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I did ask Che at the season launch if there was a spot for Matt Gibbons in the squad. I was very impressed with Gibbons over winter, but Che said something along the lines that he was already fully allocated.
 
I don't think Steven was too fussed about "getting his chance". He was prepared to play if needed, but if they don't need him, that's good too.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if sam had left, he was travelling with Steve.
 
 
 

Surely these young players could be signed as academy players and still be eligible for the 1st team, so the 'fully allocated' reasoning is nonsense? I apologise if that is not how the ruling works?
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To be honest i think that Steven has done the right thing.  Why should someone of his caliber sit on the bench for any side?!?!  it baffles me that Che wouldnt start someone like steven... the winter leagues top goal scorer cant get a game for WFC???  There has got to be some questions asked to the gaffer there - no?  Especially the fact that they couldnt score in the 90 mins agaisnt an extremly weak canterbury defense... who were evidently down to 10 men!

Steven Holloway will have to roads he can choose to take...

1.  The lucritive offer that he will recieve from both Auckland and Waitak
2.  To sit on the Beach, drink beers and soak up the sun/women that Tauranga has to offer

i know what one id be picking - all the best to you steven! 
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just to clarify:
 
1 - steve will start for tga
 
2 - campbell will go the same way as his overrated cousin matt and put on the pies.
 
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"Is it true that more players have also 'cut their ties' - Wilkinson? Dowling"
 
Don't think Sam has packed it in he is recovering from hamstring injury.Buncey wanted him to go down as late sub when Stevo pulled out but Sam had no way of getting back from Mount at late notice.
Buncey is finding out life on the management side is not easy.
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mathclub wrote:
just to clarify:
 
1 - steve will start for tga
 
2 - campbell will go the same way as his overrated cousin matt and put on the pies.
 
Gizzy.
 
Tauranga City?
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FACT - steven has signed for tauranga already!  They are shapping up as a good side with mayne, wilkinson and holloway already commited

New Gaffer to - Pete Smith - a scottish guy

Thoughts?
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I know Pete, I was on a coaching course with him.  He had a coaching job at Dundee United (not Head Coach, I hasten to add!). Where do get that little snippet from? 
 
Be interesting to see how Tauranga go next year then.
 
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I think that "hear it here" has it all wrong, the 'fridge' is the best thing that has happened to a struggling club this season. A fresh good looking young lad will bring in the fans and the supporters! Even if their strip isnt easy on the eye!
 
As for the penalty I dont think it had an impact on the final scoreline. 
 
I think that "hear it here" has something personal againist our star! 
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it's always a bit of a worry when Feedback pops up on a thread throwing "facts" about.
 
it's a sure sign the natural life of a thread is almost exhausted. - Fact.
 
 
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Hear it Here...wasnt going to write again but cant believe the above comment...haha

''As for the penalty I dont think it had an impact on the final scoreline''...you sure? because i believe  the scoreline was 1-0 then the penalty the fridge gave away made it 2-0...so to go from a goal down to 2 goals down because of the penalty means the final scoreline did changean the penalty was the impact in that change! So your comment is just about as bad as his clumsy challenge!

Also feedback..surely signing for TGA is a backward move?! Possible move to Whangamata Fc better for a player of Steves calibre?
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i am already fat and over weight like matt
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Fair enough i stand corrected, i meant to say it didnt have an effect on the final result.

If we are going to call my boy the "Fridge" can we atleast say he is a Fisher and Paykel Fridge (F&P Fridge), he is top shelf in my book ?
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F&P Fridge i would imagine is a hit with the ladies, an even better nickname would be the "Fridge Magnet"

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The problem is Waikato FC keep making the same stupid mistakes. It would have been nice for the board to tell Buncey, you have a 3 year plan to make this franchise competitive. He could have then signed the best young players from the Waikato, there are plenty about. Throw in some experienced players and look to the future. But no, we seem to be worried about now, which they have been for how long now and where has it got them?? Nowhere and there is still not enough of a player pool in the Waikato. Also the quality of the league is the worst since its inception, no wonder no-one wants to play......
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Couldnt agree more Soley!
The young players signed in the last few years by Edmonson and Wilkinson; Woods, Rojas, Margetts, Barlow, Finlay etc have been a revelation. I see Bunce has signed Tewi and Adam Wallis who looked the part for Ngaruawahia last season.
There are others who should be there though; Carr is a better keeper than Dowling and Robinson, Gibbons is a quality left back and other players from this region played in the U17's - Built, Thomas, Estevez.
But as you say Waikato FC is the problem in that they chop and change too much! After last seasons success the staff should have been retained and allowed to build on what they achieved.. instead they were dropped at the first hint of Parker and the other joker??
Questions should be asked higher up the chain than Bunce!
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I don't think they could tell Bunce he had a three year plan, becuase the future of the league beyond this season is highly uncertain.
 
