Wanderers SC
Probably more New Zealanders in that squad than the rest of the ASBP teams combined!
Probably more New Zealanders in that squad than the rest of the ASBP teams combined!
well ,if not would really make even more of a mockery of it , than it already is ,wouldnt it ?
I still don't understand how playing together will improve the players as individuals, which in the end should be the long term point of this exercise. If the team play in 2015 and win an extra group match great, but this thing is only worth it if these players improve individually and some of these guys go on to play for the AWs. In the end I personally am in the Foster camp, when it comes to youth football results at tournaments don't really matter - it's about developing players who can play in a certain way, not developing teams. Are these individuals going to develop more playing for this side? That should be the only question
Because they will be training all summer? Surely that is better than the alternative ie doing nothing.
pretty sure this group have been doing TAP sessions at least 3 times a week all the way to the World Cup and now have started again as well so I think playing in the ASB Premiership is only one part of it.
15 players. No back up keeper. Really?
Guessing Swansea and Ipswich didnt work out for Baker/Patterson
I still don't understand how playing together will improve the players as individuals, which in the end should be the long term point of this exercise. If the team play in 2015 and win an extra group match great, but this thing is only worth it if these players improve individually and some of these guys go on to play for the AWs. In the end I personally am in the Foster camp, when it comes to youth football results at tournaments don't really matter - it's about developing players who can play in a certain way, not developing teams. Are these individuals going to develop more playing for this side? That should be the only question
The more I think about the inclusion of this team in the ASBP, the more I harden my stance against it. In my mind, it's extremely blinkered and short sighted and pretty much sums up what NZF thinks about the national league. The obvious long term view would be for the NZF to make a concerted effort to grow and promote the league to attract more fans and give the youngsters something to aim for. All they really have at the moment is the Phoenix or overseas. If the ASBP was more visible, better attended and better promoted then it would naturally become a better and more sought after breeding ground for young Kiwi players as opposed to this pretend, short term team we have.
I must admit I have flip flopped on the idea a few times now going from dumb idea to great idea and back and forth.
I think the best measure of success for this team (and lets call it an exercise really) is the football they play and improvements they show.
This team will not be in its final shape for 2015 which everyone is aware of but if this team is competitive (and it sounds like it has been thus far) and they can improve over the course of the campaign, then from an U20s perspective, its been a very worthwhile aspect.
I still don't understand how playing together will improve the players as individuals, which in the end should be the long term point of this exercise. If the team play in 2015 and win an extra group match great, but this thing is only worth it if these players improve individually and some of these guys go on to play for the AWs. In the end I personally am in the Foster camp, when it comes to youth football results at tournaments don't really matter - it's about developing players who can play in a certain way, not developing teams. Are these individuals going to develop more playing for this side? That should be the only question
The more I think about the inclusion of this team in the ASBP, the more I harden my stance against it. In my mind, it's extremely blinkered and short sighted and pretty much sums up what NZF thinks about the national league. The obvious long term view would be for the NZF to make a concerted effort to grow and promote the league to attract more fans and give the youngsters something to aim for. All they really have at the moment is the Phoenix or overseas. If the ASBP was more visible, better attended and better promoted then it would naturally become a better and more sought after breeding ground for young Kiwi players as opposed to this pretend, short term team we have.
Because they will be training all summer? Surely that is better than the alternative ie doing nothing.
So would these players not be with other ASBP squads??
Well said Nate. NZF are running effectively running their own private academy and this is the tip of it. Personally, this partly looks like a semi-cynical way to keep people in the NZF system rather than play at other academies and partly a naive, symplistic approach to player development
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11156429
In the end, this is the key for me. Is this really true? Is playing in the ASBP any preparation for "the level of competition at the U20s?
"The key reason behind the inclusion of the Wanderers SC team in the ASB Premiership is to maximise the level of game time, in a cost-effective manner, for a number of our players at a standard which will best prepare them for the level of competition they will face internationally," Aspden said."
Because they will be training all summer? Surely that is better than the alternative ie doing nothing.
So would these players not be with other ASBP squads??
Would they though? Only one has played an ASBP game before.
Its missing a few of the U17 guys like Zac Speedy, Nick Forrester. Wonder where they end up?
Because they will be training all summer? Surely that is better than the alternative ie doing nothing.
So would these players not be with other ASBP squads??
Would they though? Only one has played an ASBP game before.
perhaps
but i would argue that the best answer is to restrict squad sizes to 25 and players over 20 (or whatever) to 18 (players)
this would give at least 7 kids per franchise the proper exposure to national league football alongside quality players
this is what the a-league does
the a-league should be seen as a model for player development. they have had it right since day one and look at the players it has produced
i should add that the aussie state leagues are going down a similar path (controversially) they are implying stricter restrictions on age and nationality in order to enhance player development at the top level
at the moment we have a national league that pretty much allows as many foreign players to play as each club wants with little requirement to play or train young players
then youngheart decide to play young locals and they get hammered and then get the boot
But then they'd be on the bench behind foreigners across a number of sides. And what would that achieve?
I also keep swinging back and forth on whether this is a good idea or not.
teams don't play with the same first eleven. the squad rotation we see in the a-league provides about the right level of exposure for the younglings
in saying that, the asb prem only offers 14 games, so you probably have a point
What a result! Well done the kids on 2-2 draw with canterbury. Match report anyone?
Canterbury are a bit pants without Clapham, but regardless, all the talk about Wanderers being complete pushovers seems vastly exaggerated.
