NZ reach WC again,
more people may interested in NZ football
when will NZ start professional league ?
many Asian countries have professional leagues now
more people may interested in NZ football
when will NZ start professional league ?
many Asian countries have professional leagues now
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Definitely not.
NZF confirmed today that the NZFC would continue pretty much unchanged, except perhaps with more stringently policed criteria for participating clubs and a possible expansion to ten teams.
NZF confirmed today that the NZFC would continue pretty much unchanged, except perhaps with more stringently policed criteria for participating clubs and a possible expansion to ten teams.
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Small steps. New Zealand couldn't fund, nor has the players with enough ability to have a pro league.
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We can barely maintain an amateur league financially.
Allegedly
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Certainly can't see NZ ever being in a position to have its own professional league. I think the best we can hope for is to see another A-League team from Auckland or Christchurch. However, I do like the idea of expanding the NZFC to 10 teams. I know many are sceptical of whether the playing depth is there or not, but getting other centres involved would help to spread the popularity of the league. Stricter criteria too, is a step forward.
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can top giants like Auckland City, Waitakere Utd become professional clubs first?
all players have full-time contract
other clubs keep semi-pro or amateur ......
all players have full-time contract
other clubs keep semi-pro or amateur ......
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Great idea,and make the gap between those 2 and the rest of the league even greater.
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Definitely not.
NZF confirmed today that the NZFC would continue pretty much unchanged, except perhaps with more stringently policed criteria for participating clubs and a possible expansion to ten teams.
NZF confirmed today that the NZFC would continue pretty much unchanged, except perhaps with more stringently policed criteria for participating clubs and a possible expansion to ten teams.
More stringently policed....Ha waitaks stadium looks good eh?? after 5 yrs saying trusts stadiums coming ,their back to a park...I have full confidence all the cash will be gone by the next world cup and things will be as they always are...where by the way is this statement ?
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Certainly can't see NZ ever being in a position to have its own professional league. I think the best we can hope for is to see another A-League team from Auckland or Christchurch. However, I do like the idea of expanding the NZFC to 10 teams. I know many are sceptical of whether the playing depth is there or not, but getting other centres involved would help to spread the popularity of the league. Stricter criteria too, is a step forward.
Or obeying the present criteria ...that might help , s**%ting a certain league manager would probably be a quantum leap forward (*)
Ahh I get so cross...
*And yes I know just how small a leap of that size is...
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I love your passion for the NZFC Uncloz, even if I don't love the negativity you have towards everything else.
That statement was in a Herald on Sunday story. I don't have a link sorry. They were interviewing Frank van Hattum after NZF's Board meeting on Saturday. He confirmed NZFC to be continued with, which I think is a good decision (a lot to be said for not chucking out baby with bathwater).
Ten teams also a good call.
Now that the playing field is fixed the rest of us need to catch up with City and United.
I only watched a half but City looked so much quicker and better against TeeDub on Saturday.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Van Hattums statement tells me he does not know what to do!!
why would you keep and extend a league that has clubs struggling financially( although the nzfa probably makes money out of the travel budget) Average crowds in the 200 region at best.Its illogical.
The clubs throughout NZ should stop being like lemmings and set up their own football league!!
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LOL at the idea of a Super League.
Don't forget clubs struggled with SuperClub and previous leagues too. I'm told there has been a money problem ever since the end of tobacco sponsorship.
NZFC has greatest chance of success on a lot of levels. Sounds like the Board is committed to making it viable. Stability is important.
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Definitely not.
NZF confirmed today that the NZFC would continue pretty much unchanged, except perhaps with more stringently policed criteria for participating clubs and a possible expansion to ten teams.
NZF confirmed today that the NZFC would continue pretty much unchanged, except perhaps with more stringently policed criteria for participating clubs and a possible expansion to ten teams.
Great News, needs work, alot of work, but at least the right short term decision (IMHO). Definately will not go pro but small steps towards treating it that way would be nice, A good use of the WCQ money would be to employ some highly qualified business/marketing managers for the league. The product suddenly became much more marketable remember and as such a step towards more professionalism in terms of set up would be great.
PS, talking to alot of national league players over the weekend, and all to a man say they would love to play NZFC for a normal season length 20-30 games and ditch what was universally regarded as waste of time winter football. Most said that all club football served to do was get them into bad habits and make them worse players.
PPS should this be in the structure thread?
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Van Hattums statement tells me he does not know what to do!!
why would you keep and extend a league that has clubs struggling financially( although the nzfa probably makes money out of the travel budget) Average crowds in the 200 region at best.Its illogical.
