Haha bit of irony there JV considering the discussion in the TW thread.
Wanderers SC
Not that stupid a point when players (senior and junior) contribute through levies to have their regional team in the league, only for one other team to get a free ride.
So you'd be happy if they transferred $65k from one of their accounts to another one of their accounts? Or would a simple accounting entry that says they paid themselves $65k do?
They look better than YHM.
Therefore, they add more to the league.
They should also make the league more competitive, which is what we are striving for apparently (in all seriousness it would be a good thing)
At the moment they are proving their worth.
Deal with it.
As for the $65k, forgive me if I have this wrong...but wouldn't that effectively be NZF paying itself $65k? Seems like a bit of a moot (and immature) point to get pissed off about?
The $65k to run the league does need to be found from somewhere else. The point I guess is that the entry fee is supposed to reflect the real cost of running the league for NZF - not some arbitrary fee where money is hived off to be spent elsewhere within the organisation. You have nearly half a million dollars being paid by the franchises, plus the ASB sponsorship (in theory) for that you get refs, website, competition director and what else?? If they can get by without the money from Palmy just seems a bit odd.
The real scandal is that Wanderers get a cut of the O-League money, a competition they are not eligible for (i.e. there is no chance they would ever have to spend the money to compete but they get their share of the prize money - I think that's an absolute scandal).
Yep completely agree with that!
An surprised more isn't being made of that actually.
NZF are basically increasing their cut of that money, when teams really depend on that money to a big extent as there are many struggling to make ends meet.
They look better than YHM.
Therefore, they add more to the league.
They should also make the league more competitive, which is what we are striving for apparently (in all seriousness it would be a good thing)
At the moment they are proving their worth.
Deal with it.
That is one minuscule point amongst a whole bunch of points as to why it's utterly wrong that they are in the league. A league (especially the number one league in a country) is nothing without fans, it's simply a glorified training session.
Not that stupid a point when players (senior and junior) contribute through levies to have their regional team in the league, only for one other team to get a free ride.
So you'd be happy if they transferred $65k from one of their accounts to another one of their accounts? Or would a simple accounting entry that says they paid themselves $65k do?
They look better than YHM.
Therefore, they add more to the league.
They should also make the league more competitive, which is what we are striving for apparently (in all seriousness it would be a good thing)
At the moment they are proving their worth.
Deal with it.
So agree with this. Whether WSC are any good or not is completely irrelevant.
Bring back YHM... And while we're at it, bring in Nelson and South Auckland also.
They look better than YHM.
Therefore, they add more to the league.
They should also make the league more competitive, which is what we are striving for apparently (in all seriousness it would be a good thing)
At the moment they are proving their worth.
Deal with it.
That is one minuscule point amongst a whole bunch of points as to why it's utterly wrong that they are in the league. A league (especially the number one league in a country) is nothing without fans, it's simply a glorified training session.
Wanderers crowd vs Canterbury = 453
Waitak crowd vs Welly = 417
Wanderers have more support than the most successful ASBP team of all time.
Great point buffy
Don't take those figures for anything at all close to gospel, but from everything I saw it wasn't a bad turnout for people watching Wanderers.
They look better than YHM.
Therefore, they add more to the league.
They should also make the league more competitive, which is what we are striving for apparently (in all seriousness it would be a good thing)
At the moment they are proving their worth.
Deal with it.
That is one minuscule point amongst a whole bunch of points as to why it's utterly wrong that they are in the league. A league (especially the number one league in a country) is nothing without fans, it's simply a glorified training session.
Wanderers crowd vs Canterbury = 453
Waitak crowd vs Welly = 417
Wanderers have more support than the most successful ASBP team of all time.
Lucky if there was 200 at Wanderers game.
And it was free entry at good stadium so not sure how you can give acurate attendance
$15 at Fred Taylor Paddock( the worst ground in the league although Cambridge will run it pretty close)
They look better than YHM.
Therefore, they add more to the league.
They should also make the league more competitive, which is what we are striving for apparently (in all seriousness it would be a good thing)
At the moment they are proving their worth.
Deal with it.
That is one minuscule point amongst a whole bunch of points as to why it's utterly wrong that they are in the league. A league (especially the number one league in a country) is nothing without fans, it's simply a glorified training session.
Wanderers crowd vs Canterbury = 453
Waitak crowd vs Welly = 417
Wanderers have more support than the most successful ASBP team of all time.
Lucky if there was 200 at Wanderers game.
