Really? That's just bloody stupid.
And so very different from the rest of the season.......
Finally found the franchise agreement thing online. NZF pay for 18 travelers and provide the cover for the match day Programme.
Aside from that, there are plenty of rules and fines.
Given that three teams are in Auckland, and I've seen players drive themselves to games on the other side of Auckland; travel would cost NZF less than $100k. NZF don't have to pay for the ground. There is a $400k gap which needs explaining.
It's not obvious how a website and a media person cost $400k when, the same person and website serve several other levels of the game.
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All football clubs at league level [Northern, Central, Mpl, Spl] and administrators of ASB Premiership and this includes NZF are very backward in promoting the sport.
Motorsport has less numbers competing in all it's forms in NZ but look at the TV time slots sky and free to air + news coverage of that sport.
Why? because the people competing or admining the various aspects get out from under the desk and do some leg work to get exposure, plus put their own money on the table.
Giltrap, Pero, Quinn, Graham, just to name a few who have put money or services on the sport.
Name one football person putting plenty of skin in other than the Wellnix guys and Dawkins.
Wellnix are at a level that we are not complaining about lack of action this is about the ASB Premiership and NZF in all it's dealings.
Morgan is correct to keep having a dig at them all at NZF.
Compare the Tennis coverage Radio and TV from a couple of weeks ago to what ASB get from NZF.
Next board meeting question. EH which one will we sponsor for the next twenty years? Only one and doesn't have an F.
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" It's not obvious how a website and a media person cost $400k when, the same person and website serve several other levels of the game."
Maybe they are a very good media person ...with an excellent ,comprehensive and up to date website ....
or are we talking about NZF ?
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There is probably a bit more than that. Its a bit simplistic to suggest that there is a 400k hole. What do the local guys get for the match up dates - N Bomb? What do the refs get? Travel for them?
There are more than a few variables I am sure
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All football clubs at league level [Northern, Central, Mpl, Spl] and administrators of ASB Premiership and this includes NZF are very backward in promoting the sport.
Motorsport has less numbers competing in all it's forms in NZ but look at the TV time slots sky and free to air + news coverage of that sport.
Why? because the people competing or admining the various aspects get out from under the desk and do some leg work to get exposure, plus put their own money on the table.
Giltrap, Pero, Quinn, Graham, just to name a few who have put money or services on the sport.
Name one football person putting plenty of skin in other than the Wellnix guys and Dawkins.
Wellnix are at a level that we are not complaining about lack of action this is about the ASB Premiership and NZF in all it's dealings.
Morgan is correct to keep having a dig at them all at NZF.
Compare the Tennis coverage Radio and TV from a couple of weeks ago to what ASB get from NZF.
Next board meeting question. EH which one will we sponsor for the next twenty years? Only one and doesn't have an F.
+1. Well said.
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All football clubs at league level [Northern, Central, Mpl, Spl] and administrators of ASB Premiership and this includes NZF are very backward in promoting the sport.
Motorsport has less numbers competing in all it's forms in NZ but look at the TV time slots sky and free to air + news coverage of that sport.
Why? because the people competing or admining the various aspects get out from under the desk and do some leg work to get exposure, plus put their own money on the table.
Giltrap, Pero, Quinn, Graham, just to name a few who have put money or services on the sport.
Name one football person putting plenty of skin in other than the Wellnix guys and Dawkins.
Wellnix are at a level that we are not complaining about lack of action this is about the ASB Premiership and NZF in all it's dealings.
Morgan is correct to keep having a dig at them all at NZF.
Compare the Tennis coverage Radio and TV from a couple of weeks ago to what ASB get from NZF.
Next board meeting question. EH which one will we sponsor for the next twenty years? Only one and doesn't have an F.
+1. Well said.
It is hard when there is free to air coverage of leagues and cups from Europe on TVNZ and Sommet Sports. There are more fans of english football than NZ football in NZ unfortunately.
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If people aren't coming to watch because none of their club players are in the team then what can you do? if it becomes a club based national league, surely you'll get the same situation - its not my team so I won't go and watch.
