Just looking around the Premier and Youth Leagues, there seem to be a lot of foreigners as coaches [mainly Poms]. Where are all of the Kiwi coaches?
Make a list:
HB - Chandler - Pom
HBY - Hall - Pom
Waikato Y - Either Smith or Thomas is a Pom, if not both [not sure who was actually coach]
AKC - Tribulietx - Spanish is he?
AKCY - Zorro [Kiwi] & Figueria [Spanish or Portugese]
Waitakere - Emblem [Pom]
WCY- McPherson [?]
Otago - Flemming [I'm presuming he is a Kiwi]
Please add and comment.
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Keith Braithwaite certainly doesn't sound like a kiwi
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Jose is about as Spanish as I am Chinese. He likes to think he has football pedigree because he has a continental name but he's about as continental as Billy T James. I think you'll find he has always been an assistant where ever he has been which speaks volumes for his football nouse....
Grumpy old bastard alert
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Manawatu - Bob Sova?? Sat with him at a fundraising dinner last Monday and he sounded kiwi. I could be wrong. Is also the only other coach in NZ along with Ricki who holds a UEFA A Licence.
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Keith Braithwaite is a true Red scouser. Scousers are not poms and he's been in NZ long enough to become a Canterbury icon like Robbie, Richie Sir Richard and Sir Bob, I don't think any of the others in your list can match that. He's a Kiwi then as much as I am.
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Jamie Hall a pome??? are you sure
If he's not, he's got one of those kind of pommy accents that players get hanging around with Poms 
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Keith Braithwaite is a true Red scouser. Scousers are not poms and he's been in NZ long enough to become a Canterbury icon like Robbie, Richie Sir Richard and Sir Bob, I don't think any of the others in your list can match that. He's a Kiwi then as much as I am.
What I'm getting at really is that we don't seem to be doing a good job in upskiilling locals to coach at the highest level. I also noticed a hell of lot of poms coaching at the under 19 tourney this year and at the girls' secondary last year. Maybe it doesn't matter where the coaches come from but you'd want a few coming through wouldn't you?
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Mal McPherson is a pom. He's lived here a while though.
Three for me, and two for them.
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Keith Braithwaite is a true Red scouser. Scousers are not poms and he's been in NZ long enough to become a Canterbury icon like Robbie, Richie Sir Richard and Sir Bob, I don't think any of the others in your list can match that. He's a Kiwi then as much as I am.
And he played for the All Whites....
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Stu Jacobs is most certainly a Kiwi.
Youth team coaches Andy Hedge and Gary Jenkins are both English, but both have lived here a long time. Hedge ten years at least, Jenkins even longer.
Those three are all excellent coaches.
I do think we fall in to the trap of assuming that because a foreigner has played at a certain level that he can come out here and coach automatically.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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- Ricki Herbert UEFA A (kiwi)
- Chris Milicich UEFA A (kiwi)
- Steve Cain UEFA A (English been here 15 years)
- John Herdman UEFA A (English been here 7 years)
- Andy Hedge UEFA A (English been here 10 years)
- Allan Jones UEFA A (English been here 30 years)
- Kevin Falloon UEFA A (English been here 30 years)
- Brett Angel (newbie)
Those are the ones that came to our heads during a pub discussion last night probably a few more that we don't know about - didn't know Bob Sova had an UEFA A badge, I think he has a Pro Licence from Asia. NZ is doing well when the coaches of NZ teams have
- All Whites - 1 UEFA A
- U20 - 2 UEFA A
- U17 - 1 UEFA A
- Ferns - 1 UEFA A
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Keith Braithwaite has a very strong accent. But if I went and watched local football in Nelson, you'd find the majority of the adults still playing are from the UK, or the teenagers who are the best in the city are all from english backgrounds. Adam Smith (played for NZ U17s), english, Matt Shaw (played for NZ secondary schools), english, Alex Ridsdale (plays for NZ U17s), english, Jamie Doris (plays for Hibs U18s), scottish.