The funny thing is a lot of the players mentioned above HAVE  been revelations -- but not at NZFC level.
 
For instance, Rojas only hinted at his potential in the NZFC and was only worth a couple of starts.
 
Chris Wood only made two NZFC starts from memory -- when everyone else was injured -  and only made a modest impression, but had earlier been a colussus at northern premier league level as a real youngster, and has since gone on to great things.
 
I think Barlow will evolve as quite an influential player, but again, so far at NZFC level it has been rats and mice. I'd like to see him get a start because long term he is a far better prospect than most of those already starting.
 
Agree Dowling is only a stop-gap measure as keeper - can't see any long-term relationship there.
 
Gibbons looks quality to me, and the boy Built moves nicely. I would like to get a good look at young Adam Thomas in senior football.
 
Tewi is not really there yet at NZFC level, but he will be soaking everything up and be a lot better for it in the northern premier league next season. He's got a bit of mongrel in him.
 
The other glaring youth absence is Tyler Lissette, who I understand is now training with Auckland City, and was even due to have a spell with the Phoenix. I can see Tyler starting for melville all next winter at centre back.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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The point though Bruce, is if the league does continue past this year WFC will be in the same predicament next year through lack of players. Hey here is a novel idea. Seeing as WFC are a regional team that encompasses the whole Waikato region, why not bring all the best young talent. Guys like Raymond How and Alexi from Wanderers, there is a young striker Jordan ...... from Te Awamutu as well as the ones mentioned above, David Smith and I'm sure there are plenty more around. If the league doesn't go ahead then at least these guys will have a bit of experience that would benefit their clubs.
The biggest problem with WFC is they don't seem to be about in the community amongst all the clubs drumming up any support. The only reason I will watch WFC this year is if they play teams where I have friends playing, as far as I'm concerned they do nothing for the good of Waikato football as a whole.
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Interesting reading the comments on here. 

Bruce, what has happened to the people who originally helped to get the club off the ground in 03/04?  It seems that the problems within the club/franchise stem from the backroom more then the coaching/playing squad.

Now that Van Hattum has said that the NZFC will continue but with more teams, the current management, I would hope, would be thinking about the long term development of the club.

As I've been in the UK the last three years I've lost track of the youth league.  Does it still take place and if so does Waikato still have a team in it, as this seems to be the best place for the development of some of the boys mentioned in other posts here.

In regards to Steven, is he maybe just feeling burnt out by playing football nonstop.  To me it seems pointless to be playing winter football unless Melville, and maybe Taurnaga next season are paying players, something that I really do not like clubs doing, given where most of that money comes from.

It is a pity though that Waikato is not able to cover player transport costs ala petrol and parking, that does seem poor form to me.
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Hi jeff,
 
I do agree with a lot of your sentiments, and it would be good if the lure of a berth in the NZFC team led to good players re-populating our winter leagues.
 
But I'm loathe to criticise those involved with waikato FC, becuase it's not like there's queue of people waiting to step up to the plate.
 
Part of the problem is too many good club people have not bought into any sense of ownership or responsibility for Waikato Fc, and we have a flow-on situation where there is also a lack of answerability back to clubs for decisions made.
 
But anyone prepared to roll their sleeves up.. I'm sure they would be welcomed.
 
Waikato Fc did contact all clubs pre-season with offers such as a 50 per cent commission on season ticket sales, and offers for them to act as host club for a home game.
 
The world cup qualifier win may ensure the financial survival of the NZFC, and we do need a presence there if it is to continue. the challenge is getting more Waikato football people to feel like they belong to this club/entity, though again, that is very weird for a club/entity which has no venue of its own, no regular income streams, bugger all assets.
 
Disco, I would suggest Steven would not be feeling "burnt out" if he felt really wanted, was playing with his mates, and was in an environment with the support structures you get at winter level....
 
The summer league by itself does not offer enough critical mass -- 14 games -- nah.
 
At my (winter) club, money for reimbursing a handul of players over the years has largely  comes largely from a percentage of ground signage revenue. This is money advertisers pay to have their message before an audience, so there is an obligation to have a product in front of those signs that people want to see. Otherwise the whole thing breaks down and the club is poorer for it. You simply have to be prepared to reinvest some of your income back into your product..
 