That is a good point tbf.
When you say NCR are playing at by far the highest level under HBU do you mean the CL is miles ahead of its compatriots or something else?
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saying that people will only watch their own clubs in a club based national league is short sighted
people will go where the quality is
players will aspire to be in that team and people will want to watch the teams from out of town play the best that their town has to offer
it's also inevitable that strong clubs will develop a strong and larger base
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If people aren't coming to watch because none of their club players are in the team then what can you do? if it becomes a club based national league, surely you'll get the same situation - its not my team so I won't go and watch.
That is a good point tbf.
When you say NCR are playing at by far the highest level under HBU do you mean the CL is miles ahead of its compatriots or something else?
Yep that makes sense.
Three for me, and two for them.
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All I'm saying is our national league should be NZF's primary domestic priority and I don't feel it is. I see no evidence.
I have a simple solution. Gareth Morgan is offering $5 million to the NZF to restructure things (as he sees it). Why not simply invest $1 million a season for the next five seasons in the ASBP Gareth? That would be a huge boost across the board to all the franchises (it could be evenly split or as prizemoney so on field performance is the decider). With the prospect of a robust South Auckland franchise coming on board soon (in place of Wanderers) and this major investment, the ASBP would boom.
get on his blog and tell him
http://garethsworld.com/
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saying that people will only watch their own clubs in a club based national league is short sighted
people will go where the quality is
players will aspire to be in that team and people will want to watch the teams from out of town play the best that their town has to offer
it's also inevitable that strong clubs will develop a strong and larger base
i agree, but i don't think they are in the majority, especially in terms of growing interest beyond those currently interested
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All football clubs at league level [Northern, Central, Mpl, Spl] and administrators of ASB Premiership and this includes NZF are very backward in promoting the sport.
Motorsport has less numbers competing in all it's forms in NZ but look at the TV time slots sky and free to air + news coverage of that sport.
Why? because the people competing or admining the various aspects get out from under the desk and do some leg work to get exposure, plus put their own money on the table.
Giltrap, Pero, Quinn, Graham, just to name a few who have put money or services on the sport.
Name one football person putting plenty of skin in other than the Wellnix guys and Dawkins.
Wellnix are at a level that we are not complaining about lack of action this is about the ASB Premiership and NZF in all it's dealings.
Morgan is correct to keep having a dig at them all at NZF.
Compare the Tennis coverage Radio and TV from a couple of weeks ago to what ASB get from NZF.
Next board meeting question. EH which one will we sponsor for the next twenty years? Only one and doesn't have an F.
Here's the problem - getting the ASBP reported on the sports news won't bridge the gap between the thousands and thousands that are interested in, and attend, motor sport in NZ, and the hundreds that go to the ASBP.
It's a nothing league played in suburban grounds at a low standard. On a weekend without an ACFC or Chch home game you're talking total attendances of less than 1000 people - that's a completely different ball game to motor sport. Sure, you might be able to improve the average attendances from 200-500 to say 1000, but that's nowhere near a sustainable league financially.
I don't agree with a lot of what T-X has to say about gaming funding, but he's right about one thing. The league is comparitively well resourced - over $3mn in total per year. That's a significant amount which I'd argue right now is not going in the right areas to improve the league long-term.
The fact that the whole thing is run on gaming money means the franchises have got completely lazy - outside of ACFC there are no "fans" as such so there is no real accountability for poor results, and no real requirement to even consider what you're putting on to get people through the gates.
You're imploring individuals to spend money on the ASBP, but to do what? I hear the same thing over and over, spend money on marketing as if that will solve all the problems, or offer prize money as if that will end up getting spent on anything other than more average players. The issues are far, far deeper than that, spectator facilities are poor, on pitch quality is, let's say, mixed (it's poor really). The league is uncompetitive and there are structural imbalances between the various sides based on population and local league strength. The format is tired, and to be honest, boring. The playoffs are completely pointless. The lack of promo and relegation means a team can write off a season without concern. The idea that "someone needs to spend some money" and "get it promoted in the media" is, I'm afraid, completely laughable and exposes the real lack of thought going into this topic.
