NZ football a little, but nowhere near as good as it could be if the money wasn't wasted on empire building and ridiculous player salaries for what is supposedly an amateur league.
Still that's how most Auckland sides have worked... how much is a US1 Premier League title these days ?
Perhaps people support the Phoenix because most of the New Zealand football fan base apart from the 'Gray and Miserables' understand how it's step up. Hell even your club and the leagues best player worked his arse off playing for you because he knew he wanted to get to the next level. What next level I hear you ask ? Oh, the Phoenix.
I think a Kossa win would be bad for NZ football, but I don't think for an instant we should undermine the value in the Auckland clubs not winning it. Yes it would be good for NZ football a little, but nowhere near as good as it could be if the money wasn't wasted on empire building and ridiculous player salaries for what is supposedly an amateur league.
Still that's how most Auckland sides have worked... how much is a US1 Premier League title these days ?
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Don't bother lads.
Menapi's Dojo, earlier in the day.
Cue Ted, in 5...4...3...
Hard News2008-04-28 20:23:52
Menapi's Dojo, earlier in the day.
Cue Ted, in 5...4...3...
Hard News2008-04-28 20:23:52
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The O-League debate is clearly one that gets a few hot under the collar, and consequently not making a great deal of sense. Put simply, without the advent of the O-League and the football and monetary incentives that it offers, the standard of the NZFC would be considerably worse than it presently is.
NZF has done little or nothing to help promote the NZFC, its teams or its players. With the focus on the glory of FIFA tournaments, photo opportunities and friendlies against Brazil, the domestic game on all levels has been left to slowly sink in the mire.
The sniping at the Auckland teams is childish and misses the point, more teams need to operate on that same level and consequently lift the NZFC to a higher standard. Team Wellington has done that this year and have deservedly received plaudits from all quarters. Ask Raf, Sean Douglas, Stu Jacobs - any of the stand out performers in the team what motivates them to do well and stay in the game at the top level - it will almost certainly be the lure of the O-League, a trip to the FIFA World Cup and maybe a nice bonus to boot.
I imagine that is what is keeping the likes of Danny Hay, Neil Emblen, Jonathan Perry, Grant Young, Keryn Jordan, Graham Little and others (maybe Raf?) in the game and frankly they and others are head and shoulders ahead of most of the rest of the league. The times i saw Hay this year he was clearly the best player in the league, even at half pace these days.
But let's not forget the O-League has had a similar effect on the island teams too. Ba effectively 'bought' the national side for their tilt at glory last year, and it very nearly paid off. Kossa has also invested heavily in playing talent with a view to winning the O-League and the result on the weekend just might see them win the thing.
It is a myth to think the money finds its ways into player salaries and equally it doesn't fund the club for long into the future. For the record, the amount given last year by FIFA was $US500,000, not one million. The same will apply this year. Once NZF takes its share, the NZFC clubs their share and the rest is put into preparing for the World Club Cup (ask Auckland or Waitakere and they will tell you how much it cost them to go) quite frankly there is not a great deal left over to pay exhorbitant salaries.
Whatever the bitter feelings towards Auckland teams or salaries or whether Danny Hay is a nice bloke or not what cannot be questioned is that a win for Kossa is bad for NZF. For an organisation that is effectively bankrupt it can ill afford to lose any $$.
An earlier posting is quite right about the impact 500k would have in the Solomons, it would bankroll their game for a few years.
It might hurt to say it when thinking of an NZFC rivalry but when it comes to Waitakere against Kossa on the 11th, i am going to be taking my club scarf off and cheering for the NZ team.
Frankly i think anyone who doesn't has their heads in the sand.
Long live the O-League, may it improve the standard of the NZFC and attract even better players to our national competition - and in doing so lift the standard throughout the country.
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Got to say, most of the bitterness is between the two Auckland sides... which is even less logical. Certainly most of the people on here advocating cheering on Kossa are Auckland City supporters.
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Arent we a nice lot. We have a NZ team trying to win something internationally and small-minded people spend the whole time trying to belittle them and laughing at the loss. Grow up people NZ is a backwater in regards to football and all our teams need support WHEN they are playing outside our country. If you don't want to support then don't belittle because it shows more about yourself than it does of the NZ team you are running down.
Are you happy for the $$ to go to other countries? Are you happy that other countries within Oceania develop better than NZ and our chances are lessened? If you say yes then you aren't a supporter of football within NZ because your team needs to exist within the Framework in NZ. For the NZFC to improve, NZF needs to improve and that can only occur when the watching public grows.
In my selfish moments i want Waitak to go to Japan so Waikato gets some $$ that I hope will be used to allow my team to get better. If I had a choice of a NZ team winning or a team from another country then I would pick the NZ team regardless who that team was.
