Be good to have some football this weekend. Story on our front
page.
Cole Tinkler to get a run, probably
and a new Brazilian - Benecio - for Wellingtonians to appreciate
and hopefully top of the table for xmas!
Cole Tinkler to get a run, probably
and a new Brazilian - Benecio - for Wellingtonians to appreciate
and hopefully top of the table for xmas!
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Looks like a few changes to the team so hopefully we can pull out a
decent performance. The Brazilian sounds good but does anyone have
the inside word on him?
See you all there.
Its no longer a problem.
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Apparently he's a good friend of Daniel's... trialled with
Newcastle but it dodn't work out for some reason. Reports
from TW training says he's impressive.
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Heard from some TW guys he has the goods. Hopefully his clearance
comes through in time.
A dog with a bone :)
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Tinkler will tear it up on his debut against Waitak. Wellington to
win this game just like the last one with a Halsted Tinkler combo
to win it this time! Tinkler will become a fan favorite when he
will score in the last minute to clinch the game.
Good luck Cole!
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Sounds like the Aucklanders are getting a bit nervous...
"Playmaking Caua Benicio, 29, a close friend of Phoenix
midfielder Daniel is set to turn out for Team Wellington against
Waitakere United in Sunday's New Zealand Football Championship
catch-up game at Newtown Park.
Team Wellington coach Stu Jacobs is one of Herbert's
assistants at the Phoenix and it is an obvious path for a player
who has a "more than useful" tag and with recent experience in the
lower levels in Sweden and Portugal.
In another move at the club, injured captain Andy Barron, who
is poised to head off for trials in England next month, has been
elevated to "marquee player" status - a move which has found little
favour.
Waitakere chairman Rex Dawkins tagged the decision "a sham"
while Auckland City chairman Ivan Vuksich questions New Zealand
Football bosses for allowing it "when they should be looking after
their family [the NZFC clubs]".
Team Wellington can return to the top of the table with a win
on Sunday whereas a loss would relegate them to third behind City
and Waitakere.
The home side will also have defender Cole Tinkler available
for the first time while Waitakere will welcome back captain Danny
Hay and fellow defender Darren Bazeley who missed last week's
scrappy win over Otago United."
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sham? isnt Menapi a marquee? haha
Founder
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Waitak are pooping themselves. Welly have done everything well within the rules. NZ football turned down Caue as good enough for Marquee status so they made Barron Marquee so that Caue can play. Caue is quality by the way.
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Can I get a phonetic spelling of his (Caua) name so I know how to
pronounce it 
Its no longer a problem.
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Sounds like the Aucklanders are getting a bit nervous...
"Playmaking Caua Benicio, 29, a close friend of Phoenix
midfielder Daniel is set to turn out for Team Wellington against
Waitakere United in Sunday's New Zealand Football Championship
catch-up game at Newtown Park.
Team Wellington coach Stu Jacobs is one of Herbert's
assistants at the Phoenix and it is an obvious path for a player
who has a "more than useful" tag and with recent experience in the
lower levels in Sweden and Portugal.
In another move at the club, injured captain Andy Barron, who
is poised to head off for trials in England next month, has been
elevated to "marquee player" status - a move which has found little
favour.
Waitakere chairman Rex Dawkins tagged the decision "a sham"
while Auckland City chairman Ivan Vuksich questions New Zealand
Football bosses for allowing it "when they should be looking after
their family [the NZFC clubs]".
Team Wellington can return to the top of the table with a win
on Sunday whereas a loss would relegate them to third behind City
and Waitakere.
The home side will also have defender Cole Tinkler available
for the first time while Waitakere will welcome back captain Danny
Hay and fellow defender Darren Bazeley who missed last week's
scrappy win over Otago United."
in the words of Corporal Jones (off Dad's Army)
"They don't like it up 'em"
Sad news for those two auks - Team Welly is on the rise.
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Andy is a fringe All White, has played professionally, and is
hugelt popular within the region and with the fans. Menapi? And how
does this affect the "NZFC family"?
Normo's coming home
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perhaps, he means 'family' in a Sicilian sense and he realises his
days as Don V are numbered
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Go Wellington for this match and for the title this season (I've
realised Canterbury don't have a chance). I'm sick of Auckland and
Waitakere throwing their weight around so hopefully they will have
less influence when neither of them wins the league.
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What you have to ask, is whether it is a good thing or a bad
thing that clubs can manipulate rules to suit themselves.
If you think a player should not be allowed to have his status
changed once the season has begun - ie if you start the season as a
non-marquee player, you can't suddenly become one for reasons of
expediency -- then there is a case for the rules to be modified to
stop this sort of manipulation.
If, on the other hand you think it is fine to tweak
players' status to suit your immediate ends, then it should be open
slather. Let's all have a fiddle.
I naturally assumed as a starting propositon that a player
could only change his status in a transfer window.
In the interests of transparency i'd suggest it would be a
much better policy for that to be the case, and for clubs to name
their marquee players at the start of the season -- and keep them
that way until the transfer window.
But hey, congratulations Wellington, you are the new
Waitakere. You have become the very thing you used to hate about
West Auckland.