Normo's coming home
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Our chance to develop a professional national league is zero - due to various historic, cultural, ethno demographic & geographic realities. The passion, drama and theatre of football is and will be consumed by kiwis through a screen - of foreign teams, leagues and cups.
NZ domestic football is as a feeder development league at best. All steps should be taken to structure our national league accordingly.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
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Waits for mushroom crowd over the knitting circle
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ASBP desperate for change ....its dying in the arse ,,,no publicity , low [ and getting lower ] crowds , standards falling , its just becoming a massive fail ....
but I could be wrong ...
and rapidly, I could care less ...
thats the saddest thing to me ....
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Our chance to develop a professional national league is zero - due to various historic, cultural, ethno demographic & geographic realities. The passion, drama and theatre of football is and will be consumed by kiwis through a screen - of foreign teams, leagues and cups.
NZ domestic football is as a feeder development league at best. All steps should be taken to structure our national league accordingly.
Cheers for informing me I've been wasting my time supporting our National League, in it's many forms, over 30+years.
How f*cking depressing.
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IMO it's an 'artificial' league. IMO NZF should pull all stops out to get permission for a 2ND NZ A-league franchise then get rid of the ASB. The Chatham Cup used to be a good way of finding out the country's 'top' club. Chatham Cup winner and runner-up to the O-League. Sorted.
Repeat post.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
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All I'm saying is our national league should be NZF's primary domestic priority and I don't feel it is. I see no evidence.
I have a simple solution. Gareth Morgan is offering $5 million to the NZF to restructure things (as he sees it). Why not simply invest $1 million a season for the next five seasons in the ASBP Gareth? That would be a huge boost across the board to all the franchises (it could be evenly split or as prizemoney so on field performance is the decider). With the prospect of a robust South Auckland franchise coming on board soon (in place of Wanderers) and this major investment, the ASBP would boom.
get on his blog and tell him
http://garethsworld.com/
I will, and I'll let you know if he responds.
His site doesn't appear to have an email address for sending Gareth messages. Does anyone know it?
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All football clubs at league level [Northern, Central, Mpl, Spl] and administrators of ASB Premiership and this includes NZF are very backward in promoting the sport.
Motorsport has less numbers competing in all it's forms in NZ but look at the TV time slots sky and free to air + news coverage of that sport.
Why? because the people competing or admining the various aspects get out from under the desk and do some leg work to get exposure, plus put their own money on the table.
Giltrap, Pero, Quinn, Graham, just to name a few who have put money or services on the sport.
Name one football person putting plenty of skin in other than the Wellnix guys and Dawkins.
Wellnix are at a level that we are not complaining about lack of action this is about the ASB Premiership and NZF in all it's dealings.
Morgan is correct to keep having a dig at them all at NZF.
Compare the Tennis coverage Radio and TV from a couple of weeks ago to what ASB get from NZF.
Next board meeting question. EH which one will we sponsor for the next twenty years? Only one and doesn't have an F.
Here's the problem - getting the ASBP reported on the sports news won't bridge the gap between the thousands and thousands that are interested in, and attend, motor sport in NZ, and the hundreds that go to the ASBP.
It's a nothing league played in suburban grounds at a low standard. On a weekend without an ACFC or Chch home game you're talking total attendances of less than 1000 people - that's a completely different ball game to motor sport. Sure, you might be able to improve the average attendances from 200-500 to say 1000, but that's nowhere near a sustainable league financially.
I don't agree with a lot of what T-X has to say about gaming funding, but he's right about one thing. The league is comparitively well resourced - over $3mn in total per year. That's a significant amount which I'd argue right now is not going in the right areas to improve the league long-term.
The fact that the whole thing is run on gaming money means the franchises have got completely lazy - outside of ACFC there are no "fans" as such so there is no real accountability for poor results, and no real requirement to even consider what you're putting on to get people through the gates.
