i must add, that the problems at waitak show the franchise national league in a poor light vs the club option
Waitakere United
i must add, that the problems at waitak show the franchise national league in a poor light vs the club option
i'm thinking that the best resourced clubs end up near the top in a promotion/relegation national league - i.e. the clubs with a combination of finances, good admin, good structures, good playing numbers, good coaching, good facilities. the biggest factor often being $$$.
the franchises are just there, for better or for worse, regardless of how well they are run or resourced compared to the nations stronger clubs
youngheart, otago and waikato wouldn't have survived in a promotion/relegation club league. they would have been usurped by a bigger stronger, better resourced and better financed club and the standard of the league would be the better for it
i related this to waitak because it appears that players won't play unless they are well paid. if this happened in a club league, the standard wouldn't suffer because those players would resurface elsewhere in the league ,waitak would inevitably be relegated, and the league would evolve
(for better or for worse)
franchise leagues need to be constantly moving forward to be sustainable. the lack of sponsorship or tv money has meant that the awesomeness of the nzfc in it's early days has now been eroded away to the point where we are left with one outstanding team, 2 contenders who could nick a win off them and a bunch of development sides making up the numbers.
i must add, that the problems at waitak show the franchise national league in a poor light vs the club option
i'm thinking that the best resourced clubs end up near the top in a promotion/relegation national league - i.e. the clubs with a combination of finances, good admin, good structures, good playing numbers, good coaching, good facilities. the biggest factor often being $$$.
the franchises are just there, for better or for worse, regardless of how well they are run or resourced compared to the nations stronger clubs
youngheart, otago and waikato wouldn't have survived in a promotion/relegation club league. they would have been usurped by a bigger stronger, better resourced and better financed club and the standard of the league would be the better for it
i related this to waitak because it appears that players won't play unless they are well paid. if this happened in a club league, the standard wouldn't suffer because those players would resurface elsewhere in the league ,waitak would inevitably be relegated, and the league would evolve
(for better or for worse)
franchise leagues need to be constantly moving forward to be sustainable. the lack of sponsorship or tv money has meant that the awesomeness of the nzfc in it's early days has now been eroded away to the point where we are left with one outstanding team, 2 contenders who could nick a win off them and a bunch of development sides making up the numbers.
You assume too much. The franchises have just been doing what they've been doing under the current rules. YHM got a big shock when they were booted - the rules changed on them without them being advised! It was a total ninja move by NZF! So you can't say Waitako or Otago wouldn't have survived Reg. If the rules were 'you are gonna get relegated' who's to say they wouldn't have got their act together? On the contrary Otago (who have shown true their true Scots roots and have chosen not to bankrupt themselves just to do well in the current comp at the expense of developing local players) may have just worked a lot harder to find more money to improve themselves - at least this is my opinion. Because there is money down there when it matters and it's big money. And the Waikato boys may have fought like hell to survive also. You can't make those big statements Reg, because you just don't know.
my whole post was just a theory
personally, i'm not sure how i feel about it. i think i prefer franchises actually.
one thing you can't deny is that waikato, otago and youngheart frequently performed poorly. my point was that you cannot get away with this in a promotion / relegation structure. so you've actually backed up my point by saying that they may have got their act together had relagation rules been in place. by not having relegation, they have meandered along.
agree, it was a ninja move by nzf. very unfair on youngheart
I have nothing more than a score sorry.
That is embarrassing for them. If Rex was still involved, this would not be happening. Give us a wave Bill McGowan and his coaching muppets. Anyone still wanna argue that coaching school girls is a perfectly good lead in for coaching an ASBP side?
Think you are being a bit unkind to Bill. He has been an excellent coach in the past and was with Waitakere more than 20 years ago and they were very successful then.
I know Bill is not coaching. John Adshead took us to Spain cause he had Fallon coaching the team. Don't believe me, ask Sam or Turner. As for the Knights, he recruited piss poor players. I had a look at the players he signed before the season and it was obvious that they were not up to the standard of the Australian sides, and I predicted before the first game that they would not be competitive.
I'm not getting into an argument about what Adshead has or has not done. The point is, I'm debating what they do now, not in the past or their glory years and Bill is the same. He gets judged on what he is doing now and from the outside looking in, driving the franchise into the ground. It may be the right move for say in 5 years time, but come out and say that.
Has Smalley arrived yet?
He is not coming unless you know something we don't...
has anyone got any names yet? i.e. who has been involved in playing pre season?
Wayne Smith, Terry Smith, Chad Smith, Billy Smith, Jake Smith, Eric Smith, Trev Smith, Willy Smith, Carlos Smith, Reg Smith....
... sorry, forgot Bruce Smith - but he's decided to stay with AFC Fury.
He is not coming unless you know something we don't...
No I just read something on here that he was coming and was a little surprised as I thought he had been at Portsmouth and the English FA as well as somewhere in Australia too? Plus the fact I thought he was disliked by most during his time in NZF?
But losing to Club sides, scratch sides and the u17's does not bode well for the coming season...?
Pressure will be on ...
Sorry to see Ian Hogg moving to Fred Taylor, he's better than that. Wish he was still at ACFC.
Strange site. Seems not all quite there - bit like Waitak.
huge amount of errors all through it...
I'm a Waitak fan living in Brisbane and I must say the clubs marketing is pretty bad compared to a club like City. Waitak's website looks cheap and nothing is kept up to date which doesn't help anyone.