There was no waikato youth league team last year. There is meant to be this year. i know nothing of it though.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Some may say Waikato Fc have problems on the field yet their seems to be some off it too...with the recent arrest of an Waikato player over the weekend infront of 36,000 fans in Wellington. This latest un warranted behaviour adds to the clubs badboy reputation after the Napier Fight Club incident few years back. Waikato im gueesing will brush this latest incident aside because they cant afford to loose any more players due to the growing list of walk outs from players. Good to see the City boys were well behaved in Wellington, even hate to say it but saw some of the scum united and they seemed to be in control of themselves.
All the best for the weekend Waikato..however C'mon CITTY!!
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Hear it Here wrote:
Some may say Waikato Fc have problems on the field yet their seems to be some off it too...with the recent arrest of an Waikato player over the weekend infront of 36,000 fans in Wellington. This latest un warranted behaviour adds to the clubs badboy reputation after the Napier Fight Club incident few years back. Waikato im gueesing will brush this latest incident aside because they cant afford to loose any more players due to the growing list of walk outs from players. Good to see the City boys were well behaved in Wellington, even hate to say it but saw some of the scum united and they seemed to be in control of themselves.
All the best for the weekend Waikato..however C'mon CITTY!!

Surely not! Surely this is just a wind up from a City supporter trying to unsettle the Waikatto camp. As far as I know only Steven Holloway has left the squad so not sure what growing list you are talking about and as for the arrest, must be rubbish, NO mention of it anywhere up here!!!
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Do your research Mr Waikato..firstly crazy to say Hollaway is first to walk on the club this season...Wylie Hogg Pearce Strom Dan Jones all signed pre contracts with the club when Edmunsen was re appointed but all walked within a week of the Bunce announcement...also if you read your local rag you wouldve seen that Mathews also walked follwed by Hollaway!

As for the arrest do your research...on Crowd goes wild McConie said ex waitakere united(scum) player...clue for ya

Hear it Here Mr Waikato!! and yes C'mon City!!!!
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Also ex city for those of us with long memories.....
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Yes that is correct, thought many wouldnt relise that...

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Some thoughts on the Waikato-Manawatu game.

Enjoyed the game, good entertainment value for $5, with the only curiosity being the match advertised for a 2pm start but kicking off at 2.30pm.

Even the programme said 2pm, though Manawatu keeper Ross Nicholson said it had always been 2.30pm, so there you go.

Manawatu had the sharper attack, with Takayuki Omi, the lad from Onehunga, Campbell Banks and golden boot leader Suele Soromon

But Waikato had the stronger defence, at least until Che Bunce got sent off, and the midfields were pretty even. (Former Wanderers player Matt Kennedy started for manawatu).

The teams were very even until this point. Waikato had some good scoring chances, mostly from well-worked set plays, and Nicholson made two superb saves.

Manawatu are a strange mix. Their good players are very good, and their ordinary players are very ordinary.

I�d have backed Waikato to have got at least a point had Bunce not been sent off. Bunce is easily Waikato�s most influential player (with daylight second).

His first booking was silly � gobbing off at the ref, and his second for a body check, was the sort of occupational hazard you get with such a physical players as Che.

Thought David Samson did well in nullifying the pacy threat down his flank, though he and Richard beard also copped bookings. Beard had to shirt pull Soromon to stop him racing through on goal in the first half.

Jason Chewins was superb going forward from left back. But in the second half it was he who finally got exposed when Taka raced past him and crossed for Banks to tap in for 1-0.

Shortly afterwards Chewins was replaced by Alex Barlow, getting his first run of the season. He played at left half, with Shaun Van Rooyen switching to left back, and made an immediate impact when he scooped a ball over the defence for Mauri Wasi to run onto and score. Barlow played another lovely ball shortly afterwards, and generally impressed. It was just a shame he�s had to wait until now to get a run in a midfield of modest ability in playing the ball forward. Sam Wilkinson also had his first start of the season � was this his 50th game? - and will be better for the experience.

Waikato did get the ball in the net on one other occasion, though it was (correctly) ruled out for a foul on Raf de Gregorio, who incidentally, only had a small impact on the game.

Dan Peat mostly hung wide on the right and only occasionally affected the game. He has a good turn of pace and a nice step-over, but Waikato really do need more out of 90 minutes (or about 70 minutes in his case).

