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Wishes for the new ASBP season

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over 12 years ago

Here are my wishes for the upcoming summer national league.

*  Someone tells NZF that it still exists.

*  Waitakere and WaiBopalulu get covered stands at their grounds, even if only temporary.

*  New Zealand's indifferent football fans actually turn up to watch top local talent.

*  Someone drags a TVNZ producer to a game.

*  Some of the Yellow Fever extend their interest to bolstering TW crowds.

*  Everyone in NZ football suitably appreciates the massive effort of ACFC again winning the O League and keeping the ASBP alive.

*  Can this be the last season without a much needed third Auckland team.


 

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over 12 years ago

I agree with all of your points except the self-felating one about ACFC.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 12 years ago

+1 and LOVE the Waibopalulu moniker. Catchy. 

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 12 years ago
Bluemagic wrote:

Here are my wishes for the upcoming summer national league.

*  Everyone in NZ football suitably appreciates the massive effort of ACFC again winning the O League and keeping the ASBP alive.

What massive effort?

It comes down to one game against Waitekere or as in previous years against far weaker island opposition.

The reason the ASBP is still alive is down to the hard working folk at the franchises outside of Auckland who spend hours upon hours of thankless work trying to attract funding in order for their teams to pay the entry fee each season. Without these people ACFC would not have a league in which to exist.

 

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over 12 years ago
Lee Germon wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:

Here are my wishes for the upcoming summer national league.

*  Everyone in NZ football suitably appreciates the massive effort of ACFC again winning the O League and keeping the ASBP alive.

What massive effort?

It comes down to one game against Waitekere or as in previous years against far weaker island opposition.

The reason the ASBP is still alive is down to the hard working folk at the franchises outside of Auckland who spend hours upon hours of thankless work trying to attract funding in order for their teams to pay the entry fee each season. Without these people ACFC would not have a league in which to exist.

 

+1

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over 12 years ago

Started the flame wars in July. Early this year...

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago

And on the subject of flames, and in particular going-down-in them, is the news I hear about Waitakere Utd true?  Badly in the red, couldn't pay players, Marshall not reappointed, Krishna and some of the brighter lights off to ACFC....

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over 12 years ago

Interesting Nat. Whats the sauce lineage on this...

 

I don't think Krisha fits into the ACFC style to be honest. I would be interested in the ACFC regulars (and lets say for a second that this is true) on their take on having Krishna.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

Interesting Nat. Whats the sauce lineage on this...

 

I don't think Krisha fits into the ACFC style to be honest. I would be interested in the ACFC regulars (and lets say for a second that this is true) on their take on having Krishna.

Credible info from two different sources - one close to the horse's mouth and the other close to to cat's whiskers.  I'm a little surprised someone else hasn't raised it here already - seems to have been on the boil at least a week.
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over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

Interesting Nat. Whats the sauce lineage on this...

 

I don't think Krisha fits into the ACFC style to be honest. I would be interested in the ACFC regulars (and lets say for a second that this is true) on their take on having Krishna.

Ramon's preference is for a couple of these guys: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYZmagbUXtY

They should fit in nicely.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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over 12 years ago
Lee Germon wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:

Here are my wishes for the upcoming summer national league.

*  Everyone in NZ football suitably appreciates the massive effort of ACFC again winning the O League and keeping the ASBP alive.

What massive effort?

It comes down to one game against Waitekere or as in previous years against far weaker island opposition.

The reason the ASBP is still alive is down to the hard working folk at the franchises outside of Auckland who spend hours upon hours of thankless work trying to attract funding in order for their teams to pay the entry fee each season. Without these people ACFC would not have a league in which to exist.

 



Quite right !! ... to get to that final game requires no effort , skill or ability..... Hence the huge swathe of clubs that have accomplished it !
Your insight is as good as your keeping Sir !!
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over 12 years ago
FU BLU wrote:
Lee Germon wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:

Here are my wishes for the upcoming summer national league.

*  Everyone in NZ football suitably appreciates the massive effort of ACFC again winning the O League and keeping the ASBP alive.

