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Waikao FC. UNOFFICAL UPDATE

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Waikao FC. UNOFFICAL UPDATE
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The following are exerts from Bruce Hollaways match report from the weekend.  Try not to laugh or pass judgment.
He teed it up for Wilkinson, who lashed it into the net from just inside the area.

Having already been booked, Wilkinson was on thin ice when he celebrated by gesticulating at some Auckland fans who had been niggling at him all afternoon.

The fourth official argued a case for a second booking for Wilkinson, but referee Nick Waldron thought better of it.

It was a bittersweet afternoon for Wilkinson, who had been with Auckland for the previous two seasons.

"Scoring that goal exorcised a lot of demons," he said. "But in the final analysis when you�ve lost the match it hardly matters."

To cap it off, Wilkinson�s girlfriend missed the goal because she was locked out by Waikato Stadium officials.

Some days it seems as if the stadium has as two security staff for every fan, and after they discovered alcohol in her handbag during a mandatory ground entry search, they used their combined muscle to thwart her entry at every gate.

Raises some intresting questions.  Do you tell you girl she shouldn't feel bad as the security was being a bit silly that day?  Or do you question her drinking and ask the tough questions like,  Am I really that boring to watch?  Does she take a hip flask to the movies?  

Also  in the match report
The afternoon finished on an unfortunate note when Waikato FC decided not to have aftermatch speeches after dragging Auckland City back to their awkwardly-located central-city bar headquarters. The club did not bother to communicate its new policy to anyone, least of all bemused Auckland officials.
 
Sounds as though things are going from bad to worse.  A total attendence of 300 and no aftermatch or clubrooms,  Import just left and two best players playing in Fiji and Steven Holloway not fully fit. But still people in Hamilton can be proud of one thing..............Best strip in the NZFC
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Gumboot wrote:
.........But still people in Hamilton can be proud of one thing..............Best strip in the NZFC
 
Apart from Team Wellington's, maybe

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Strange lot the officials at Waikato Stadium.

I was sitting behind the Auckland bench not far from the dug out when this guy came down towards the tunnel past me. He was ranting and raving at this guy from Waikato about being allowed to stay.

Apparently, this guy, his wife and two kids were kicked out of the stadium for bringing in bread rolls to feed their kids. If this is true, and judging by the mans family size and his anger I'd say likely, the question has to be asked in Waikato if they are just as much a bunch of muppets off field as on. While I respect that the Stadium and the team are separate organisations, this is just absolutely pathetic. I wasn't allowed to bring in a 750ml pump bottle either which I begrudgingly threw away assuming I could buy another inside. Nothing open at all!

I could understand if they had amenities open and were selling food but depriving kids of bread rolls at a football game on a Sunday afternoon in Hamilton where slightly more than 2 men and a dog turned up is just pathetic. What is going on in Hamilton??
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Not that I went there myself, but what part of the Food counter was not open? (or were you just really early?)  I saw plenty of people with food. Chips, hot dogs, burgers, beers. Stadi-Yum, more like Stadi-bloody-rip-off, but I digress, they were open.
 
A friend of mine got asked to eat the mars bar he had in his bag before going into the previous game. He told them his kid was diabetic and had to have it at half time . They begrudgingly let him take the contraband in.
 
Yes, it's a load of bollocks when you can't take in a snack or a drink, especially with the prices they charge, but I imagine it is just stadium policy, nothing the club can do about it. (When they played at Porritt Stadium near the end of last season I don't think there was any such policy).
 
As for the post-match venue - the stadium has excellent facilities, but would not be cheap. We go back to Frankton Railways club, Weka Street (home of the Floppy Noodles). Feel free to join us -  the Wai Front.
s2art2007-12-03 22:50:27
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Gumboot - Quality article, most entertaining!
 
'Does she take a hipflask to the movies?'
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i hear luke findlay is on the verge of leaving..apparently has trials with Perth Glory
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I have heard that David Samson wants away too.....whats happened.....should we not start asking the question of Wilkinson or am i the only stupid one????
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playa wrote:
i hear luke findlay is on the verge of leaving..apparently has trials with Perth Glory
 
You must be kidding, plays well in patches but no hope to take the next step up. Struggles with basic control 
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The team is in a bit of a state from the sounds of it.