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Aaron McFarland's a Kiwi, isn't he?
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Aaron McFarland's a Kiwi, isn't he?
Yes
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- Ricki Herbert UEFA A (kiwi)
- Chris Milicich UEFA A (kiwi)
- Steve Cain UEFA A (English been here 15 years)
- John Herdman UEFA A (English been here 7 years)
- Andy Hedge UEFA A (English been here 10 years)
- Allan Jones UEFA A (English been here 30 years)
- Kevin Falloon UEFA A (English been here 30 years)
- Brett Angel (newbie)
Those are the ones that came to our heads during a pub discussion last night probably a few more that we don't know about - didn't know Bob Sova had an UEFA A badge, I think he has a Pro Licence from Asia. NZ is doing well when the coaches of NZ teams have
- All Whites - 1 UEFA A
- U20 - 2 UEFA A
- U17 - 1 UEFA A
- Ferns - 1 UEFA A
Herbert has his UEFA Pro licence. Mick Waitt is another one has his UEFA A I think and is English but been here ages.
Can't believe we've been stuck with Herdman for 7 years. Think you'll find he's Welsh.
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I think Dave Edmonson, another Englishman, was doing his UEFA licence a couple of years back. Don't know whether he got it or not.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Perhaps a lot of these guys came here for football in the first place and so coaching is more of a natural path for them to follow than for homegrown players.
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Anyway, as long as they're doing a good job does it really matter where it says they're born on their passport?
Three for me, and two for them.
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Anyway, as long as they're doing a good job does it really matter where it says they're born on their passport?
^^ This.
These guys have gone through the UEFA Coaching process then they will be passing that knowledge on to Kiwi born players and coaches. Surely that can only benefit the game here in the long run.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Anyway, as long as they're doing a good job does it really matter where it says they're born on their passport?
^^ This.
These guys have gone through the UEFA Coaching process then they will be passing that knowledge on to Kiwi born players and coaches. Surely that can only benefit the game here in the long run.
Isn't that a bit simplistic though? Most of those listed went through the uefa process after coming here - so they didnt arrive as gurus, they just arrived as englishmen and were installed at the top of the pyramid because of that. Then got domestic funding to become uefa qualified. I'd rather see home grown coaches given those opportunities.
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Didn't say they were gurus and I wasn't debating how, why or when they went through the process. The simple fact that they went through it, and are now applying what they've learned in this country, must be of benefit here. In my opinion.
I'm sure that there will be "home grown" coaches who will be afforded the same opportunities.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I think one of the biggest issues we face with coaches being hired for "profile" jobs or not is their birth certificate.
If offered a kiwi coach with the same experience and qualifications as a Pommy coach, who would seriously be hired. The Pom
Too many people assume that simply by coming from a football country makes you a better player or coach etc than say someone trained in NZ. There are alot of good coaches out there who wont get looked at because they are kiwi.
(basing this on when i was last in NZ)
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Anyway, as long as they're doing a good job does it really matter where it says they're born on their passport?
No it doesn't but that wasn't the point of my post, it was more aimed at "where are the Kiwi coaches?". We've been playing this game for a while now, and while its great to attract these players/coaches that stay here, I wonder what we might need to do to attract a few more locals to coaching at the higher levels.
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- Ricki Herbert UEFA A (kiwi)
- Chris Milicich UEFA A (kiwi)
- Steve Cain UEFA A (English been here 15 years)
- John Herdman UEFA A (English been here 7 years)
- Andy Hedge UEFA A (English been here 10 years)
- Allan Jones UEFA A (English been here 30 years)
- Kevin Falloon UEFA A (English been here 30 years)
- Brett Angel (newbie)
Those are the ones that came to our heads during a pub discussion last night probably a few more that we don't know about - didn't know Bob Sova had an UEFA A badge, I think he has a Pro Licence from Asia. NZ is doing well when the coaches of NZ teams have
- All Whites - 1 UEFA A
- U20 - 2 UEFA A
- U17 - 1 UEFA A
- Ferns - 1 UEFA A
Herbert has his UEFA Pro licence. Mick Waitt is another one has his UEFA A I think and is English but been here ages.