Strange site. Seems not all quite there - bit like Waitak.
ha ha
yeah, it's half built, but hopefully the site will become useful for NZ news aggregation
if anyone would like their blog fed to the site, email me at [email protected]. all you need is a valid rss feed and i'll set things up to post links to your blog posts automatically as they are published
waitak have signed a richard cardoza. could this be richie cardozo?
they've also picked up jarrod young from waikato, james debenham, harshae raniga and a bunch of other guys i've never heard of:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info.cgi?c=1-4499-124595-0-0&a=CLEAR
coombes, robinson, butler, myers, shelley, cuneedn, solomons, morgan, prattley, stansfield also there
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cardozo Perhaps this one?
Its going to be a hard season I think for the team considering the players they have lost. Krishna will not be easy to replace and I don't know who they have brought in to try and replace him.
Jarrod Young, interesting. Still 19 I believe, very good player for Wanderers but not in the WaiBOP team - not sure whether they didn't want him, or whether he had already signed. Definitely wouldn't have made last year's Waitak squad so that says a lot about their new finances.
I don't understand how Waitak's money situation is less than some other teams considering how successful they have been (excluding the FIFA CWC). I would have thought a number of good players would want to stay or go to Waitak unless they can't play the wages that are being demanded.
I don't understand how Waitak's money situation is less than some other teams considering how successful they have been (excluding the FIFA CWC). I would have thought a number of good players would want to stay or go to Waitak unless they can't play the wages that are being demanded.
has anyone got any names yet? i.e. who has been involved in playing pre season?
Jordan Lowden, 21 yr-old Scot from Peninsular Power, Brisbane. Attacking LB/mid. Ex- Celtic (3 apps, all nonSPL), ex-Brechin City, ex-Nike Academy (Nottingham, UK). 20 Scottish age group caps.
has anyone got any names yet? i.e. who has been involved in playing pre season?
Richie Cardozo, 27 yr-old Oz attacking mid. Ex- Rockdale City Suns (NSWPL), ex- LASK Linz (Austrian 1st Div), ex- Hume City (VPL), ex- Richmond (VPL). 2011 VPL top scorer (19 goals with Richmond) and VPL MVP. 3 Australian Under-17 caps. Played one season for Waitakerie in ASB (2005).
has anyone got any names yet? i.e. who has been involved in playing pre season?
Richie Cardozo, 27 yr-old Oz attacking mid. Ex- Rockdale City Suns (NSWPL), ex- LASK Linz (Austrian 1st Div), ex- Hume City (VPL), ex- Richmond (VPL). 2011 VPL top scorer (19 goals with Richmond) and VPL MVP. 3 Australian Under-17 caps. Played one season for Waitakerie in ASB (2005).
Have Waitakere signed Cardozo? Farken quality player, has ripped up NPL this season.
ASB Premiership
We will be show 8 Waitakere United games this season (delayed until Monday night) starting with this weeks game.
We will be show 8 Waitakere United games this season (delayed until Monday night) starting with this weeks game.
ASB Premiership
We will be show 8 Waitakere United games this season (delayed until Monday night) starting with this weeks game.
We will be show 8 Waitakere United games this season (delayed until Monday night) starting with this weeks game.
That should boost your viewer figures no end ....should be able to sell it to Asia too ...they love pix of open pastureland ....
ASB Premiership
We will be show 8 Waitakere United games this season (delayed until Monday night) starting with this weeks game.
We will be show 8 Waitakere United games this season (delayed until Monday night) starting with this weeks game.
That should boost your viewer figures no end ....should be able to sell it to Asia too ...they love pix of open pastureland ....
I get where you're coming from. But you're in danger of being a one-trick pony FB
ASB Premiership
We will be show 8 Waitakere United games this season (delayed until Monday night) starting with this weeks game.
I wish I still lived in NZ to see this because its excellent so hopefully OFC TV does weekly highlights again.
ASB Premiership
We will be show 8 Waitakere United games this season (delayed until Monday night) starting with this weeks game.
We will be show 8 Waitakere United games this season (delayed until Monday night) starting with this weeks game.
That should boost your viewer figures no end ....should be able to sell it to Asia too ...they love pix of open pastureland ....
I get where you're coming from. But you're in danger of being a one-trick pony FB
ASB Premiership
We will be show 8 Waitakere United games this season (delayed until Monday night) starting with this weeks game.
We will be show 8 Waitakere United games this season (delayed until Monday night) starting with this weeks game.
Great stuff - hopefully this leads to some coverage of the whole league... We;; done Sommet.
Squad so far going into Charity Cup match against Auckland City.
I thought Jack Hobson Mcveigh had signed for Hawkes Bay united? must of fallen through I presume
HBU have mulligan, morris, robson and biss, so i doubt they needed him
i'd say waitak would be more attractive for him too
Squad so far going into Charity Cup match against Auckland City.
http://www.waitakereunited.co.nz/players/our-squad/
Wouldn't have picked Chad to be the shy one. Maybe he bad-mouthed the photographer.
I don't know what to expect from this squad and don't think they'll trouble City too much this weekend. I have seen highlights of Lowden play here in Brisbane as his club is 20mins away from me.
The first goal in this video is his from last season, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcuTo-xGMhs. Should be a handy player.
I don't know what to expect from this squad and don't think they'll trouble City too much this weekend. I have seen highlights of Lowden play here in Brisbane as his club is 20mins away from me.
The first goal in this video is his from last season, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcuTo-xGMhs. Should be a handy player.
F***kn screamer!