Findlay struggles at Northern League level let alone A-League so I'm going to assume thats a deliberate troll. They've got two of there better players who for one reason or another, are not playing. Funny that Bunce is forgoing the NZFC to concentrate on his real estate career yet is playing up in Fiji. Thats speaks volumes. The big lump Williams left and to be fair, spoke a better game than delivered. Doubt he'll ever be back to his U21 Welsh form if in fact it was much better than that. Talk of Dave Samson wanting to leave and the Wilkinator getting the love only from his dad (I just love it how he sl*gs his team mates off when he loses possession), surely the alarm bells must be ringing with someone down there....
Agent 472007-12-04 15:42:43
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Seems to me that waikatos love affair with Wilkinson dates back to the early 1990's and the officials haven't realized that times have changed.
he polarizes people and just remind me again what he has won as a coach ? (Chatham Cup 1988 - 20 yeras ago ?)
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Oh dear, I posted a reply to this in the wrong thread. please look up the other one for a response to this. It's not easy trying to work these forums when you're off the Amish farm. Sorry.
 
 
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Bruce i am the little boy who is shouting from the crowd "he is wearing nothing"
 
Or i am just repeating what Auckland City discovered very quickly and booted him asap.
 
Wake up before your emperor brings down another empire.
 
If you wanna start reporting on the Wilkinson Way as a journo you have an responsibilty to report all facts....
 
Reminders........Napier City Rovers.....Waikato Utd......Crystal Palace bullsh*t check google.........English Football Ass (Wilkinson and his mate where renegades).......Auckland City..........And off all his so called success over all these years Bruce who has Roger really developed as a player????????? Who from his so called stable has even played for NZ????
 
 
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I'm posting here as a fan, the same as you, only trying to be a bit less boorish. I have my differences with Roger, but i'm big enough to acknowledge and respect when somebody has done their bit.
 
There will always be debate over whether it is a coach or a players own inate skill that's leads to his development, but you did ask. Here's a list of players Wilkinson  has developed as juniors or had playing under him when selected for New Zealand:
 
Che Bunce, Jonathan Perry, Declan Edge (though he had already made his international breakthrough), Gavin Wilkinson, Darren Follwes (though only NZ Invitiation side, not full internatinoal), Brian Hayes, Paul Nixon, Mark Cossey, Billy Wright, Paul halford, Paul brydon,
 
there are a lot more at age-group level, but you should get the general picture from this.
 
Hope that helps.
 
 
 
 
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Got to love it ay Bruce, if you're not 'too' Melville and anti Roger and Wanderers, you are an apologist for Roger.

Oh how I miss Waikato football politics... NOT !

How's my driving? - Whine here

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yeah i feel for you Bruce. I'm not a Waikato person so my opinion doesn't have a Melville or Wanderers slant. Having viewed 3 of their games, they really are an ordinary side unfortunately and while people were saying top 3, to be fair they were never going to be. That lack 2 playser in the spine of the pitch and the two they had (Bunce and Williams) bailed. Shame because there is some talent there

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futbol u are a twat roger i have my differences wit but he is one of the better coaches in nz sounds like he never rated u ? who knows wat ur beef is but coah wise hes right up there
so dont start sounding out shiite like hes never done anything because the guy gets the best out of average players...chris woods is the next big thing and roger has helped him out alot coaching as well as getting him a contract in west brom
i have had a little to do wit roger and while he may rub some people up te wrong way he knows wat hes on about and in nz theres not too many coaches who do 
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Deal with Bruce first.
 
If you ask the following the will say that Ray Pooley developed them more than Woger.
 
Che Bunce
Jon Perry
 
The following are all English imports please....
 
Darren Fellows
Brian Hayes
Paul Nixon
Billy Wright
Paul Halford
Declan Edge
 
My point here is Woger is someone who is being paraded as a players coach who has produced not one reasonable good home grown player. Surely that is the job of a coach to produce better players???????
 
Bruce who are the age group players and please do not mention anyone currently playing in the nzfc that does not count.....
 
playa trust me he is wearing no clothes.
 
Coach wise who is he up with.......and you might be right with the getting the best out of average, what about getting the best out of good players NOT. (Ask any of the good players at Auckland and they will tell you what they thought of Woger).
 