Can't believe we've been stuck with Herdman for 7 years. Think you'll find he's Welsh.
Brett Angle is a very good coach, the best that Hawkes Bay has had in a very long time. I only hope Central football can keep hold of him.
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Anyway, as long as they're doing a good job does it really matter where it says they're born on their passport?
No it doesn't but that wasn't the point of my post, it was more aimed at "where are the Kiwi coaches?". We've been playing this game for a while now, and while its great to attract these players/coaches that stay here, I wonder what we might need to do to attract a few more locals to coaching at the higher levels.
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Interested in reading you enlarging on this. Someone said something about a local coach losing out in a 2 horse race with an overseas coach in getting a job - but not sure if that is true or not. Example Gaffa, who is qualified locally to take HB United, and is a local/NZer?
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I too would be interested in facts about which coach missed out to an overseas less qualified coach. I doubt there has been many if any instances of that happening. Most clubs and chairmen will appoint the highest qualified coach and only compare the two if both coaches are equally qualified and talented. Doesn't mean they get it right or the coach is any good but it is how it works.
Kiwis don't miss out on jobs if they are any good. NZFC/ASB Coaches has seen plenty of kiwis coaching in the league. The reality is you don't get a job in the NZFC/ASB unless you have proven you can coach in a domestic regional league.
Which kiwi has missed out on coaching in the top domestic league to a less qualified person?
P.S. Tuua, Jocobs, Milicich, Edge, Rufer, Halligan, Fleming are all kiwi born and have coached or are coaching in the NZFC/ASB.
Marama2010-12-01 14:56:27
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- Ricki Herbert UEFA A (kiwi)
- Chris Milicich UEFA A (kiwi)
- Steve Cain UEFA A (English been here 15 years)
- John Herdman UEFA A (English been here 7 years)
- Andy Hedge UEFA A (English been here 10 years)
- Allan Jones UEFA A (English been here 30 years)
- Kevin Falloon UEFA A (English been here 30 years)
- Brett Angel (newbie)
Those are the ones that came to�our heads during a pub discussion last night�probably a few more that we don't know about �- didn't know Bob Sova�had an UEFA A badge, I think he has a Pro Licence from Asia. NZ is doing well when the coaches of NZ teams have
- All Whites - 1 UEFA A
- U20 - 2 UEFA A
- U17 - 1 UEFA A
- Ferns - 1 UEFA A
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I read an article a month ago that Bob Sova had the highest coaching qualifications of anyone in NZ. Not sure if this is fact.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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P.S. Tuua, Jocobs, Milicich, Edge, Rufer, Halligan, Fleming are all kiwi born and have coached or are coaching in the NZFC/ASB.
technically, i think declan edge was born in asia. not sure if his dad, eddie (a pom) was already coaching in nz or not either
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Keith Braithwaite has a very strong accent. But if I went and watched local football in Nelson, you'd find the majority of the adults still playing are from the UK, or the teenagers who are the best in the city are all from english backgrounds. Adam Smith (played for NZ U17s), english, Matt Shaw (played for NZ secondary schools), english, Alex Ridsdale (plays for NZ U17s), english, Jamie Doris (plays for Hibs U18s), scottish.
"or the teenagers who are the best in the city are all from english backgrounds".
I do believe I made reference to this "preference" in the NZ under 17 thread!
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Manawatu - Bob Sova??�� Sat with him at a fundraising dinner last Monday and he sounded kiwi. I could be wrong. Is also the only other coach in NZ along with Ricki who holds a UEFA A Licence.
Bob Sova is of Dutch extraction.
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