And it was free entry at good stadium so not sure how you can give acurate attendance
$15 at Fred Taylor Paddock( the worst ground in the league although Cambridge will run it pretty close)
the fact it's free doesn't mean the crowd doesn't count though - I see both Waitak and ACFC are charging $15 entry now...
(although I hear it was $20 for the charity cup game at FTP)
No it was $15 at the Charity Cup.
shhh, it's the wanderers thread. quieter than the waitak thread.
Looked alright today against Canty. Just lost out to the physicality and strength of Canterbury.De Jong Jr. and Corey Brown the stand outs for mine.
Am I right in thinking that as well as HBU losing the 3 points, that WSC actually were given the points? How does that work? Feel pretty sorry for HBU but no idea the thinking behind why the points didn't just get docked but actually given to WSC.
Standard practice in all leagues.
Hawke's Bay Utd docked points because player not cleared in time yet every single player that played for Wanderers SC that game registered with other clubs!!
Try explaining that to any other national governing body in the world
Pathetic
Hawke's Bay Utd docked points because player not cleared in time yet every single player that played for Wanderers SC that game registered with other clubs!!
Try explaining that to any other national governing body in the world
Pathetic
Hahahaha! Ridiculous.
NZF !
Making OFC look competant !
that is actually a frikkin good point!
so, an invitation XI, with little or no formal registration process can move players in and out as it sees fit gets 3 points from a team that has to adhere to a different set of player movement regulations.
no fucking way bro
and they're shit - worse than youngheart.
that is actually a frikkin good point!
so, an invitation XI, with little or no formal registration process can move players in and out as it sees fit gets 3 points from a team that has to adhere to a different set of player movement regulations.
no fucking way bro
and they're shit - worse than youngheart.
Mate. it's all about the money and 'doing it' on the cheap as far as NZF's concerned.
When was the last time DeJong and co turned up at an ASB game but they'll all find the time (and expense account) to wing over to Brazil for the 2014 World Cup, even though we're not involved.
$%^&
yeah, you get the feeling that the bootstrapping only starts outside of their own front door. but this is a massive conflict that has been unearthed here. may i also add that HBU's acceptance of this fine also has the ceiling effect from the fact that HBU are run by the local federation which of course falls under NZFs umbrella.
i'm sure if cotton or greatholder were asked to comment they'd be livid
my rant on bootstrapping hasn't stopped yet...
the last 2 chatham cup finals has seen a whole bunch of NZF board and staff turn up in both Wellington and Christchurch for no apparent reason other than jumping on a donut.
totally unnecessary, especially when you consider that the gate takings from the relatively small crowds probably would have only covered this donut and none of the actual event costs, let alone the tele coverage that didn't happen (outside CTV)
therefore, a whole heaps of mugs paid good cash to watch these games in order to subsidise frank and his mates being flown down to watch
that is actually a frikkin good point!
so, an invitation XI, with little or no formal registration process can move players in and out as it sees fit gets 3 points from a team that has to adhere to a different set of player movement regulations.
no fucking way bro
and they're shit - worse than youngheart.
Mate. it's all about the money and 'doing it' on the cheap as far as NZF's concerned.
When was the last time DeJong and co turned up at an ASB game but they'll all find the time (and expense account) to wing over to Brazil for the 2014 World Cup, even though we're not involved.
$%^&
I hate to rain on your parade but I've seen De Jong at plenty of ASBP games.
that is actually a frikkin good point!
so, an invitation XI, with little or no formal registration process can move players in and out as it sees fit gets 3 points from a team that has to adhere to a different set of player movement regulations.
no fucking way bro
and they're shit - worse than youngheart.
Mate. it's all about the money and 'doing it' on the cheap as far as NZF's concerned.
When was the last time DeJong and co turned up at an ASB game but they'll all find the time (and expense account) to wing over to Brazil for the 2014 World Cup, even though we're not involved.
$%^&
I hate to rain on your parade but I've seen De Jong at plenty of ASBP games.
I've been to Cambridge, Waitakere and ACFC and can't recall seeing anyone of note this season (including De Jong),
Then again, I haven't seen wanderers play with (Andre son of Fred) where I presume you see De Jong N-Bomb. Good on him for following his son.
Last time I saw Frankie V at an ASB game he was on the receiving end of a bit of feedback (polite) from one of our 'great unwashed'
How many Wanderers games have you actually watched?
Whoops, this is directed to Reg22 who said Wanderers were shit in an earlier post. Interesting that the Christchurch media said that although they lost Wanderers had most of the play in their game over the weekend.
fair enough optimist, it was a call i made in angst
my non-angst version would read something like this...
they haven't yet won a game. youngheart also played well and lost on occasions last season, but were still deserving of being called a poor side on the basis of results alone.