The winning goal was a cracker. Manawatu�s most effective tactic was a long ball from the back and Nicholson smaked one forward which little Takayuki did brilliantly to head onto Soromon.

Soromon is one of those players who does nothing for 20 minutes at a time but then springs to life. He turned, beat three men and dribbled past Dowling for a super individual goal.

For Waikato, Mauri Wasi foraged hard up front, but like Peat, is at his best running towards goal rather than with his back to goal. Tewi te Pou gave a good late cameo for Waikato.

I thought Manawatu were there for the taking at the back. But in the end they deserved the win because of the brilliance of Soromon�s goal, though if Bunce had been on the park it may not have happened.

Referee Nick Waldren dished out eight yellow and one red card. Fans have a tendency to think this somehow indicates the ref had a shocker. You could argue with the odd one, but generally Waldren�s decisions were fair and well considered. In many cases he clocked what had happened in challenges and simply waited till the next stoppage to caution players.

Waikato will miss Bunce big time next outing (not sure when that is � Raffy could you please put at least upcoming fixtures in the programme?) though imagine that will allow Charlie Hoyle to start.

Barlow is worth starting and I imagine the unsuspended Michael Gwyther will challenge Peat for the role of popping up on the right flank every 20 minutes or so.

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But Waikato had the stronger defence, at least until Che Bunce got sent off, and the midfields were pretty even. (Former Wanderers player Matt Kennedy started for manawatu).

The teams were very even until this point. Waikato had some good scoring chances, mostly from well-worked set plays, and Nicholson made two superb saves.

Manawatu are a strange mix. Their good players are very good, and their ordinary players are very ordinary.

I�d have backed Waikato to have got at least a point had Bunce not been sent off. Bunce is easily Waikato�s most influential player (with daylight second).

His first booking was silly � gobbing off at the ref, and his second for a body check, was the sort of occupational hazard you get with such a physical players as Che.

 



Your right Bruce your man Bunce was the most influential player on the park and he was also the most influential player when it came to the final scoreline. A coach should be a role model and to get sent off and to hand 3 points to the opposition is disgusting. He has let his players down who im guessing worked very hard for his team. From all accounts it seems Waikato were playing ok before his departure. Good to see Wasi Mauri score...Congratulations to Wilkinson on his 50th league game.
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Funny how people see a game
Samson was ok in the physical chasing and getting a foot in but his distribution was awful.
Waikato played a three in central midfield with Wilkinson playing at the head  to keep Raf Di Gregorio quiet which he did for the first half but looked better in 2nd half when it went to 10 men played forward more and started the move that set up the goal.Simkin and Van Rooyen played sideways and back cos thats all they see.
Waikato don't know how to play through midfield ,they play in to midfield and it comes straight back cos Simkin and Van rooyen don't know how to recieve and play forward but Van Rooyens effort and work rate is excellent but he's not a playmaker.Simkin is over hyped .
Peat shows real ability but needs more quality around him if Holloway had been up front with him Waikato would have won comfortably. Manawatu were very ordinary and there for the taking.Match organisation left a lot to be desired
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Didn't think Samson's distribution was too bad yesterday and I can't think of another player in the squad who could have cancelled out the pace of takayumi and Soromon down that side. Without him Manawatu would have won comfortably.
 
I agree with your comments about van Rooyen. he is a great fox terrier and can tidy a lot of stuff up, but playing the ball forward is possibly the bit of his game that needs the most work.
 
Peat has tidy feet and a big future in the game. But again, seems like he's not so much at home with his back to goal, though i would also like to see him workign more centrally, and affecting the game a bit more.
 
Wasi is mercurial, but perhaps doesn't link enough with other team members.
 
But there is still plenty to build on.
 
 
 
 
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Turner you expect Bruce Hollaway to say something negative about Dave Samson..mate he would adopt Dave if he was given the chance!
I guess the Bunce dismissal will give another Melville player a game in the waikato jersey Bruce...you must be over the moon by that?! but he will be alongside 'the fridge' so could be a long day at the office! Any news on the McGwyther incident...seemed to be the talking point around kiwitea st..

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How can you really comment Hear it Here when you were at Kiwitea st slagging off the ref in another thread.

Best you pipe down.
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Jeff im sure you know what Peter O'leary is like!! And ive spoken to many who were down watching your team play and by all accounts it was pish!! And to be fair i never really commmented on what happend in your game so why dont you pipe down and go make a banner or something!

