WOF - Allan Jones

WOF - Allan Jones

If you watched WOF tonight, Allan Jones was talking about how to develop NZ football.

Have to say I agree with 90% of the things he said. Fred's face went totally blank when Allan talked, as he just completely shut him down.

Even Mark Elrick is speaking sense

Neither did I til I saw him with me own eyes and heard him with me own tabs.

It seemed Allan Jones was looking for NZF to do something - set a goal and say 'were gonna do this and this' to get there, whereas Fred, representing NZF wanted to 'Milk oceania while we can'


Bit worrying that Fred's at NZF and Allan's not!

Jones is always going to dominate a discussion with De Jong, because Jones is more of an extrovert, has better verbal skills, is a more forceful personality, is less of a listner and because he coached De Jong in his early days

but that doesn't mean that we can afford to do without the money that comes from dominating in Oceania - perhaps if we get some funding we might survive in Asia but Aussie are putting millions into the game and i can't see us matching that

At the end of the day the COACHING is very very very poor here.

I have to say i enjoyed last nights programme very much and yes AJ did talk a lot of sense but i expected him too he's a class coach with the right values and frame of mind.

And i too agreed with Danny we need to stop basing our game on the English way of playing because it obviously isn't working and it's not good to watch either.

Although, I agree with him. I find it quite ironic that Danny Hay is calling for an end to the "English" style of play. While I freely admit I haven't seen a lot of him, I've always viewed him as an old fashioned 'English' type centre half i.e  Big lump, good in the air but not the quickest, greatest on the deck or cleverest footballer on the planet. If he got people trying to play round him, rather than hoofing high balls at him, he'd struggle IMO. Jag2008-02-05 09:34:39

Yeah that was ironic but hey Danny is about ready to give it up i reckon and at least he is looking to try and improve NZ football after he retires.

Spot on, and good on him. Completely agree with the sentiments he expressed, just thought it was funny that they came from him!

Eminem had the height of his career asked Moby to move on nobody listens to techno.

Jag2008-02-05 10:41:19

But we're not suceeding financially in Oceania? As AJ said we're getting spanked in all WC's - surely thats not good for experience?

I thought the programme was one of the best I've seen on the local game.

Agree, but they wont, it'll be back to the 3 muskateers

I didn't watch it, 'cos I think WOF is sh*t but this sounds as if it might have been worth watching. Does anybody know if it gets replayed at any time?

my TV was on the other channel - but when I saw Den, Elrick and Hay on a serious football panel discussion I was happy to change back..

tomorrow  sky sport 2  at 5,7 and 11 am

keep an ear open for Den K's inability to distinguish between a lob and a chip in his voice over of one of the NZFC highlights (unless of course you don't want to join me on the staff of Nitpickers United )

Just watched the replay and I thought AJ made an awful lot of sense. Big Fred looked like a little kid sitting outside the Headmaster's ofice! 

Missed the lob/chip comment from Dennis tho'.

I get the impression that AJ shares that view (but to be fair he's no mug, and none of the other's were ever really going to take him on)

in the history of commentators blunders it was pretty small beer, but enough to rouse the inner pedant

Saw the replay this morning and could not help but agree with a lot of what Alan said.

Technically speaking, we are just not there and honestly the more we kid ourselves of how good we are when we play oceania qualifiers at all age levels and go off to FIFA world cups, the worse its going to get unless we start again from the bottom up - we are and will continue to be the laughing stock if we dont get it right from the start. I think Alan made a valid point about standing back and review where we need to be (at the risk of pulling out of world cups), and put some plans in place to develop these kids - surely its better than getting dicked 5 nil, 8 nil etc on the world stage??

There are no easy fixes and its not supposed to be, cos if it was, then we would have done it by now....but we havent! So lets put the torch on ourselves and make the hard decisions, the ones that may bear fruit in 5-10 years.

I also agree with some of Mark E comments that our youngsters dont have anywhere to go after 12, 13. But I think the biggest problem is the continued development of these kids as they progress.