The clubs throughout NZ should stop being like lemmings and set up their own football league!!
This will be my last post to you because we will never see eye to eye, but it seems you have a short memeory and do not remeber that we had your propoosed structure, and we had 50 people watching a lower standard of football and clubs were running themeselves into the ground financially in a league that NO ONE aspired to play in. (i went through the youth system during club national league)
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I think your problem is that turner has a VERY long memory and remembers the tobacco funded halcyon days of the late 70's and early 80's and thinks that is the grand solution when in fact things have changed since then and a sponsor like that doesn't exist for our game.
Sure we could take millions of the world cup money and fund clubs up to the eyeballs for a couple of years, but if we don't make the next world cup and that money is gone we're left with having to rebuild from scratch again.
A classic way to fail to learn from earlier mistakes.
Sure we could take millions of the world cup money and fund clubs up to the eyeballs for a couple of years, but if we don't make the next world cup and that money is gone we're left with having to rebuild from scratch again.
A classic way to fail to learn from earlier mistakes.
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I still stand by the belief that ALL football in NZ apart from the Phoenix should be amateur.
This for the simple fact that there never will be that much money floating about, and what there is would be better spent on developing youth, facilities and coaching/management.
If rugby is struggling financially right now, football has no show. The WC payout no doubt end up going towards clearing NZF debts, ala SPARC, who bailed it out.
This for the simple fact that there never will be that much money floating about, and what there is would be better spent on developing youth, facilities and coaching/management.
If rugby is struggling financially right now, football has no show. The WC payout no doubt end up going towards clearing NZF debts, ala SPARC, who bailed it out.
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The WC payout no doubt end up going towards clearing NZF debts, ala SPARC, who bailed it out.
Dont forget that we, the clubs, also bailed them out through the increase in fees.
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I think your problem is that turner has a VERY long memory and remembers the tobacco funded halcyon days of the late 70's and early 80's and thinks that is the grand solution when in fact things have changed since then and a sponsor like that doesn't exist for our game.
Sure we could take millions of the world cup money and fund clubs up to the eyeballs for a couple of years, but if we don't make the next world cup and that money is gone we're left with having to rebuild from scratch again.
A classic way to fail to learn from earlier mistakes.
Sure we could take millions of the world cup money and fund clubs up to the eyeballs for a couple of years, but if we don't make the next world cup and that money is gone we're left with having to rebuild from scratch again.
A classic way to fail to learn from earlier mistakes.
While I agree we cant afford a professional comp, surely its not too much to expect that we could find a better sponsor now that football in this country has shown it has enormous potential?
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Who knows, its a pretty tough sponsorship market out there at the moment.
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Can't afford itFC_Shaza2009-12-14 15:57:33
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Despite the NZFC's amateur status, the richest clubs will continue to look for ways to get their best players on professional terms (by hook or by crook), and this will put pressure on their rivals to follow suit. You can read those tea leaves as you will, but it seems like the trend leads toward a professional league.
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Despite the NZFC's amateur status, the richest clubs will continue to look for ways to get their best players on professional terms (by hook or by crook), and this will put pressure on their rivals to follow suit. You can read those tea leaves as you will, but it seems like the trend leads toward a professional league.
Based on the report NZF released yesterday, it seems now that they are going to have a baord rp on each team to insure that no player payment goes on.
And yes, given the achievements of the AWs and ACFC in the last two months you would think that a decent sponsor might be found.
disco_mart2009-12-23 01:13:13
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Excuse my ignorance, but what are the actual differences between a Amatuer and Professional League?
I remember the days back in the mid 90's when players at East Coast Bays were getting paid a minimum of $80 a game. How did that work?
If there are some unorthodox ways of indirectly rewarding players at the moment, and now with the above mentioned "Based on the report NZF released yesterday, it seems now that they are going to have a baord rep on each team to insure that no player payment goes on." would that mean less "reward" for the players, thus less incentive to put the time in for the clubs etc and lower the standard overall.
Do Players in the NZFC actually get anything at the moment? Are the limits on what is allowed and not allowed?
LondonChris2009-12-30 23:28:33If we build it, they will come...
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Do Players in the NZFC actually get anything at the moment? Are the limits on what is allowed and not allowed?
Only the Auckland teams get paid.
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As an amateur competition officially no one does.
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Except the piss poor media hacks.
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[QUOTE=LondonChris]
Do Players in the NZFC actually get anything at the moment? Are the limits on what is allowed and not allowed?
