Wishes for the new ASBP season

That's where some 'outside the square' thinking could be required. The ASB Prem franchises could set up their own 'holding company' to apply for, and distribute, funding. NZF would still need to ratify it, but they don't control the trust funding now so I can't see why they'd be bothered about the franchises trying to put a better system in place.

There would be some other hurdles around how you account for where all the money's gone and provide appropriate documentation, but you could even get around that by having the holding company pay for some key expenses on behalf of franchises, instead of just doling out grants.

I dunno, whatever practical difficulties there are surely they can be got around if everybody (franchises, NZF, trusts, DIA) stays focused on the big picture and the desire to put a system in place that is good for everybody.

By the way, the last time I bothered adding it up the 8 franchises were generating around $2.5m - $3m in grants and sponsorship p.a., or approx. $350k each. But ACFC and Waitakere were responsible for around $1.1m of that, approx. $550k each. The other 8 franchises generated around $1.5m, or approx. $250k each. So under a centralised model 6 of the 8 franchises would get an increase of about $100k p.a. and 2 franchises would see their trust funding halved. Or you could split it 9 or 10 ways in order to create an additional fund to support the O-League competitors, which would be another benefit of having a centralised model.

Finally the post I expected to see, thanks Jerzy.

 

The sad thing is the posts that have followed on from this still bemoan that "Auckland City is getting more than the others".

Well if you are such the bloody brainiac, why did you not just say that in the first place? It's not like you were not given the chance to clarify your point. You just chose to call everyone else idiots and get defensive.

You really are a miserable person that's impossible to talk with.

Once again you choose to abuse someone and make up bullshit JV

Ive only posted twice #93 and #98. In neither of those did I "call everyone else idiots and get defensive"

 

About time you took your medication (and thats abuse JV in case you dont get it).

 

If you think I'm just moaning that "ACFC is getting more than the others" then you're really not reading my posts nightz. I'm trying to focus on what's good for the whole league, and yeah, some of the possible improvements would probably threaten ACFC's dominance. Does that mean they shouldn't be discussed?

It certainly doesnt mean that they shouldnt be discussed.

From what Im reading you would prefer that the total amount raised by franchises, would be better for the league, if it was more evenly spread throughout he competing teams.

The problem with that from my point of view is that franchises have a different view on how the money they recieve should be spent and have a different set of ambitions, and hence some have the need for more dollars than others.

I'd prefer to keep the status quo on their ability to fundraise for their own requirements.

The one thing that I dont like is that franchises are paying players to play with trust money. I would like that stamped out of the game and think with the invlovement from NZF with rules around this area it could be eradicated. I'm not saying this will be easy but Im sure it could be done. I would like to think the franchises would than have the ability to hire properly (badged) educated coaches to help develop youth players rather than buying in overseas players to boast their ranks. It would also create a pathway for more coaches which we need in our game.

 

Woah. That was actually an intelligent response, with an opinion, and it wasnt snarky. 

I think I'm in shock. 

(And yes I realise the irony that this post isn't very intelligent, nor does it contain an opinion about the topic, and it is snarky)

It also wasnt a response to some dribble written by an Idiot trying to slag someone off but rather to someone who was making a reasonable arguement about the topic, which is what we are here for.

Cut it  out you two. Fucking had enough of the bikering around here.

Interesting series in the Herald on funding sport through gaming cash.  Interesting, so far nothing particularly interesting and generally pretty predictable (sad stories about pokie addicts, implication that all gambling cash comes from addicts, pokies to sports clubs are a wealth transfer from poor to rich, clubs saying without pokie cash they couldn't survive - generally plenty of wailing and gnashing of teeth without).  Hoping later in the week might provide some more nuanced discussion and potential alternative models because this is a very important debate.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11114737

Bad language and bringing motorcycling  into disrepute....

MODS >>>Oh MODS !!!

cheers JD.  i find the whole pokie funding thing quite immoral, but i remind myself that as a code, we are entitled to grab as much as we can because the government stripped away the (equally immoral) tobacco sponsorship that we depended on so heavily in the past

A lot more words:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2374878/Papiss-Cisse-allegedly-gambles-casino-despite-Newcastle-Wonga-row.html

"You have to say it does undermine his stance on Wonga." Hilarious.

How about an interview , with whichever jobsworth is in charge of the ASBP this year ?

More hand ringing today. Not actually advancing the debate really

How bout this...?

Thanks ....Nice precis ...be good to get in early tho , then any fishhooks can be gently removed ......

I look forward to this listen. Who is the new gaffer at NZF. Someone Kemp?

Chris Kemp. Met him once, spoken to him a few times, seems like a good (and capable) fella.

So ... not long for this job then ....

wasn't sure where to post this because wanderers sc united city wanderers city wanderers don't have or deserve their own thread...

but, i just read this on the official asb prem site

"Wanderers SC, coached by former Waitakere United player, Darren Bazeley, are the other team to receive a bye on the opening weekend of action."

