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Posted November 30, 2012 07:24 · last edited November 30, 2012 07:26

Stray Cat wrote:

 Hi Doris,

Good on you for admitting you were wrong and withdrawing your comments because they were completely out of order and based on blind prejudice. We need more posters to do that.

But in your latest post I don't think "logic" is quite the word you are looking for.

You must realise that 2 years ago these players were young even for a youth team (where the age limit was 19 or even U20), depending on what stage of the World Youth Cup cycle we were in.

And the coach of the time, Peter Smith, had plenty of other lads to choose from who were older. You are correct that some of the older lads played outside the franchise. You could hardly blame Adam Thomas for taking up a spot with Auckland City, while Jesse Smith was not wanted - quite rightly in my opinion - by Waikato (I didn't think he was near good enough) but somehow got a gig with Wellington. I think Lissette has really come of age recently - just in time to be out with long-term injury. But two years ago he was certainly not wanted at national league level in Waikato - he had hardly had a northern league game - but he went somewhere he could get a game in summer.

Alexie Campbell-Davies was eligible, was selected and definitley did play for Waikato youth, because he shows up as a goalscorer in youth reports. Not 100 per cent sure on Wallis, but I think he was also selected.

I can't see that any sin has been committed by anyone. Even Declan Edge players most often simply do what is in their best interests without any hidden agenda or unspoken motives.

But happy to be corrected if you know stuff I don't.

Once again, good on you for putting up your hand about being so far off the mark with your earlier comments.

 

 

 

 

Waal........ Not an entire back track. It needs to be acknowledged that while those players were a year younger, some were the same age or older than players who turned out .............. the following year they were playing in the senior side after a season in the NRFL Reserve league (a poor comp, no disrespect intended), while reasonable players who had several years of playing in the youth comp and even NRFL Prem.. were overlooked, IMHO, purely because they weren't part of Edges program, (some had initially been selected by Edmonson prior to his departure). I personally think the board were negligent and naive. This action disenfranchaised, virtually the whole Waikato BOP football community, who WaiFC needed on board,................ despite the ramping of some.

I'm not saying all his academy players aren't any good, Ryan Thomas has the potential to be one of the best midfielders in the country and has a bright future, Awad is also a top prospect. Some however are fairly ordinary, none moreso than H E. 

A CD went off to play at Onehunga, (now defunct) the previous year due to D E advice(instruction).

My point was, the statements of Edge were in complete contrast to his actions regarding allways being a WaiFC man. He's made some ridiculous, idiotic comments over the years along with abuse of youngsters (10 -12 year old), parents and match officials.

 

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Doris edited November 30, 2012 07:26
Stray Cat wrote:

 Hi Doris,

Good on you for admitting you were wrong and withdrawing your comments because they were completely out of order and based on blind prejudice. We need more posters to do that.

But in your latest post I don't think "logic" is quite the word you are looking for.

You must realise that 2 years ago these players were young even for a youth team (where the age limit was 19 or even U20), depending on what stage of the World Youth Cup cycle we were in.

And the coach of the time, Peter Smith, had plenty of other lads to choose from who were older. You are correct that some of the older lads played outside the franchise. You could hardly blame Adam Thomas for taking up a spot with Auckland City, while Jesse Smith was not wanted - quite rightly in my opinion - by Waikato (I didn't think he was near good enough) but somehow got a gig with Wellington. I think Lissette has really come of age recently - just in time to be out with long-term injury. But two years ago he was certainly not wanted at national league level in Waikato - he had hardly had a northern league game - but he went somewhere he could get a game in summer.

Alexie Campbell-Davies was eligible, was selected and definitley did play for Waikato youth, because he shows up as a goalscorer in youth reports. Not 100 per cent sure on Wallis, but I think he was also selected.

I can't see that any sin has been committed by anyone. Even Declan Edge players most often simply do what is in their best interests without any hidden agenda or unspoken motives.

But happy to be corrected if you know stuff I don't.

Once again, good on you for putting up your hand about being so far off the mark with your earlier comments.

Waal........ Not an entire back track. It needs to be acknowledged that while those players were a year younger, some were the same age or older than players who turned out .............. the following year they were playing in the senior side after a season in the NRFL Reserve league (a poor comp, no disrespect intended), while reasonable players who had several years of playing in the youth comp and even NRFL Prem.. were overlooked, IMHO, purely because they weren't part of Edges program, (some had initially been selected by Edmonson prior to his departure). I personally think the board were negligent and naive. This action disenfranchaised, virtually the whole Waikato BOP football community, who WaiFC needed on board despite the ramping of some.

I'm not saying all his academy players aren't any good, Ryan Thomas has the potential to be one of the best midfielders in the country and has a bright future, Awad is also a top prospect. Some however are fairly ordinary, none moreso than H E. 

A CD went off to play at Onehunga, (now defunct) the previous year due to D E advice(instruction).

My point was, the statements of Edge were in complete contrast to his actions regarding allways being a WaiFC man. He's made some ridiculous, idiotic comments over the years along with abuse of youngsters (10 -12 year old), parents and match officials.

Doris edited November 30, 2012 07:25
Stray Cat wrote:

 Hi Doris,

Good on you for admitting you were wrong and withdrawing your comments because they were completely out of order and based on blind prejudice. We need more posters to do that.

But in your latest post I don't think "logic" is quite the word you are looking for.

You must realise that 2 years ago these players were young even for a youth team (where the age limit was 19 or even U20), depending on what stage of the World Youth Cup cycle we were in.

And the coach of the time, Peter Smith, had plenty of other lads to choose from who were older. You are correct that some of the older lads played outside the franchise. You could hardly blame Adam Thomas for taking up a spot with Auckland City, while Jesse Smith was not wanted - quite rightly in my opinion - by Waikato (I didn't think he was near good enough) but somehow got a gig with Wellington. I think Lissette has really come of age recently - just in time to be out with long-term injury. But two years ago he was certainly not wanted at national league level in Waikato - he had hardly had a northern league game - but he went somewhere he could get a game in summer.

Alexie Campbell-Davies was eligible, was selected and definitley did play for Waikato youth, because he shows up as a goalscorer in youth reports. Not 100 per cent sure on Wallis, but I think he was also selected.

I can't see that any sin has been committed by anyone. Even Declan Edge players most often simply do what is in their best interests without any hidden agenda or unspoken motives.

But happy to be corrected if you know stuff I don't.

Once again, good on you for putting up your hand about being so far off the mark with your earlier comments.

Waal Not an entire back track. It needs to be acknowledged that while those players were a year younger, some were the same age or older than players who turned out .............. the following year they were playing in the senior side after a season in the NRFL Reserve league (a poor comp, no disrespect intended), while reasonable players who had several years of playing in the youth comp and even NRFL Prem.. were overlooked, IMHO, purely because they weren't part of Edges program, (some had initially been selected by Edmonson prior to his departure). I personally think the board were negligent and naive. This action disenfranchaised, virtually the whole Waikato BOP football community, who WaiFC needed on board despite the ramping of some.

I'm not saying all his academy players aren't any good, Ryan Thomas has the potential to be one of the best midfielders in the country and has a bright future, Awad is also a top prospect. Some however are fairly ordinary, none moreso than H E. 

A CD went off to play at Onehunga, (now defunct) the previous year due to D E advice(instruction).

My point was, the statements of Edge were in complete contrast to his actions regarding allways being a WaiFC man. He's made some ridiculous, idiotic comments over the years along with abuse of youngsters (10 -12 year old), parents and match officials.