Only the Auckland teams get paid. ...... be interesting to see how much Auckland City get from TRUSTS THIS YEAR.....
...ONE PRO TEAM IN THE LEAGUE now... they can now let the Phoenix reserves into this league
ChopperHarris2010-01-03 20:42:32...ONE PRO TEAM IN THE LEAGUE now... they can now let the Phoenix reserves into this league
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[QUOTE=LondonChris]
Do Players in the NZFC actually get anything at the moment? Are the limits on what is allowed and not allowed?
Only the Auckland teams get paid. ...... be interesting to see how much Auckland City get from TRUSTS THIS YEAR........ONE PRO TEAM IN THE LEAGUE now... they can now let the Phoenix reserves into this league
...ONE PRO TEAM IN THE LEAGUE now... they can now let the Phoenix reserves into this leagueFFS...why limit yourself , ya retard , get the phoenix in there ...they might win something....
you can go on supporting some pom team and whining about how rough life is....
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Errr, I don't follow that angry rant uncloz...care to explain it for me?
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I just get tired of twats trying to drag everyone down to their [pygmy ] level.whining and whinging , probably never seen a local game in his life , desperate to be somewhere else....embrace NZ footy...
and build the game up here...
and build the game up here...
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I read it's impossible to have a professional league now or in the near future,so I hope just we'll get another team in the A-league and the reserves team for us.
I think somebody want to develop NZ football after good results in the WC...so I hope to have an Auckland or a Christchurch-based team in the A-league soon.
I think somebody want to develop NZ football after good results in the WC...so I hope to have an Auckland or a Christchurch-based team in the A-league soon.
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My perfect scenario woul be A League teams in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. All 3 with reserve teams playing in the A league reserve competition. Eligibility remains as now - Kiwis in Kiwi teams are not classed as imports.
NZFC remains amateur.
We remain in OFC.
I'm given free season tickets to all 3 NZ teams in the A League.
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I think they need two more NZFC teams. One in Nelsen and one in Hawkes Bay. Advertise it a little more, maybe a bit of tv coverage. Similar to the NBL (national basketball league) which isn't a professional competition. Football is bigger than basketball in NZ yet they seem to get huge crowds to some games.
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There is already one in Hawkes Bay...
I also suspect basketball is professional. US and Aus players don't come here for free.
I also suspect basketball is professional. US and Aus players don't come here for free.
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There is already one in Hawkes Bay...
I also suspect basketball is professional. US and Aus players don't come here for free.
I also suspect basketball is professional. US and Aus players don't come here for free.
There are a lot of players who don't get anything, the only ones really earning money would be the imports plus tall blacks who would still have to play for the breakers or have a full time job.
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My perfect scenario woul be A League teams in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. All 3 with reserve teams playing in the A league reserve competition. Eligibility remains as now - Kiwis in Kiwi teams are not classed as imports.
NZFC remains amateur.
We remain in OFC.
That would be ideal (first two paragraphs) and I'd think the game would make significant strides if that were the case. Not so sure about the OFC comment, though.
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I think they need two more NZFC teams. One in Nelsen and one in Hawkes Bay. Advertise it a little more, maybe a bit of tv coverage. Similar to the NBL (national basketball league) which isn't a professional competition. Football is bigger than basketball in NZ yet they seem to get huge crowds to some games.
AMETUER:
Teams need to be where the populations are. Cities like Napier (popn 60,000) cannot support professional teams, that's for sure. So the Ametuer focus is the only sustainable one, if the "regional" route is to be followed. By regional, I mean the idea that teams should be spatially located to reflect the different areas of the country.
PROFESSIONAL:
If you want a professional game, then you need clubs where the populations are, in order to supply the spectator numbers (players can relocate, that's what happens with professionals, you don't need to locate clubs where the players are, but where the fans are).
Just look at the English districts/towns that have populations around 60,000... What level of team can these places support? 1 club per ~100,000 works in the UK, where footy is the number one sport. In NZ, this might be something more like 1 club per ~300,000?
So you're looking at
Greater Auckland: 3, possibly 4 clubs
Wellington: 1 club (remembering that Phoenix already claim a significant share of the WGTN club football market)
Christchurch: 1 club
Dunedin/Invercargill/southland (combined): 1 club
Hamilton/Waikato/Tauranga (combined): 1 club
That's it, 7 clubs. The other regions just don't have the densities/ numbers to support the professional game.
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Basketball is semi-professional.
Very short season however, so couldn't make a living out of the NBL.
Very short season however, so couldn't make a living out of the NBL.
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