OFC have set the Champions League quota as 3 foreign + 1 Oceania player per match day squad.
NZ Football have shifted to 7 foreign + 1 Oceania player per match day squad.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/94...
Could be problematic for City, that.
OFC have set the Champions League quota as 3 foreign + 1 Oceania player per match day squad.
NZ Football have shifted to 7 foreign + 1 Oceania player per match day squad.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/94...
Could be problematic for City, that.
certainly a bit of a challenge for the O-League, shouldn't be too bad for the Premiership.
Hope this doesn't coincide with an end-of-season OFC CL again, so the two Kiwi teams can just bring in the best of the rest.
OFC CL will now be interesting, big thing for me is whether ACFC just go 7+1 during the national league, then change, or whether they feel the need to blood Kiwis during the NL first.
It still seems ridiculous that a team can start a national league game here with as few as 3 kiwi players.
OFC have set the Champions League quota as 3 foreign + 1 Oceania player per match day squad.
NZ Football have shifted to 7 foreign + 1 Oceania player per match day squad.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/94...
Could be problematic for City, that.
The one way around that I can envisage is a lot of the foreigners have been here for 5+ years so could apply for citizenship if they wanted to.
Hope this doesn't coincide with an end-of-season OFC CL again, so the two Kiwi teams can just bring in the best of the rest.
OFC CL will now be interesting, big thing for me is whether ACFC just go 7+1 during the national league, then change, or whether they feel the need to blood Kiwis during the NL first.
end of the day our national league needs a O-League winner, so as much as i feel for the island teams, tough shark.
Hope this doesn't coincide with an end-of-season OFC CL again, so the two Kiwi teams can just bring in the best of the rest.
OFC CL will now be interesting, big thing for me is whether ACFC just go 7+1 during the national league, then change, or whether they feel the need to blood Kiwis during the NL first.
end of the day our national league needs a O-League winner, so as much as i feel for the island teams, tough shark.
That being said our teams should be able to win the OFC Champions League relying on local talent.
Hope this doesn't coincide with an end-of-season OFC CL again, so the two Kiwi teams can just bring in the best of the rest.
OFC CL will now be interesting, big thing for me is whether ACFC just go 7+1 during the national league, then change, or whether they feel the need to blood Kiwis during the NL first.
end of the day our national league needs a O-League winner, so as much as i feel for the island teams, tough shark.
That being said our teams should be able to win the OFC Champions League relying on local talent.
agree - was more at the point above that our two OFC teams should be able to grab the best of the kiwi talent if it's an end of season OFC CL again.
Hope this doesn't coincide with an end-of-season OFC CL again, so the two Kiwi teams can just bring in the best of the rest.
OFC CL will now be interesting, big thing for me is whether ACFC just go 7+1 during the national league, then change, or whether they feel the need to blood Kiwis during the NL first.
end of the day our national league needs a O-League winner, so as much as i feel for the island teams, tough shark.
That being said our teams should be able to win the OFC Champions League relying on local talent.
agree - was more at the point above that our two OFC teams should be able to grab the best of the kiwi talent if it's an end of season OFC CL again.
i for one prefer it when things aren't a joke
Hope this doesn't coincide with an end-of-season OFC CL again, so the two Kiwi teams can just bring in the best of the rest.
OFC CL will now be interesting, big thing for me is whether ACFC just go 7+1 during the national league, then change, or whether they feel the need to blood Kiwis during the NL first.
end of the day our national league needs a O-League winner, so as much as i feel for the island teams, tough shark.
That being said our teams should be able to win the OFC Champions League relying on local talent.
agree - was more at the point above that our two OFC teams should be able to grab the best of the kiwi talent if it's an end of season OFC CL again.
i for one prefer it when things aren't a joke
I have no issue with one or two mercenaries from other teams to be brought in but they shouldn't be able to make wholesale changes clubs in the Champions League should at least resemble the squad that took part in the ISPS Handa Premiership.
Totally agree. That is going to make kiwi players who have proven themselves as regular starters at this level worth their weight in gold.
In Auckland City's case one of the obvious places where they can free up a spot is at goalkeeper there isn't really a need to go foreign in that position when you have Danyon Drake and Jacob Spoonley on your books.
Hope this doesn't coincide with an end-of-season OFC CL again, so the two Kiwi teams can just bring in the best of the rest.
OFC CL will now be interesting, big thing for me is whether ACFC just go 7+1 during the national league, then change, or whether they feel the need to blood Kiwis during the NL first.
end of the day our national league needs a O-League winner, so as much as i feel for the island teams, tough shark.
That being said our teams should be able to win the OFC Champions League relying on local talent.
agree - was more at the point above that our two OFC teams should be able to grab the best of the kiwi talent if it's an end of season OFC CL again.
i for one prefer it when things aren't a joke
sure perfect world you don't have to but the risk of not winning the O-League is pretty real, esp with only 3 Visa players so if they need the other clubs kiwis players to ensure a kiwi club win then so be it.
Probably just semantics anyway as it will probably be a mid season O-League again?