From what I know (one mans opinion), the level of development is too disjointed (from rep, fed, nzfc youth and national age group and this extends from college football to senior club). Each group that the kid is involved at, has there own agenda whereas they dont necessarily have the players development at heart e.g. when players get selected for national academies or teams, they train and manage these kids in a certain way (rightly or wrongly) but when they return, this does not continue on with clubs (or college) as there agenda may be to win competitions and that may mean little Johnny has to sit it out on the bench, whereas the national coaches may want lil Johhny to play as much game time to practice and develop those skills he has been taught (but maybe that too is also debatable as to who is responsible for Johnnys development).

I also think that the kids with potential should be training at least 4-5 times a week. In my sons early teenage years, I felt he was a very good football player as he was training at least 5 times a week (2/3 nights with football, 2 night with Bball and then a game for each code). But since he has focused totally on football, I feel he is not as good a football player now (but that could be he just aint good enough LOL) - the point is, the more the kids are training and playing the better skills they will develop.   

Where to from here? Well maybe for a start we need to have more people like Alan Jones involved from an administrative level to shake the tree and not be comfortable with where are at...but sitting back and not addressing the issues at the early stages will mean we better get used to 5, 6, 7, nil games.....

Well how do you get someone like Allan in to a position to effect change.

The reality is we are goverend by a board made up of people like Fred or with less football knowledge.

The Office is similarly staffed with no knowledge of the game.

Then you get down to the coaching stcoks and the coach education programmes. How many of them would you hire to coach the first Xi at your local school let alone the senior first team at your club?

So I'm up for the revolution - let's get Allan Jones and like minded and capable people in the hot seat.

At the moment we have people who like the glamour and lime light that our sport can provide but really contribute very little in return. They are that thick skinned that having taken the game to the brink in four years that they think they can also get us out of it. Why take us there in the first place.

Be rid of the Board / Executive and Federation set up. Start with a clean slate and put Jones in charge.

Next!

Fred is short of football knowledge ?

Ah, okay...

Freds knowledgable, but I think since he is part of the current administration that he has to tow the party line as he should...but he probably needs to acknowledge that the current systems are not working and perhaps they need to review "longterm" strategies and where they need to take the game in the future.

To suggest we take advantage of the opportunities that Australia has presented to us as "assumed qualifiers" to every age group world cup is just too shortsighted.

What happens if we continue to get dicked at every age group world cup, then FIFA will surely step in and say no longer do Oceania age groups teams get direct access and they have to follow the senior team i.e. qualify through Sth America or Asia.

Lets get people who are prepared to challenge where we are at with the game and make a few hard decisions...and Fred as much as I admire you as a football commentator, be prepared to listen to people like AJ and consider making some changes......for the betterment (if there is such a word LOL) of the game .....

Its not that, he has no initiative or 'get up and go'

For me Fred lacks knowledge because he will give you the trite lines of "we need to play better football and have better players" but being in a position to effect the changes to provide that he has contributed exactly zero along with his other masqueraders.

We all want to see better football (and I presume by that a passing / rentention game) and better players (with a range of technique and skill better thant the past generation).

But how do you actually achieve that. The building blocks of the game - competent coaches, quality competition and improved infrastructure.

But the crap that passes itself off as football administrators or board directors couldn't string a coherent sentence together on the game let alone a couple of passes.

Fred has been on the board for the whole time Seatter has been in office - he is as culpable for the mess.

Let the axe swing - clear out the lot.

Bring in Jones and whoever he cares to keep.

What position has Fred been in that could effect the changes you want?


How long has Allan Jones been coaching now?

Assistant director or whatever he is at NZF

You guys are all idiots.

Ah, so I'm an idiot. Why? Would it be because I thought that he spoke a lot of sense on WOF? I don't know that much about Alan Jones, so I don't have any baggage to interfere with my opinion of what he's saying. Jag2008-02-08 09:36:43

The good news about Allan Jones is that we wouldn't have to worry about midfield weakness in NZ football, as all you need to be able to do is watch the ball fly over your head to the strikers...

Jag2008-02-08 09:56:12

I missed it, just going on memories of Auckland City when he coached them... Ball with Ross Nicholson...bang it long to Jordan and Young (repeat ad nauseum)...

Ah yes, the old "if it worked for Wimbledon, it'll work for us" approach

06 we did. Last time it was called the Oceania Club Champs before it was re-branded the O-League.

Oops. Sorry, Buffy. Getting my Oceania Club Champs confused with my World Club Champs

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