What massive effort?

It comes down to one game against Waitekere or as in previous years against far weaker island opposition.

The reason the ASBP is still alive is down to the hard working folk at the franchises outside of Auckland who spend hours upon hours of thankless work trying to attract funding in order for their teams to pay the entry fee each season. Without these people ACFC would not have a league in which to exist.

 



Quite right !! ... to get to that final game requires no effort , skill or ability..... Hence the huge swathe of clubs that have accomplished it !
Your insight is as good as your keeping Sir !!

And your ignorance is just as bad.

Auckland City making the final shouldn't be seen as an accomplishment as much as an expectation. And asking for thanks just emphasizes the arrogant and self-righteous attitude of ACFC fans.

 

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over 12 years ago
Bluemagic wrote:


*  New Zealand's indifferent football fans actually turn up to watch top local talent.




Quite right. How about NZF threatening to take all internationals to Auckland if folks don't turn out for the national league? Hahaha! That would require NZF to take note of one of your other points and actually remember the local league.

Auckland City FC

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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History

IGNORANCE OF WHAT ?


I can recall when ACFC didnt make it and the Scum slipped up ...no nice cash handouts for your hardworking folk then eh !!

Back in your box , you ungrateful whiney person .....



PPS I personally wouldnt require your thanks if Id just dragged you out of a fire....  tho why Id have done that defeats me totally....

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over 12 years ago
Lee Germon wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:

Here are my wishes for the upcoming summer national league.

*  Everyone in NZ football suitably appreciates the massive effort of ACFC again winning the O League and keeping the ASBP alive.

What massive effort?

It comes down to one game against Waitekere or as in previous years against far weaker island opposition.

The reason the ASBP is still alive is down to the hard working folk at the franchises outside of Auckland who spend hours upon hours of thankless work trying to attract funding in order for their teams to pay the entry fee each season. Without these people ACFC would not have a league in which to exist.

 

Fair point and I take my hat off to you.

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over 12 years ago
Lee Germon wrote:
FU BLU wrote:
Lee Germon wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:

Here are my wishes for the upcoming summer national league.

*  Everyone in NZ football suitably appreciates the massive effort of ACFC again winning the O League and keeping the ASBP alive.

What massive effort?

It comes down to one game against Waitekere or as in previous years against far weaker island opposition.

The reason the ASBP is still alive is down to the hard working folk at the franchises outside of Auckland who spend hours upon hours of thankless work trying to attract funding in order for their teams to pay the entry fee each season. Without these people ACFC would not have a league in which to exist.

 



Quite right !! ... to get to that final game requires no effort , skill or ability..... Hence the huge swathe of clubs that have accomplished it !
Your insight is as good as your keeping Sir !!

And your ignorance is just as bad.

Auckland City making the final shouldn't be seen as an accomplishment as much as an expectation. And asking for thanks just emphasizes the arrogant and self-righteous attitude of ACFC fans.

 

Actually a huge effort goes on behind the scenes by dedicated supporters of ACFC to keep it such a competitive franchise. It just doesn't happen by itself. Surely it's a benchmark other franchises should aspire to rather than be accused of being arrogant. That's why I think ACFC should be appreciated for what it has achieved.

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over 12 years ago
NatPevin wrote:

And on the subject of flames, and in particular going-down-in them, is the news I hear about Waitakere Utd true?  Badly in the red, couldn't pay players, Marshall not reappointed, Krishna and some of the brighter lights off to ACFC....

Be sad if true because we need a second competitive Auckland side. Thought Marshall did a good job last season.

As for Krishna, Think I'd prefer Nikolic but won't be surprised if the Fijian flier fancies a crack at the CWC in City colours.With Chino gone I imagine a few ASBP strikers are sending in CVs. 

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over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

Started the flame wars in July. Early this year...

As Trueblue has hightailed it to Los Angeles he asked me to start stirring the pot early.

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over 12 years ago

Really we should all be thanking the degenerate gamblers of NZ, without whom none of this would be remotely possible

Normo's coming home

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over 12 years ago

Absolutely ...and isnt it great that Mr Key and his friends are making it easier for them !