Are you a kiwi or not is the question?
Are you happy for the $$ to go to other countries? Are you happy that other countries within Oceania develop better than NZ and our chances are lessened? If you say yes then you aren't a supporter of football within NZ because your team needs to exist within the Framework in NZ. For the NZFC to improve, NZF needs to improve and that can only occur when the watching public grows.
In my selfish moments i want Waitak to go to Japan so Waikato gets some $$ that I hope will be used to allow my team to get better. If I had a choice of a NZ team winning or a team from another country then I would pick the NZ team regardless who that team was.
Are you a kiwi or not is the question?
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Hopefully next year Team Wellington will get to the O league play-offs. The Lawson Tama stadium in Honiara packed with 20 thousand Solomon Is. supporters, now there's a challenge for a YF white boy supporter.
Are there any pics of their away end?
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Don't think there was an away end
www.oceaniafootball.com seems to have lots of images etcMarama2008-04-29 16:30:21
www.oceaniafootball.com seems to have lots of images etcMarama2008-04-29 16:30:21
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if memory serves me well itd be the end of your being away...still go the Kossa!
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Jam do you really think i give a toss "who i am dealing with here"?
and are you saying because we are in NZ i should be supporting our closest rival?
maybe thats why you support the Phoenix!!!
and are you saying because we are in NZ i should be supporting our closest rival?
maybe thats why you support the Phoenix!!!
Jam do you really think i give a toss "who i am dealing with here"?
Probably not, but the irony of telling New Zealand's biggest r*gby hater (well, me and Grant) to piss off and support it really did annoy me.
And, no, I'm not saying you should support your closest rival, I'm merely trying to understand why you spend so much energy hating another NZ football team.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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It might hurt to say it when thinking of an NZFC rivalry but when it comes to Waitakere against Kossa on the 11th, i am going to be taking my club scarf off and cheering for the NZ team.
Frankly i think anyone who doesn't has their heads in the sand.
Thank you Wideleft for providing another voice of reason. Excellent post too, great reading.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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I thought the Phoenix weren't your rivals ? I thought we all supported an Australian club and it was our fault you struggle to get 300 people to home matches in the NZFC ?
Perhaps people support the Phoenix because most of the New Zealand football fan base apart from the 'Gray and Miserables' understand how it's step up. Hell even your club and the leagues best player worked his arse off playing for you because he knew he wanted to get to the next level. What next level I hear you ask ? Oh, the Phoenix.
I think a Kossa win would be bad for NZ football, but I don't think for an instant we should undermine the value in the Auckland clubs not winning it. Yes it would be good for NZ football a little, but nowhere near as good as it could be if the money wasn't wasted on empire building and ridiculous player salaries for what is supposedly an amateur league.
Still that's how most Auckland sides have worked... how much is a US1 Premier League title these days ?
Perhaps people support the Phoenix because most of the New Zealand football fan base apart from the 'Gray and Miserables' understand how it's step up. Hell even your club and the leagues best player worked his arse off playing for you because he knew he wanted to get to the next level. What next level I hear you ask ? Oh, the Phoenix.
I think a Kossa win would be bad for NZ football, but I don't think for an instant we should undermine the value in the Auckland clubs not winning it. Yes it would be good for NZ football a little, but nowhere near as good as it could be if the money wasn't wasted on empire building and ridiculous player salaries for what is supposedly an amateur league.
Still that's how most Auckland sides have worked... how much is a US1 Premier League title these days ?
The Phoenix are'nt our rivals i was talking about Waitakere theya NZ side playin in NZ who we play
regularly were as Phoenix play in an Australian and we will never play
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The Phoenix are'nt our rivals i was talking about Waitakere theya NZ side playin in NZ who we play regularly were as Phoenix play in an Australian and we will never play
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[QUOTE=MenapisDojo]Jam do you really think i give a toss "who i am dealing with here"?
and are you saying because we are in NZ i should be supporting our closest rival?
maybe thats why you support the Phoenix!!!
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[QUOTE=MenapisDojo]Jam do you really think i give a toss "who i am dealing with here"?
and are you saying because we are in NZ i should be supporting our closest rival?
maybe thats why you support the Phoenix!!!
Ummm... ah... okay... because (to me) you are saying that TheJam supports the Phoenix because he doesn't care about supporting his 'rivals'.
Perhaps you'd like to type a little more slowly and proof read if that isn't what you meant.
Thanks.
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Good call HN. Me? I've given up trying to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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"Perhaps you'd like to type a little more slowly and proof read if that isn't what you meant."