What a result! Well done the kids on 2-2 draw with canterbury. Match report anyone?
Keep an eye on www.sportswebsoccer.com - full match report will appear on there some time this weekend. :-)
Cheers,
JR
Kids could have been 3-1 up at half time. Played much the neater footie, Canty direct & physical. Another Doney goal soon after Canty's 2nd was disallowed for marginal offside - shame as it ended a great passing move. I left before the 4th equalising goal.
Ben Thomas and De Jong the kids' standouts for me. Kelly and Kamo for Canty.
Strange atmosphere at ground - like a family day out.
Kids could have been 3-1 up at half time. Played much the neater footie, Canty direct & physical. Another Doney goal soon after Canty's 2nd was disallowed for marginal offside - shame as it ended a great passing move. I left before the 4th equalising goal.
Ben Thomas and De Jong the kids' standouts for me. Kelly and Kamo for Canty.
Strange atmosphere at ground - like a family day out.
With at least two one on ones (Kamo?) Canterbury could have been 2-0 up before they conceded a kid's goal (central defender tried to dribble tall striker lost the ball and youngster calmly finished.
While leading 2:1 a clear penalty was not given and only ref knows why? Overall, Canterbury team looked to me to often out of shape. Some of the players looked either overweight or unfit. In my view Dragon's MoM was White.
Overall, fair result, kids deserved a point, but nothing more than that. Surprisingly good crowd for ASB game.
good to see michael white back in the asb prem. always rated his direct style
also good to see that wanderers (and waibop) are making the league much stronger than last year
Wanderers should be a good team by next season. It would be a bit strange if they actually ended up winning the league (not that I can see that happening). The loss of Youngheart is a shame but I feel these guys will offer more (at least for two seasons, then what?)
Canterbury are a bit pants without Clapham, but regardless, all the talk about Wanderers being complete pushovers seems vastly exaggerated.
I stand by the opinion that ACFC will murder them.
One ok result against a poor Canty side does not change much.
Canterbury are a bit pants without Clapham, but regardless, all the talk about Wanderers being complete pushovers seems vastly exaggerated.
I stand by the opinion that ACFC will murder them.
One ok result against a poor Canty side does not change much.
And I stand by the opinion that they won't concede 10 as you suggested. I could see 5 or 6 or 7 being put past them, but that's happened to basically every team outside of Waitakere at some stage.
Surely the youth can at worst give Southern a run for their money as spooners, and from what I read about them on these forums before the league began, some people weren't even giving them a shot at that.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11158965
Wanderers 'Special Club'
Perhaps the most scathing line though was...
"We were a bit worried at first that people would think this team new team was us," said Wanderers president Brendon Coker. "But we understand why they have done it and it is no biggie for us. "We were more interested in how they raised the $65,000 for the their team entry fee."
Meanwhile the Wanderers SC name has been accepted in good grace at Porritt Stadium, the home base of Wanderers Sports Club (Hamilton), a football entity which has been incorporated under that handle since 1985.
awesome, good article bruce
Rather team just adopted are they are in. North Harbour FC or something. Wanderers SC is beyond stupid and lazy
So now they have answered that most important question about their acronym, how about the $65000 one, and whether they will get their share of the spoils come World Club Cup time?
Because they will be training all summer? Surely that is better than the alternative ie doing nothing.
So would these players not be with other ASBP squads??
Would they though? Only one has played an ASBP game before.
perhaps
but i would argue that the best answer is to restrict squad sizes to 25 and players over 20 (or whatever) to 18 (players)
this would give at least 7 kids per franchise the proper exposure to national league football alongside quality players
this is what the a-league does
the a-league should be seen as a model for player development. they have had it right since day one and look at the players it has produced
You could equally argue that such a rule change introduction would not be showing the league, other franchises, sponsors, punters etc enough respect. I don't hold with your argument,
The league is there to develop players.
You could equally argue that such a rule change introduction would not be showing the league, other franchises, sponsors, punters etc enough respect. I don't hold with your argument,
The league is there to develop players.
You could equally argue that such a rule change introduction would not be showing the league, other franchises, sponsors, punters etc enough respect. I don't hold with your argument,
The league is there to develop players.
Germaine?
The kids team might achieve it. If even 2-3 of them go on to forge a pro career it will probably be worth it.
You could equally argue that such a rule change introduction would not be showing the league, other franchises, sponsors, punters etc enough respect. I don't hold with your argument,
The league is there to develop players.
Germaine?
The kids team might achieve it. If even 2-3 of them go on to forge a pro career it will probably be worth it.
Yeah but the leagues they end up in won't be perfect so what's the point?
;)
You could equally argue that such a rule change introduction would not be showing the league, other franchises, sponsors, punters etc enough respect. I don't hold with your argument,
The league is there to develop players.
Germaine?
The kids team might achieve it. If even 2-3 of them go on to forge a pro career it will probably be worth it.
I'm not certain the Wanderers idea is develop talent per se, more to keep a core of players together in preparation for the world cup. But that's already been done to death here. There are probably as good or better ways to do this but I struggle with the argument some are putting up that their inclusion is disrespectful to those already in the league etc. At the end of the day, who is it really affecting? The 100 people that turn up to watch your game? I'm going to enjoy seeing how some of these kids develop over time.
By the way germane (proper spelling) means closely akin to. I have an edjumication
It's related to Spanish hermano (brother). I have one too. ;-)