It is a mid season O League...
Have the island teams had many foreigners in their squads?
The Island teams vary a bit in the implications.
Fiji have a current policy of no imports - this has had an impact on their performance in recent times.
Vanuatu - Amicale used to have a lot that just came in for the OCL , but I'm not sure if they have qualified.
The PNG teams , particularly Hekari, used to have a lot of imports , mostly from other Oceania countries..
Not sure how Tahiti and New Caledonia work with the french thing ?
Solomons - don't think they had many imports.
For a midseason champions league, that creates an issue because of the amount of teams a player can sign for in a calendar window. How ACFC and TW find calibre players that come in for champs league assuming they stick with their import quotas for the NZFC will be interesting.
I think its a good move and NZF have to follow suit quickly. At least tell the teams its reducing to 5 next year and 3 after that so any players 'signed' can be phased out as part of nature contract expiry.
Reckon they'll bring it in at the end of this season - all the licenses are up for renewal at the end of the 2017/18 season, so franchises have to fall in line with what NZ Football want.
This will have a huge impact on how a team like Auckland City shape there squad going forward the only Kiwis worth keeping are Lewis and Hudson/Wihongi the rest are rubbish and we will get to see how well Ramon can coach. You can bet that Ivan Vuksich will be moving his office into the immigration offices.This a good move by OFC and NZ Football must move fast and fall in line with the same quota.I dare say City will just sign two squads 46 players pay them heaps to keep them all quiet and kid them that they are all in line to go to the World Club Cup. Happy days ahead.
Looking at Team Wellington's starting line-up for the majority of last season saw them line up with 6 or 7 foreigners in the whole match day squad (not sure if Zambrano or Jackson have citizenship).
They will have no issue meeting NZ football's quota, and only a little issue with the O-League's quota.
Auckland on the other hand will definitely struggle in both regards based on last season's squad. I'm sure their Kiwi player recruitment will go into overdrive these next few weeks
the main benefit of the generous foreign quota was that the Oceania representative would be competitive at the world club champs
i am guessing that because it only effects 'match day squads' that in theory a club can carry as many foreigners as they like, field 7 or 8 in the Handa Premiership, 3 in the OFC champions league and then 11 in the world club champs (? - I have no idea about the WCC rules)
also, have they defined 'foreign'? i do believe that in the past the Handa Premiership has required that 3 players 'who are eligible to represent New Zealand' must be in the starting XI.
also also, it would be good if NZF published squad lists with each players status in this regard
the main benefit of the generous foreign quota was that the Oceania representative would be competitive at the world club champs
i am guessing that because it only effects 'match day squads' that in theory a club can carry as many foreigners as they like, field 7 or 8 in the Handa Premiership, 3 in the OFC champions league and then 11 in the world club champs (? - I have no idea about the WCC rules)
also, have they defined 'foreign'? i do believe that in the past the Handa Premiership has required that 3 players 'who are eligible to represent New Zealand' must be in the starting XI.
also also, it would be good if NZF published squad lists with each players status in this regard
national league rule has been 8 foreigners, 8 nzers in md squads, and nzer = nz citizen, not neccesarily AWs eligible
'To be counted as a local, a player needs to have NZ citizenship.' - www.stuff.co.NZ
In the ACFC squad Tade has been here 10 years, Taku 9 years, White 8 years, Riera 7 years, Berlanga 7 years, Bilen 5 years, Moreira 3 years, Kim 3 years....
Depends though, it's 5 years worth from when you've got permanent residency (going through the wait myself at the minute) which won't include time they've spent out of the country - say visiting family, Club World Cup, OFC Champions League etc etc.
Reckon Tade, Angel, Taku and Darren will be alright if they get their paperwork done.
Not sure about the other three.
Jerzy i think the only player in that group who would and should get citizenship would be white the rest have spent time out of the country playing in pro leagues or just going home and then returning.most of them are to slow now to bother about them anyway.
Jerzy i think the only player in that group who would and should get citizenship would be white the rest have spent time out of the country playing in pro leagues or just going home and then returning.most of them are to slow now to bother about them anyway.
...time out of NZ then returning, being too slow... hey that's me you talkin' bout!
For a midseason champions league, that creates an issue because of the amount of teams a player can sign for in a calendar window. How ACFC and TW find calibre players that come in for champs league assuming they stick with their import quotas for the NZFC will be interesting.
I think its a good move and NZF have to follow suit quickly. At least tell the teams its reducing to 5 next year and 3 after that so any players 'signed' can be phased out as part of nature contract expiry.
While allowing five foreign players might work okay, reducing it to three for the national league is unrealistic and will result in a mediocre competition.
Canterbury United would struggle since so many of Canterbury's best footballers are British born, as they always have been over the decades.
Not sure if even guys like Tom Schwarz or Dan Terris have NZ citizenship.
Current Canterbury Utd squad (confirmed signings for next season):
Coey Turipa, Danny Knight, Stephen Hoyle (English), Aaron Clapham, Cory Mitchell, Sean Liddicoat, Andreas Wilson, Aaron Spain, Dan Terris (English).