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over 12 years ago

Actually FU BLU, you should be worried that the new pokies at Sky City will suck people out of Trillion Trust venues.

I actually agree with much of Bluemagic's original list above. In addition to NZF paying more attention to the league let me add that they specifically look at finding a more sustainable funding model than relying heavily on the current distributed pokie funding approach. Even if that means working with a single pokie trust to bulk fund the league.

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over 12 years ago

Im hoping for ...a shorter season

                       ....worse management

                       ....less publicity

                        ....fewer crowds ( esp at fred taylor paddock ,cos  when Im in a field in the country , I like to be ALONE in a field in the country  ...)


                        .....a friendly face at Morroccan customs ....

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over 12 years ago
terminator_x wrote:

Actually FU BLU, you should be worried that the new pokies at Sky City will suck people out of Trillion Trust venues.

I actually agree with much of Bluemagic's original list above. In addition to NZF paying more attention to the league let me add that they specifically look at finding a more sustainable funding model than relying heavily on the current distributed pokie funding approach plus payout from FIFA World Club Cup qualification. Even if that means working with a single pokie trust to bulk fund the league.

fixed.

 

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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over 12 years ago

This is my new favourite thread.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 12 years ago
Smithy wrote:

This is my new favourite thread.


Seconded. I love how one way or another every conversation on every thread turns into something about Auckland City.
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over 12 years ago
N-Bomb wrote:
Smithy wrote:

This is my new favourite thread.


Seconded. I love how one way or another every conversation on every thread turns into something about Auckland City.

Articulate supporters with too much time on their hands.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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over 12 years ago
N-Bomb wrote:
Smithy wrote:

This is my new favourite thread.


Seconded. I love how one way or another every conversation on every thread turns into something about Auckland City.




Its a Kiwi team , people care about !
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over 12 years ago

Trolololol

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 12 years ago

Hmmm ,.... well , yes.....but of course !

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over 12 years ago

you can't post here without an auckland vs waitak argument breaking out

you guys should organise fisticuffs

anyway, hopefully waitak doesn't sink.  what's left of this league needs to be moving upwards

360footballnews.com

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over 12 years ago

Been done ....long since , we're over that now ....

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over 12 years ago
terminator_x wrote:

Actually FU BLU, you should be worried that the new pokies at Sky City will suck people out of Trillion Trust venues.

I actually agree with much of Bluemagic's original list above. In addition to NZF paying more attention to the league let me add that they specifically look at finding a more sustainable funding model than relying heavily on the current distributed pokie funding approach. Even if that means working with a single pokie trust to bulk fund the league.

Actually that's not a bad idea. All the pokie trust money could be pooled and distributed equally amongst the franchises which would be a boost for the struggling ones. Provided NZF is kept from grabbing some of it for themselves. 

However the downside is the franchises who make the biggest effort and bring in the trust money would be effectively subsidizing the ones who don't put in the same effort. Wouldn't the temptation then be for the smaller franchises to just ride on the coat-tails of the more successful ones? The end result would be a diluted league with the strugglers doing better and the top franchises downsizing.

There's also the danger that forcing ACFC, the most successful money-raiser in the ASBP, to substantially spread its income would make it harder for the club to mount a serious O League campaign. It's a loss making enterprise putting out a good O League side and competing in the CWC. If that's hampered further then there's the danger of the whole ASBP missing out on the vital O League prizemoney. 

What's needed is a serious injection of funding as prizemoney in the ASBP. Then the franchises are rewarded by effort.

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over 12 years ago
N-Bomb wrote:
Smithy wrote:

This is my new favourite thread.


Seconded. I love how one way or another every conversation on every thread turns into something about Auckland City.

In the same way attention in the ESPL is centred on Man U, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal rather than Wigan Athletic or Norwich. Success breeds interest. Also ACFC is about to compete in a major Fifa tournament for the third season in a row.