You're imploring individuals to spend money on the ASBP, but to do what? I hear the same thing over and over, spend money on marketing as if that will solve all the problems, or offer prize money as if that will end up getting spent on anything other than more average players. The issues are far, far deeper than that, spectator facilities are poor, on pitch quality is, let's say, mixed (it's poor really). The league is uncompetitive and there are structural imbalances between the various sides based on population and local league strength. The format is tired, and to be honest, boring. The playoffs are completely pointless. The lack of promo and relegation means a team can write off a season without concern. The idea that "someone needs to spend some money" and "get it promoted in the media" is, I'm afraid, completely laughable and exposes the real lack of thought going into this topic.
I understand what you're saying but the gist of it is just give up and walk away from a domestic national league. I'm lucky in that I support ACFC and get a lot of enjoyment out of watching the most successful and robust franchise in the competition. I know it must be hard to generate enthusiasm outside of CU and HBU when hardly anyone tunrs up and there's not much to play for. I wish SU was attracting a thousand noisy fans to their impressive covered stadium but sadly it's not the case. My dream is a league of eight sides like ACFC in a really competitive competition with the Fifa Club Wold Cup as a glittering prize. It's there but only really for two or three sides at the most.
But I'm trying to be optimistic in the face of a lot of pessimism. I work in the film industry and that's a professional necessity. We can't go back to a club-based national league as its not financially viable as experience has clearly shown us. The ASBP is the only way forward. But it is tired (outside of ACFC and CU) and it needs major investment. The standard is not "dismal" as some have said and at its best it can be damned exciting.
The ASBP is now seven years old and has been a springboard for a lot of local players into the professional ranks. NZ football will be in a sorry state if we lose it.
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Our chance to develop a professional national league is zero - due to various historic, cultural, ethno demographic & geographic realities. The passion, drama and theatre of football is and will be consumed by kiwis through a screen - of foreign teams, leagues and cups.
NZ domestic football is as a feeder development league at best. All steps should be taken to structure our national league accordingly.
Actually I agree, but we can still have a relatively robust semi-pro national league which is a feeder system to professional leagues.
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^ So what will you be saying to Bill McGowan at Fred Taylor paddock next weekend BM?
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
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+1
Our chance to develop a professional national league is zero - due to various historic, cultural, ethno demographic & geographic realities. The passion, drama and theatre of football is and will be consumed by kiwis through a screen - of foreign teams, leagues and cups.
NZ domestic football is as a feeder development league at best. All steps should be taken to structure our national league accordingly.
Actually I agree, but we can still have a relatively robust semi-pro national league which is a feeder system to professional leagues.
On population basis, plus corporate support and media market potential, plus lots of other reasons, I'd love to see Auckland in the next round of HAL expansion. Likewise I'd like to see NZ field 2 teams (phoenix and Auckland) in Aussie NYL. Underneath that I'd like to see our semi-pro league align in some manner with the Aussie state national premier leagues - but only for clubs that meet criteria.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
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All I'm saying is our national league should be NZF's primary domestic priority and I don't feel it is. I see no evidence.
I have a simple solution. Gareth Morgan is offering $5 million to the NZF to restructure things (as he sees it). Why not simply invest $1 million a season for the next five seasons in the ASBP Gareth? That would be a huge boost across the board to all the franchises (it could be evenly split or as prizemoney so on field performance is the decider). With the prospect of a robust South Auckland franchise coming on board soon (in place of Wanderers) and this major investment, the ASBP would boom.
get on his blog and tell him
http://garethsworld.com/
I will, and I'll let you know if he responds.
His site doesn't appear to have an email address for sending Gareth messages. Does anyone know it?
"Hey can you give me a few million so my amateur club can buy more foreigners so that we can beat southland in a game in front of 20 people then get a hiding at the club World Cup?"
Good luck with that.
Allegedly
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10 years I believe. Hence the team of the decade crap they have had going on
Grumpy old bastard alert
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A hiding ? From the 2nd placed team ....hmm OK ,
Grumpy old bastard alert
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All I'm saying is our national league should be NZF's primary domestic priority and I don't feel it is. I see no evidence.