'other' team to have a 'bye'?!  it's an 8 team league!?

i assume this is to allow the wanderers extra time to prepare

could NZF possibly be a self-centred biased governing body?  surely not...

they booted youngheart out and replaced them with a team that they wanted in

they give them extra time to prepare

they are also funding them

and still they don't provide any information about where the asb sponsorship goes

hmmm

And teams with all whites in have to play on without them I believe on 

In fairness to NZF, a big chunk of that team just played in the U-17 World Cup. We were considered to have a good chance of making the Round of 16 which was just 1 day ago and given the final isn't til next Friday, having them start next week would be silly.

So based on that the league should not start until after 20 Nov. In fairness to NZF

what team will have 3 AWs to force a postponement?

How the hell do we know when NZF aren't prepared to publicly announce the squad? Even tho the players and clubs know already! We the supporters come last.

So lets guess. ACFC: Ivan, Tamati 4 certain. Milne? Burfoot? Feneridis? Turner? McGeorge? Surely not Pritch? Who the f knows with RH

Waitak - Coombes? Butler? Myers? .............. it's all a laugh.

TW - you name 'em

Canty - Clapham?, Kamo? ditto.........

Jesus wept.

Now you are taking the piss Jerzy. It's common knowledge which players are there or thereabouts so it's just a bollocks point. NZF will allow a postponement if a minimum 3 players are called up and there is no team that will so to those whinging, harden up and get on with it. If your team is that materially affected by losing 1 or 2 players, then your team is probably not much chop really.

Domestic league struggles with image problem

Hey Smithy, thought your comments in this piece were spot on, especially about having some kind of expenditure cap and looking at centralising pokie funding in some way.

Bump.

Actually this is probably the best place to carry on the discussion about funding, expenditure caps, pokies etc

Quoting you from the other thread.

You say pokie machine grants are the major factor in competitiveness between the teams.  That's patently wrong.  The difference is that Auckland is a city of 1.3mn people and Dunedin is a city of 60,000 people, and when you look at the best 30 players in Auckland and the best 15 players in Dunedin, surprise surprise Auckland comes up with a lot better football teams.  This is not new!  You could remove all funding from the league tomorrow and that would be true.  The amount teams are spending on payroll is a factor in getting some imports and maybe one or two players.  It does not determine the quality of the bulk of the players who play for Auckland or Otago - that quality is based on the local players in those leagues.

If the league was more equal in spend, how would you improve Otago?  You can't give them money.  You can take away money from Waitak and that may affect their squad to some extent but it doesn't change the fact that the player base is just completely different.  Players are not going to move to Dunedin for 14 matches and some lunch money even if you could suddenly give Otago an extra 50k to spend on players, which is impossible anyway.

Seriously, you need to have a think about this because you're spending a lot of time writing and there's a major non sequitur at the heart of your argument

Again - the part in bold is I think completely false.  You can just as easily say that the size and talent of the local player base is the the single biggest variable in the competitiveness of the different teams in the competition.

Auckland club football, Wellington club football and Chch club football are the best competitions and therefore it's no surprise that teams drawn from those leagues have dominated historically!

Hello there. The proposition here is worthy of further debate.

What interests me is not so much what Auckland City and Waitakere have in common (healthy pokie funding), but their differences.

 Auckland's facility development over the past decade has been tremendous - Fred Taylor Park is not much different to what it was in the early 90s.

Auckland have a fantastic website and programme, Waitakere not so much.

Auckland have a settled coaching regime, Waitakere not so much.

Auckland have a fan base, Waitakere not so much.

Whatever their source, Auckland have invested well.

And yet, for all that, Waitakere have a great record of performance... perhaps pointing to further significant variables. 

One of these is the quality of administrative personnel to prime the pump and set the agenda on the other fronts.

In the case of WaiBOP (my home club) I would expect to see an improvement in many spheres simply because the operation is now handled by the federation, which has full-time employees who can do a lot of stuff. It no longer requires peope such as myself to do that same stuff on a volunteer basis. (The cost of this will inevitably be spread across the whole family of football in the federation if they can't pull sufficient pokie grants.)

JD, I see what you are doing. But perhaps we should agree REGIONAL leagues are the best competitions. eg, the top Waikato & BOP clubs compete in the same leagues as Auckland clubs, and draw their players from that competition... while the top two teams regularly recruit outside of their regional league.... eg the lad Lowdon is a real find for Waitakere this summer, Spaniards etc at Kiwitea. 

So recruitment made possible by impressive funding may be the key variable?

As a side issue, interesting that the entry fee has risen to $15 a head at Auckland and Waitakere this summer. What do we make of this?

Anyway, please continue your debate.