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Hello, Hear it here. If I was going to say something negative there would be quite a few players in line before David Samson, who has pretty much earned his corn this season.
 
I accept Samson for what he is. He is not a cerebral or visionary player, and Turner is right, his distribution does need work. I just don't think that weakness was a key factor in Sunday's game.
 
I would rather have Bunce playing at the back than Charlie Hoyle, though have admired the progress Charlie has made in the past 12 months. He has got himself superfit, and has grown in confidence and his decision-making has improved.
 
However Samson may move to centre back, with Van Rooyen moving to right back, with Barlow coming into the loop. I'd give Wilkinson another start, but reassess Joe Simpkins' role.
 
What a player gets up to when he is not on team duty is his own lookout, not that of the club. And why do you call him McGwyther? His real name is fine.
 
 
 
 
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There was a Waikato player arrested at the football. so What?????

He was running on the pitch when we won to celebrate, if more NZ football players/supporters had as much passion as this maybe our local competition would be in a better place!
 
He had no football game that weekend so what he does is up to him - if he was arrested for parking tickets would you care that he played for Waikato and be telling tales on him on public forum??
 
Auckland City were there as a team representing the club - different story, this player was there on his own accord representing himself so he is able to do what he pleases
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Interesting Jonesy...im sure any other team in the world would not tolerate one of their players getting arrested...in most cases they have contracts torn up or loose wages. But your unprofessional attitude somes up the franchise i guess!!Surely you want role models especially for your kids club down there. Bruce i thought his name is Micheal McGwyther...if its not then what is it....
Bruce ofcourse you admire Hoyle...hes a Melville player...and once again you refer to a player whose extremly fit...yes fitness is important but like Samson he is an athlete but cant pass ten yards! no good! From all reports your best player is aged 39 and that must be concerning...at that age a player is limited, there has to be young players shining for your team for a bright future!

Hear it H'
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C'mon, it's not hard to find out how to spell a players name... getting it right should be obligatory when you're posting about him every week. Stop being so ignorant and Do your homework!

Whether someone does or does not play for Melville is not a basis for admiration at NZFC level.
 
For instance, how do you reconcile the fact that I think Barlow and Wilkinson should be starting?
 
But first another question which a lot of readers may have had on their lips: Just as a matter of interest, how old are you, Hear It?
 
 
 
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Bruce lets say im a fair bit younger than you my friend in my 40's. However i do apoligise for spelling a name wrong! i dont get the programme out and copy names out of it like you! Im sure players get called worse things in there life and so do you im sure!!
Bruce next time City play your lot il introduce myself!! il look for you flying a Melville flag or Bunce Banner!!
No one said this was your forum so dont act like your the big cheese in this thread!! All you want people to do is jump on your back and agree with every view you have!! Not me...
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At least Bruce posts under his own name and does provide objectivity.

If he was such the Melville 1-eyed man you suggest, then why is he basically saying (and I am drawing conclusions) that Simkins isn't doing the job he should be. He's certainly no midfielder at this level.

As for Peter O'Leary, I have no beef with him. You assume I am a Waikato supporter when in fact I am far from it. They are very ordinary, but I do respect Bruces opinion to be objective so I put more weight in his opinion than yours. As for 'my' team', my team is Team Wellington and I was there watching them Sunday. Yes they are shyte at the moment. Doesn't require a degree in astrophysics to figure that one out.

You are just trolling for the sake of a rise and unfortunately, its working. Wont with me any longer.
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Hear it Here wrote:
Interesting Jonesy...im sure any other team in the world would not tolerate one of their players getting arrested...in most cases they have contracts torn up or loose wages.


No your players are a law unto themselves and refuse to listen to coaches and get two of them fired when they decide they don't want to train or listen to the coach.

Your mob are no angels so stop waxing on.
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Hear it here- "Interesting Jonesy...im sure any other team in the world would not tolerate one of their players getting arrested...in most cases they have contracts torn up or loose wages. But your unprofessional attitude somes up the franchise i guess!!"
 
I have nothing to do with the Waikato franchise I am just sticking up for a young player.... contracts torn up? lose wages? the Waikato player probably has neither of these!! In fact he probably pays a fortune in gas to get to games and training!!! give the young fella a break he just wants to play as high as he can in NZ as well as have a good time dont berate him for that.
 
But now you mention here it here ....the senior City players who broke their curfew in Wellington surely got fined and contracts torn up right? and the City player who was recently arrested for D.I.C he is definately no longer at the club right? surely no team in the world would tolerate that!!
 
 

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