Likely to re-sign: Tom Schwarz (English), Sean Morris (American), Juan Chang (Guatemalan) and Gary Ogilvie (English)
The most promising teenager in Canterbury is Cashmere Technical winger Lyle Matthysen who only has a South African passport. Now aged 18, has lived in Chch since aged six. Right now he is classed as a foreigner, a similar situation to fellow South African immigrant Ryan de Vries at Auckland City.
'To be counted as a local, a player needs to have NZ citizenship.' - www.stuff.co.NZ
In the ACFC squad Tade has been here 10 years, Taku 9 years, White 8 years, Riera 7 years, Berlanga 7 years, Bilen 5 years, Moreira 3 years, Kim 3 years....
Darren White's situation is more complicated - similar to Shane Smeltz.
He's lived in NZ a lot longer than 8 years and secured permanent residency as a child when he immigrated with his parents from the UK. He settled in Auckland and went to Auckland Grammar before leaving for Germany to play for Hansa Rostock aged only 14 and spent four and a half years playing youth football in Germany with team mates like Toni Kroos.
White returned to NZ aged 18 in 2007 and played for Waikato FC
He then returned to Germany to play for Hansa Rostock u-19, transferred to Blackburn Rovers u-18 for a short spell, than back to German youth football briefly.
In 2008 White then went to live in England where his parents had relocated and played for Frome Town.
In July 2011 he returned to NZ and signed for Canterbury United:
I hope clubs and NZF can do a bit more to promote who is an import and who isn't.
I hope clubs and NZF can do a bit more to promote who is an import and who isn't.
Every club will be frantically reviewing their player list.
For me, its a player that is eligible to represent NZ. If they are here 5 years and become domiciled (I guess Riera is the best example that comes close) than fair play as they will be eligible to represent NZ.
No need to make it complicated. Just follow FIFA logic.
Suspect Angel Berlanga may not qualify right now either, he had January to November/December 2013 in India and you've got to have spent at least 240 days per year in NZ in the last five years.
Possibly the same for Tade who went back to Argentina in 2015.
Mario Bilen arrived in 2013, so he'll be on the verge of qualifying as long as he hasn't had too long out of the country.
Dordevic, Kim and Moreira arrived here in 2014, so they're a year or two away from qualifying but I know Marko's had a while back in Serbia in the meantime.
Takuya probably qualifies this year, as he arrived in 2012.
Tavano has been here since he was 12, so he'll probably qualify.
Nuff said about Zubikarai.
Past this season the other mitigating factor is age. You probably wouldn't have expected Takuya or Marko to keep going much longer anyway, while by the end of this season all the others (besides Tavano) will be over 30. Now they just have to replace a few of them with locals.
I'm surprised Auckland City aren't able to lure the best Kiwis from the other teams north, guys like Joel Stevens, Justin Gulley etc.. Club World Cup, OFC Champions League gives them reasonable pulling power, surely?
I think Riera, TAHW and Howieson give them an incredible base to work with in midfield, particularly if they somehow keep hold of Clayton Lewis too but they really need to sign some NZ defenders?
Danyon Drake probably deserves a shot in goal.
I doubt it has much to do with not being able to, far more likely that Ramon doesn't rate them over the foreigners he has in those positions.
When squads are finalised, it would be great to see the full list by squad of NZ eligible players (and their ages); especially if 'the Handy' or whatever it is called is where All Whites are made.
I'm surprised Auckland City aren't able to lure the best Kiwis from the other teams north, guys like Joel Stevens, Justin Gulley etc.. Club World Cup, OFC Champions League gives them reasonable pulling power, surely?
I think Riera, TAHW and Howieson give them an incredible base to work with in midfield, particularly if they somehow keep hold of Clayton Lewis too but they really need to sign some NZ defenders?
Danyon Drake probably deserves a shot in goal.
You reckon some of those players haven't been entertained by ACFC? TW have OFC Football too aye.
I'm surprised Auckland City aren't able to lure the best Kiwis from the other teams north, guys like Joel Stevens, Justin Gulley etc.. Club World Cup, OFC Champions League gives them reasonable pulling power, surely?
I think Riera, TAHW and Howieson give them an incredible base to work with in midfield, particularly if they somehow keep hold of Clayton Lewis too but they really need to sign some NZ defenders?
Danyon Drake probably deserves a shot in goal.
8 Kiwis in Ramon's starting X1 v Hamilton on Sunday
Good to see. Makes supporting them at the Club World Cup a bit easier when the team is full of Kiwis.
I just meant in the past, it was strange they relied so much on journeymen foreigners when, due to their success, they should have had enough pulling power to convince top Kiwis there.
Good to see. Makes supporting them at the Club World Cup a bit easier when the team is full of Kiwis.
I just meant in the past, it was strange they relied so much on journeymen foreigners when, due to their success, they should have had enough pulling power to convince top Kiwis there.
Journeymen foreigners are prepared to train five times a week not all Kiwis were/are