DRX, this sounds very much like the recipe required to resolve the problem we encountered far too often for comfort's sake on another forum, involving someone from another planet (I think you know all too well who I mean!!)
Perhaps this guy's a relative ... 
!!
!!Cheers,
JR
PS Trust that info you received off-list was what you were after?
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Exactly what I needed JR. Thanks.
Just waiting on the Aussies to give me the Phoenix back. Until then Oceania has my full attention.
Just waiting on the Aussies to give me the Phoenix back. Until then Oceania has my full attention.
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There's a hard-core of ACFC fans who seem so determined to make themselves and their club look stupid that you at least have to admire their persistence.
It just seems sad for ACFC that they've achieved quite a lot but are still seen as a bit of a laughing stock outside Auckland, all thanks to muppets like MenapisDojo.
It just seems sad for ACFC that they've achieved quite a lot but are still seen as a bit of a laughing stock outside Auckland, all thanks to muppets like MenapisDojo.
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There is one small piece of irony that can't be understated here I think.
If the the O-League was disbanded (i.e. no tournament, no WCC, no money) the same people here that are saying 'Go Kossa, f**k Waitakere/Rex' (generalisation: ACFC supporters) would be the first to bitch about the prizemoney being taken away from them and their clubs chance to get it....
Either way, the opinion supporting Kossa (unless you are actually from the Solomons) comes from a position of ignorance and small mindedness and only adds further fuel to the ideal that this country has no idea about football and how to run it and is precisely why FIFA has told us to sort our WCC representative out in the first bloody place
Agent 472008-04-29 21:40:40
If the the O-League was disbanded (i.e. no tournament, no WCC, no money) the same people here that are saying 'Go Kossa, f**k Waitakere/Rex' (generalisation: ACFC supporters) would be the first to bitch about the prizemoney being taken away from them and their clubs chance to get it....
Either way, the opinion supporting Kossa (unless you are actually from the Solomons) comes from a position of ignorance and small mindedness and only adds further fuel to the ideal that this country has no idea about football and how to run it and is precisely why FIFA has told us to sort our WCC representative out in the first bloody place
Agent 472008-04-29 21:40:40
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There's a hard-core of ACFC fans who seem so determined to make themselves and their club look stupid that you at least have to admire their persistence.
It just seems sad for ACFC that they've achieved quite a lot but are still seen as a bit of a laughing stock outside Auckland, all thanks to muppets like MenapisDojo.
It just seems sad for ACFC that they've achieved quite a lot but are still seen as a bit of a laughing stock outside Auckland, all thanks to muppets like MenapisDojo.
Got to disagree here.
Unless you live in that pox hole (Auckland) you have no right to judge their feuding.
Calling someone muppet is not only racist but likely to get you a slot on Campbell live.
Last season some Gonzo in milking country gave up football because an opposition coach called one of his team mates muppet.
Good mind to report you to the muppet police.
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Got to disagree here.
Unless you live in that pox hole (Auckland) you have no right to judge their feuding.
Calling someone muppet is not only racist but likely to get you a slot on Campbell live.
Last season some Gonzo in milking country gave up football because an opposition coach called one of his team mates muppet.
Good mind to report you to the muppet police.
You're right. I am clearly discriminating against the mentally disabled so I apologise.
If any ACFC fans want to go along to the second leg and support Kossa then they should be able to do so without fear of being mocked or ridiculed. It will also be a nice day out for them and their carers.
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Don't think there was an away end
www.oceaniafootball.com seems to have lots of images etc
www.oceaniafootball.com seems to have lots of images etc
Thanks M. the pics show a great venue to go to.
I'll see if Les from Sydney FC has been there yet.
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lots of seats for phoenix fans ....as there is at most finals....
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GO WAITAK GO GO WAITAK GO
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[QUOTE=uncloz]lots of seats for phoenix fans ....as there is at most finals....
Incidentally Loz, I'm sure you know what you meant here, but it really makes no sense to me or anyone else.
If it is a dig at the Phoenix, it makes no sense, if it's a dig at Waitak, it makes no sense... are you saying no one turns up to NZFC finals ? Because that to me is beating up your own club... how about you try again ?
Hard News2008-05-05 16:36:04
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I quite like the deals the club have got for the final, most people will be getting in for free which shows they're taking a big interest in having fans at games.
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will you pay for our flights so we can provide some atmosphere for you?
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GO WAITAK GO GO WAITAK GO
Cmon Rex you can do better....
Three for me, and two for them.
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I quite like the deals the club have got for the final, most people will be getting in for free which shows they're taking a big interest in having fans at games.
Sitting with Ytuck fans....its just like being at the rugby
A dog with a bone :)
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