Its Wood by the way not Woods and hopefully Chris took some good advice and has taken the option to get away from Woger asap and not stay.......Woger has had nothing to do with the development of Chris except to start the boy in a poor Wanderers team in a poor league.
 
Would love to discuss the Wood issue ie next gig thing in 5 years time till then leavr the boy alone......he is alot of work to do before anyone can claim to be the next big thing.
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This is all getting a bit nasty.  So some people like him as a coach some don't . You can't take away what he did a few years back but is is a while ago.  I'm not sure if I read it right but no National League titles? I haven't had to much to do with him at all.  But from what I can gather he would be one of NZ's leading technical coaches but really struggles with man managment (re J Gould) Maybe he would be better suited as an assistant or trainer but as we know in NZ Football there are only a coach and a manager at most clubs with a couple of other workers and with the big profile he has he may well continue to get jobs.  We know NZ football loves someone with a big reputation and will employ on that alone (Shane Rufer) . 
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Okay, it depends what you mean by "produce". Does a national league coach ever "produce" players, as opposed to mould them into something to suit his purposes. Indeed, is that even his job? Is not "production" a prior charge on the junior development set-up?
 
Why do you call him Woger? Is there a reason? Or just immaturity?
 
if you won't accept that a coach affects player performance to the degree that they develop further, perhaps to international level, then I don't know what this conversation is about.
 
I certainly agree that Ray pooley played a role in the development of Che and Jonathan, acting as their schools of excellence coach for several years. But what internationals has any single coach produced? Its not a cut-and-dried thing. it's a combined effort. Roger gave them both their first national league starts, from memory.
 
At age group level: Roger worked with the following players when they were U20 or U23 internationals:
 
Kane Lynch, Gavin Wilkinson, Brian Chsholm, Gary kingi, Shane Gillies, Dom Rogerson, Tony Roberts, Hoani Edwards, Paul Caton, Angus Campbell, Andrew Griffith, Michael Mayne. If you want to count the current, Aaron Scott and Dave samson, (NZ A to Fiji) as well, that I can recall off the top of my head.
 
Please give me a comparative list for any other current national league coach.
 
You discount players he has worked with because they have English heritage. Why?
 
What comments do you make for Cossey and Gav wilkinson?
 
Senior coaches had often found their approach or methods don't work with the culture of a particular group of players. I can recall Kevin Fallon falling foul of many set-ups. I don't think that makes him  a bad coach, necessarily, either. I don't think it makes Declan edge a bad coach because he was dumped by waikato.
 
Some players will dislike Roger's methods, other will relate to them. But I don't see how you can completely dis somebody on that basis.
 
For instance, Roger has no time for my particular club, and has obviously not been able to forge a workign relatinoship with some handy waikato players. But that in itself does not amount to writing the guy off. 
 
until last summer, Roger had not been competitively coaching for a number of seasons, working more in consultancy coaching.
 
I have respect for him, having seen him impart technical knowledge about the game into players both senior and junior, over a 20-year period. He worked with both of my sons, and many of their age band at a volunteer level at the same time as coaching a national league team.
 
I don't like some of Roger's methods in some spheres, and we agree to disagree on some issues of the game. But I don't think you have substantiated your case here that he has no clothes. I'll respect your view more if you explain your standing in the game, and your expertise in making such withering judgements.
 
Finally, who around here is a good coach, if you apply your same subjective judgement criteria to them? And who have they "developed"?
 
Thanks in advance
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Thanks Bruce.
You have made your points well but i still don't see Roger as the man to solve the problems in waikato and he may well make things worse ?.
Not sure however that anyone can solve the Waikato problem!
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well if aint the man who is?? the guy is a great technical coach...futbol u sound like roger may have over looked u in the past??   also wood has propered under roger and even stated that in his speech at the wanderers prizegiving he will go along way in football and some of that  has to go to roger..poor league premier northern league?? it had the top playaz in nz and chris was 2nd equal in the goalscoring dept
 
auckland city boys didnt like him cause he wanted them to actually train and play not just play, bigwigs like Jordan didnt like being benched when they didnt come to training shows alot about the club really and that will come back to haunt them ...u cant let players be bigger than the coach ....
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I would defend that with saying look at Colin Tuaa.

Under him ACFC are disciplined, happy, playing good football and training

I think he could improve Waikato although maybe not ultimately solve their problems

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