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we will leave the fiddling to you northermers i think.
You seem to think you know the supporters well. Um you
dont.
What we have become is a very good team full of local talent.
Exactly what we wanted.
I hope someone bobsleds Gill and you season will be screwed if
its not already
Founder
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it is not a question of knowing the supporters. or the local
talent. With respect, neither have anythign to do with the
subject under discussion.
What we have is a club adopting methods that are,
er, more commonly associated with Waitakere.
You comment about Gill is too peurile for words. Debate
the issue (Manipulation of regulations).
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Bruce, you seem to propose some sort of 'turn the other cheek
approach' wherein you expect us to allow Waitak etc to bend the
rules but believe we should not do so.
This would be a naive response; until the NZFC regulations are made clear and non-broachable you cannot expect us to act as 'saints', whilst allowing others to profit.
This would be a naive response; until the NZFC regulations are made clear and non-broachable you cannot expect us to act as 'saints', whilst allowing others to profit.
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What you have to ask, is whether it is a good thing or a bad
thing that clubs can manipulate rules to suit themselves.
If you think a player should not be allowed to have his status
changed once the season has begun - ie if you start the season as a
non-marquee player, you can't suddenly become one for reasons of
expediency -- then there is a case for the rules to be modified to
stop this sort of manipulation.
If, on the other hand you think it is fine to tweak
players' status to suit your immediate ends, then it should be open
slather. Let's all have a fiddle.
I naturally assumed as a starting propositon that a player
could only change his status in a transfer window.
In the interests of transparency i'd suggest it would be a
much better policy for that to be the case, and for clubs to name
their marquee players at the start of the season -- and keep them
that way until the transfer window.
But hey, congratulations Wellington, you are the new
Waitakere. You have become the very thing you used to hate about
West Auckland.
What is your point here?
Is Wellington creating an unfair advantage by having someone
Aucklanders don't think is good enough to be a marquee player as
their Marquee player? IMO the Brazilian should never have been
denied marquee status in the first place if that is what Wellington
wanted.
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No, I'm not proposing we turn the other cheek. I think fans
should speak up whenever they think a club, whether it be theirs or
somebody else's, is overstepping.
I think we need transparency with policy. it just
strikes me as odd to change a player's status midway through. At
the very least it is worthy of an explanation as to why he is now a
marquee when he wasn't last week.
It's sort of as if the rules evolve through case law; somebody
tries something and those on high make up policy on the hoof.
Thta's fine if everyone is happy with that. But it appears some
aren't. So there is a case for the matter to dealt with
consultatively (the family etc).
It is for others to decide if there is an unfair advantage.
But there should be wider publicity about who decided about marquee
players and on what grounds.
I've found the administration of this to be a little peculiar
personally, but am not in a position to venture an opinion on
advantage gained.
hope this helps.
Bruce Holloway2007-12-21 16:41:04
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so why not blame the administration as opposed to TW? End of the
day Im pretty sure this Brazilian is gonna be more of a marquee
than Menapi (and Barron too)
Founder
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fair enough Bruce, i'm inclined to agree that the clearer a
competition's policies are and the more consistently they are
enforced the better
to be honest I'm more upset at Sydney's apparent abuse of the injured player regs in the a-League
but we seem to agree on the key principles; however any response now needs to take effect next season as this particular horse has bolted
should be a 'good' atmosphere on Sunday!
tigers2007-12-23 11:14:45
to be honest I'm more upset at Sydney's apparent abuse of the injured player regs in the a-League
but we seem to agree on the key principles; however any response now needs to take effect next season as this particular horse has bolted
should be a 'good' atmosphere on Sunday!
tigers2007-12-23 11:14:45
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If Team Welly are doing something that is what you consider, yet is
perfectly legal under the NZFC laws, then the fault is on the NZFC
for not having the laws tight enough to stop it from happening. If
it's such an issue, get the law changed next season. Until then,
just enjoy the fact that somebody his quality is playing in the
NZFC - it adds credibility to our semi-pro competition.
Besides, Team Welly was gonna win anyway, so you're just locking the barn after the black and yellow horse has bolted
Besides, Team Welly was gonna win anyway, so you're just locking the barn after the black and yellow horse has bolted
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From what I hear Rex is going to be at the game on Sunday.
Hopefully he will be given a warm Wellington welcome
Are the T.A.B. offering anything on Waitak and
Rex protesting, if Team Wellington win?
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theyve won it once with the" rules" so why not twice?
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Bruce, if as a fundamental principal clubs can sign whom ever they
like (so long as the transfer window and the foreign player quotas
are respected) then what is the issue? The real
question is why this new guy wasn't given the green light when
commins menapi, an average NZFC performer, was. That was an
extremely strange decision originally which undermined the
"marquee" concept anyway.
Following your logic why is Menapi now a marquee player when last year he wasn't? Nothing he did last year suggests an elevation of status in 2007/2008 so what has changed? If as you might suggest (and I know I'm putting words into your mouth) his performances have earned it then perhaps you could look at Andy so far this year and say the same.