I have a simple solution. Gareth Morgan is offering $5 million to the NZF to restructure things (as he sees it). Why not simply invest $1 million a season for the next five seasons in the ASBP Gareth? That would be a huge boost across the board to all the franchises (it could be evenly split or as prizemoney so on field performance is the decider). With the prospect of a robust South Auckland franchise coming on board soon (in place of Wanderers) and this major investment, the ASBP would boom.
get on his blog and tell him
http://garethsworld.com/
I will, and I'll let you know if he responds.
His site doesn't appear to have an email address for sending Gareth messages. Does anyone know it?
"Hey can you give me a few million so my amateur club can buy more foreigners so that we can beat southland in a game in front of 20 people then get a hiding at the club World Cup?"
Good luck with that.
Looks like he's happy finishing in bottom 2 and losing money every week in a league that wouldnt give him the prize even if he did win it.
Do you know what nemesis means
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All I'm saying is our national league should be NZF's primary domestic priority and I don't feel it is. I see no evidence.
I have a simple solution. Gareth Morgan is offering $5 million to the NZF to restructure things (as he sees it). Why not simply invest $1 million a season for the next five seasons in the ASBP Gareth? That would be a huge boost across the board to all the franchises (it could be evenly split or as prizemoney so on field performance is the decider). With the prospect of a robust South Auckland franchise coming on board soon (in place of Wanderers) and this major investment, the ASBP would boom.
get on his blog and tell him
http://garethsworld.com/
I will, and I'll let you know if he responds.
His site doesn't appear to have an email address for sending Gareth messages. Does anyone know it?
"Hey can you give me a few million so my amateur club can buy more foreigners so that we can beat southland in a game in front of 20 people then get a hiding at the club World Cup?"
Good luck with that.
Looks like he's happy finishing in bottom 2 and losing money every week in a league that wouldnt give him the prize even if he did win it.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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All I'm saying is our national league should be NZF's primary domestic priority and I don't feel it is. I see no evidence.
I have a simple solution. Gareth Morgan is offering $5 million to the NZF to restructure things (as he sees it). Why not simply invest $1 million a season for the next five seasons in the ASBP Gareth? That would be a huge boost across the board to all the franchises (it could be evenly split or as prizemoney so on field performance is the decider). With the prospect of a robust South Auckland franchise coming on board soon (in place of Wanderers) and this major investment, the ASBP would boom.
get on his blog and tell him
http://garethsworld.com/
I will, and I'll let you know if he responds.
His site doesn't appear to have an email address for sending Gareth messages. Does anyone know it?
"Hey can you give me a few million so my amateur club can buy more foreigners so that we can beat southland in a game in front of 20 people then get a hiding at the club World Cup?"
Good luck with that.
So how many times have Wellington played at the CWC then?
Oh yeah thats right.......
Do you know what nemesis means
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All I'm saying is our national league should be NZF's primary domestic priority and I don't feel it is. I see no evidence.
I have a simple solution. Gareth Morgan is offering $5 million to the NZF to restructure things (as he sees it). Why not simply invest $1 million a season for the next five seasons in the ASBP Gareth? That would be a huge boost across the board to all the franchises (it could be evenly split or as prizemoney so on field performance is the decider). With the prospect of a robust South Auckland franchise coming on board soon (in place of Wanderers) and this major investment, the ASBP would boom.
get on his blog and tell him
http://garethsworld.com/
I will, and I'll let you know if he responds.
His site doesn't appear to have an email address for sending Gareth messages. Does anyone know it?
"Hey can you give me a few million so my amateur club can buy more foreigners so that we can beat southland in a game in front of 20 people then get a hiding at the club World Cup?"
Good luck with that.
Looks like he's happy finishing in bottom 2 and losing money every week in a league that wouldnt give him the prize even if he did win it.
In what way?
So all 7 (Wanderers SC excluded) teams in ASBP Teams cant potentially play OFC Champs and CWC then?
Do you know what nemesis means
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All I'm saying is our national league should be NZF's primary domestic priority and I don't feel it is. I see no evidence.