I guess the difference between YH and WSC in my mind, is that despite the lack of results, they appear to have been "in" most games, other than perhaps the Waitak game, based on what I've seen and the reports I've read - which can't be said for YH. Eg I watched the TW game and while TW was all over WSC in the first 25 mins WSC we're making all the play for the rest of the game and really should have had a 3-3 result except the replacement striker had an air swing inside the 6 yard box in the last minute with the goal open!!
Biggest loss to date 4-1, Waitak game, although admittedly WSC have not yet played catch up game v ACFC.
and of course all of this is beside the point that they are actually there for development purposes
other than that, and a few solid performances i'm not sure they've done anything for the league, or that removing youngheart has done anything for the league
i'm not a youngheart fan btw
I guess the difference between YH and WSC in my mind, is that despite the lack of results, they appear to have been "in" most games, other than perhaps the Waitak game, based on what I've seen and the reports I've read - which can't be said for YH. Eg I watched the TW game and while TW was all over WSC in the first 25 mins WSC we're making all the play for the rest of the game and really should have had a 3-3 result except the replacement striker had an air swing inside the 6 yard box in the last minute with the goal open!!
Biggest loss to date 4-1, Waitak game, although admittedly WSC have not yet played catch up game v ACFC.
6pm tomorrow @ Nth Harbour.
Canterbury are a bit pants without Clapham, but regardless, all the talk about Wanderers being complete pushovers seems vastly exaggerated.
I stand by the opinion that ACFC will murder them.
One ok result against a poor Canty side does not change much.
And I stand by the opinion that they won't concede 10 as you suggested. I could see 5 or 6 or 7 being put past them, but that's happened to basically every team outside of Waitakere at some stage.
Surely the youth can at worst give Southern a run for their money as spooners, and from what I read about them on these forums before the league began, some people weren't even giving them a shot at that.
Looks like Wanderers are more competitive than anybody expected, huh? Props to them.
Canterbury are a bit pants without Clapham, but regardless, all the talk about Wanderers being complete pushovers seems vastly exaggerated.
I stand by the opinion that ACFC will murder them.
One ok result against a poor Canty side does not change much.
And I stand by the opinion that they won't concede 10 as you suggested. I could see 5 or 6 or 7 being put past them, but that's happened to basically every team outside of Waitakere at some stage.
Surely the youth can at worst give Southern a run for their money as spooners, and from what I read about them on these forums before the league began, some people weren't even giving them a shot at that.
Looks like Wanderers are more competitive than anybody expected, huh? Props to them.
2-0 and the second goal was scored in the second minute of extra time after Wanderers went down to 10 men with about 10 to play.
Wanderers must improve in front of goal, 1 on 1 with keeper, shot straight at the keeper, tap in on the edge of the 6 yard box, put over the cross bar and on and on .....
Where's your other 8 goals Buffon?!
They'll put 10 past them at Kiwitea.
they need to sign the young Hailemariam that players up front for Hawke Bay United he seems to be doing well! not that HBU will let him go, but pretty sure he young enough.
They'll put 10 past them at Kiwitea.
No they won't - not if they play the way they did tonight, that's certain. Admittedly no Dickinson, Billen, Iwata and Irvine, however you can only play who is in front of you and Wanderers did well and had a part in not allowing AC to play. AC looked impotent.
Lucky tonight ...if Wanderers could finish at all then theyd have easily drawn or won ...ACFC were dreadful ...
Lucky tonight ...if Wanderers could finish at all then theyd have easily drawn or won ...ACFC were dreadful ...
Yeah, one of the worst Auckland City performances I've seen in a very long time, Wanderers were worth a draw at the very least.
yeah, you get the feeling that the bootstrapping only starts outside of their own front door. but this is a massive conflict that has been unearthed here. may i also add that HBU's acceptance of this fine also has the ceiling effect from the fact that HBU are run by the local federation which of course falls under NZFs umbrella.
i'm sure if cotton or greatholder were asked to comment they'd be livid
In fairness when I asked Greatholder for comment in Dunedin, he was disappointed but accepted the club had screwed up.
excuse mefolks but can i just remind you that the wanderers are still winless and also that they lost tonight
this is a mens league, there's no time for this 'not bad for a bunch of kids' crap
excuse mefolks but can i just remind you that the wanderers are still winless and also that they lost tonight
this is a mens league, there's no time for this 'not bad for a bunch of kids' crap
Plus the real test is not if they are successful in the league, it's how many of these kids end up in the U20s and I suppose to a certain extent how the U20s go in the WC