Following your logic why is Menapi now a marquee player when last year he wasn't? Nothing he did last year suggests an elevation of status in 2007/2008 so what has changed? If as you might suggest (and I know I'm putting words into your mouth) his performances have earned it then perhaps you could look at Andy so far this year and say the same.
Normo's coming home
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Wasn't the first time this blew up over Canterbury signing Brockie
as a Marquee after he finished with the Knights after V1.
Just before we beat the Auckland clubs with the hypocrite stick.
Hard News2007-12-22 20:28:17
Just before we beat the Auckland clubs with the hypocrite stick.
Hard News2007-12-22 20:28:17
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What does the marquee tag bring anyway, there is no salary cap is
there?
Normo's coming home
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Bruce, TW didnt right the rules. They simply live within them, like
everyone else.
If NZF decide to change the rules bc there
is a sufficiently strong weight of opinion in favour of the
fixed and transparent policy you prefer, then fine. But,
it is not our responsibility to bag our own local NZFC side for
complying with rules written by somebody else. And it is not TW's
responsibility to make some judgement that they should be applying
some different kind of standard to those specified.
Possibly we would have a little grizzle too, if someone else
thought of it. But, that is only natural parochialism - and doesnt
change the fundamental fact that TW has done nothing it is not
allowed to do.
The rant and nonsense coming out of Auckland at the moment is
pent up frustration about several issues (incl O-League) and a
growing reality that somebody or some club is no longer top
dog.
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Well after watching just about every match before this season _ I
finally get along to a TW match and and it looked just like
previous seasons - perhaps worse as we were completely done in this
one. I was impressed with how regularly TW could pick out Danny Hay
in the box - it was almost like radar. Hay is a big unit, why would
you cross in the air near him I wonder? Some signs that TW
are better than the 5 - 1 scoreline suggests but certainly come
back to earth today.
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HOW BULLsh*t WAS THAT HK_Keeper2007-12-23 19:27:02
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Zephyr you jinxed them, no more matches for you please
A dog with a bone :)
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i didnt see a lot of the first half - but i thought we were playing
the best football i have seen in the NZFC for ages in that second
half. Unfortunately we were just missing target, and the balls
pumped into the box weren't going to come to anything. Oh and they
kept knicking goals - but apart for that we were alright! just
shows you that ball possession and playing pretty dont always win
ya games
Founder
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Did anyone else think that benicio had an average game today? I
felt he was missing in patches but it's hard to judge his skill etc
when he barely gets the ball. I'm guessing he was wearing the
number 20 shirt. TW seemed to play a weird formation, had a back 4
but then they seemed to accomodate Benicio by playing 4
in central midfield with the 2 strikers often forced into
wider positions.
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Benicio was #20, yes.
I thought he did okay, it'll be interesting to see how he turns out during the season.
He seemed rather disappointed when I caught up with him after - don't blame him, not exactly a debut match he'd want to remember!
I thought he did okay, it'll be interesting to see how he turns out during the season.
He seemed rather disappointed when I caught up with him after - don't blame him, not exactly a debut match he'd want to remember!
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I thought Benicio was class. His passing and his touches were
quality. I suppose he could have done a bit more in the
attacking third, but overall I liked the look of him.
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My fault. I am a jinx for TW. First time I have been to see them
this year.
I have never ever seen them win. Every time I go they lose. Even when I watch them away (such as at Waitakere) they lose.
Lesson learnt - stay at home.
I thought Waitakere were smarter than TW throughout - no doubt all those old stagers like Bazeley, Hay and Emblem are the reason.
I have never ever seen them win. Every time I go they lose. Even when I watch them away (such as at Waitakere) they lose.
Lesson learnt - stay at home.
I thought Waitakere were smarter than TW throughout - no doubt all those old stagers like Bazeley, Hay and Emblem are the reason.
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I don't think having Totori did them any harm either - he created
panic in our defence while he was on.
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not a pleasant pre-xmas experience, wasn't banking on a win but
certainly didn't expect the pasting we got
waitakere seemed to want it more in the first half, and when they hit 4-1 they could afford to sit back and let us play anywhere outside the box
for me the game turned when we failed to hold the score at 2-1 before going in at half-time
we didn't get the rub of the green, with two shots hitting the woodwork and a number flashing past the posts
like others i felt Benicio C was picking the ball up from too deep, though he certainly possesses good vision and a range of passing options
Corrales provided a bit of spark when he came on, perhaps things might have been a bit different if Ellensohn wasn't a little rusty and (as noted at the game and on here) if we'd resisted the urge to invite Graeme Little and Ellensohn to compete in the air with Danny Hay
waitakere seemed to want it more in the first half, and when they hit 4-1 they could afford to sit back and let us play anywhere outside the box
for me the game turned when we failed to hold the score at 2-1 before going in at half-time
we didn't get the rub of the green, with two shots hitting the woodwork and a number flashing past the posts
like others i felt Benicio C was picking the ball up from too deep, though he certainly possesses good vision and a range of passing options
Corrales provided a bit of spark when he came on, perhaps things might have been a bit different if Ellensohn wasn't a little rusty and (as noted at the game and on here) if we'd resisted the urge to invite Graeme Little and Ellensohn to compete in the air with Danny Hay
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