I have a simple solution. Gareth Morgan is offering $5 million to the NZF to restructure things (as he sees it). Why not simply invest $1 million a season for the next five seasons in the ASBP Gareth? That would be a huge boost across the board to all the franchises (it could be evenly split or as prizemoney so on field performance is the decider). With the prospect of a robust South Auckland franchise coming on board soon (in place of Wanderers) and this major investment, the ASBP would boom.
get on his blog and tell him
http://garethsworld.com/
I will, and I'll let you know if he responds.
His site doesn't appear to have an email address for sending Gareth messages. Does anyone know it?
"Hey can you give me a few million so my amateur club can buy more foreigners so that we can beat southland in a game in front of 20 people then get a hiding at the club World Cup?"
Good luck with that.
Looks like he's happy finishing in bottom 2 and losing money every week in a league that wouldnt give him the prize even if he did win it.
If we emphasise the word 'our' in your post then you've pretty much hit the nail on the head... It's our league, which we can sort out or fuck up if we please. It's not Australia's league in which we are subject to their rules and whims, where we pour money into the FFA. You're all concerned with your crowds at Yellow Fever. Be more concerned with the crowds at New Zealand's national league, I'd suggest.
Auckland City FC
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All I'm saying is our national league should be NZF's primary domestic priority and I don't feel it is. I see no evidence.
I have a simple solution. Gareth Morgan is offering $5 million to the NZF to restructure things (as he sees it). Why not simply invest $1 million a season for the next five seasons in the ASBP Gareth? That would be a huge boost across the board to all the franchises (it could be evenly split or as prizemoney so on field performance is the decider). With the prospect of a robust South Auckland franchise coming on board soon (in place of Wanderers) and this major investment, the ASBP would boom.
get on his blog and tell him
http://garethsworld.com/
I will, and I'll let you know if he responds.
His site doesn't appear to have an email address for sending Gareth messages. Does anyone know it?
"Hey can you give me a few million so my amateur club can buy more foreigners so that we can beat southland in a game in front of 20 people then get a hiding at the club World Cup?"
Good luck with that.
Looks like he's happy finishing in bottom 2 and losing money every week in a league that wouldnt give him the prize even if he did win it.
If we emphasise the word 'our' in your post then you've pretty much hit the nail on the head... It's our league, which we can sort out or fuck up if we please. It's not Australia's league in which we are subject to their rules and whims, where we pour money into the FFA. You're all concerned with your crowds at Yellow Fever. Be more concerned with the crowds at New Zealand's national league, I'd suggest.
Hey Alireggae, I'm not sure you get it. NZ's league isn't working too well. I'm proposing that we align with what FFA are doing - they've recognised that the purpose of a national (semi pro) club league is as a DEVELOPMENT league. Football 3 hours away is growing - on all measures. We need to find a way to ride that wave.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
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Thanks for telling me what to be concerned about.
How about I be concerned with both. Is that acceptable to you? Am I allowed to have concern for both?
Please respond quickly for I am lost without your guidance.
Allegedly
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Thanks for telling me what to be concerned about.
How about I be concerned with both. Is that acceptable to you? Am I allowed to have concern for both?
Please respond quickly for I am lost without your guidance.
I don't really care what you concern yourself with as every one of your posts seems to be some pithy put down of our national league or a personal attack on me or any other Aucklander.
Auckland City FC
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Thanks for telling me what to be concerned about.
How about I be concerned with both. Is that acceptable to you? Am I allowed to have concern for both?
Please respond quickly for I am lost without your guidance.
I don't really care what you concern yourself with as every one of your posts seems to be some pithy put down of our national league or a personal attack on me or any other Aucklander.
Wildly untrue.
In fact in the very post you just quoted I said I was concerned for attendances in out national league.
Allegedly
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I'm proposing that we align with what FFA are doing - they've recognised
that the purpose of a national (semi pro) club league is as a
DEVELOPMENT league. Football 3 hours away is growing - on all measures.
We need to find a way to ride that wave.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
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