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over 12 years ago

I also hear from good sources that Waitakere are in financial trouble . this is despite getting over $800k in funding

The reality is that the league needs ACFC or Waitakere to win the O League to help fund the other franchises. That would be different if NZF invested money in the league but that's not going to happen with VanHuttum in charge

It's a catch 22situation, you want all franchises to be competitive but no one has the financial or player resources to compete with the big 2

Auckland are a well run franchise but I assume there operating budget is between $750 k to $1 m. Compare to Waikato and Otago which is approx $150k- $200 k, you just can't compete . It's not a fact of getting more funding becuase are limited funders in both those regions




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over 12 years ago
Bluemagic wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

Actually FU BLU, you should be worried that the new pokies at Sky City will suck people out of Trillion Trust venues.

I actually agree with much of Bluemagic's original list above. In addition to NZF paying more attention to the league let me add that they specifically look at finding a more sustainable funding model than relying heavily on the current distributed pokie funding approach. Even if that means working with a single pokie trust to bulk fund the league.

Actually that's not a bad idea. All the pokie trust money could be pooled and distributed equally amongst the franchises which would be a boost for the struggling ones. Provided NZF is kept from grabbing some of it for themselves. 

However the downside is the franchises who make the biggest effort and bring in the trust money would be effectively subsidizing the ones who don't put in the same effort. Wouldn't the temptation then be for the smaller franchises to just ride on the coat-tails of the more successful ones? The end result would be a diluted league with the strugglers doing better and the top franchises downsizing.

There's also the danger that forcing ACFC, the most successful money-raiser in the ASBP, to substantially spread its income would make it harder for the club to mount a serious O League campaign. It's a loss making enterprise putting out a good O League side and competing in the CWC. If that's hampered further then there's the danger of the whole ASBP missing out on the vital O League prizemoney. 

What's needed is a serious injection of funding as prizemoney in the ASBP. Then the franchises are rewarded by effort.

You've got a valid point Bluemagic but I think to only so far. What if it was any other team in NZ not named ACFC that won it, would that make a difference? The reality is, we would like an NZ winner even if they are from Timbuktu United from blue fuck nowhere.

 

That does not distract from your point that you are right that there is an injection required but then, the kind of money needed (lets say 1m/year) what does a sponsor get in return for that. And here we go back around in a circle again :o)

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago

Marshall quits scum

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over 12 years ago

Step up Danny Hay

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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over 12 years ago

Interesting as to who would touch that job. Mili got the freeze and they were not accommodating of Emblen. The money has gone and Marshy has walked.

Candidates- Hay, Bazely, Fallon, Knowles, Gertzen.

Bolter - Hobson-McVeigh

Likely - Tuua (he coaches City)

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago


Bazely more likely. He's already well in there.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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over 12 years ago
Bluemagic wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

Actually FU BLU, you should be worried that the new pokies at Sky City will suck people out of Trillion Trust venues.

I actually agree with much of Bluemagic's original list above. In addition to NZF paying more attention to the league let me add that they specifically look at finding a more sustainable funding model than relying heavily on the current distributed pokie funding approach. Even if that means working with a single pokie trust to bulk fund the league.

Actually that's not a bad idea. All the pokie trust money could be pooled and distributed equally amongst the franchises which would be a boost for the struggling ones. Provided NZF is kept from grabbing some of it for themselves. 

However the downside is the franchises who make the biggest effort and bring in the trust money would be effectively subsidizing the ones who don't put in the same effort. Wouldn't the temptation then be for the smaller franchises to just ride on the coat-tails of the more successful ones? The end result would be a diluted league with the strugglers doing better and the top franchises downsizing.

There's also the danger that forcing ACFC, the most successful money-raiser in the ASBP, to substantially spread its income would make it harder for the club to mount a serious O League campaign. It's a loss making enterprise putting out a good O League side and competing in the CWC. If that's hampered further then there's the danger of the whole ASBP missing out on the vital O League prizemoney. 

What's needed is a serious injection of funding as prizemoney in the ASBP. Then the franchises are rewarded by effort.


i think your being a bit naive if you think it's down to a lack of effort from other franchises.. that's a bit insulting really.
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