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Posted January 23, 2019 22:22 · last edited March 18, 2021 07:50

Nelfoos wrote:
paulm wrote:

Yes, he does actually talk sh*t on his own players in press conferences regardless of how the team is performing, I forgot about that. I guess that's a trait he has all the time, not just when he is losing. 

I think you're scraping the bottom of the barrel to try and fashion his treatment of Shaw and Martial into a success story. To me they came good despite the treatment, not because of it. All I see is wasted time in their career development where Mourinho wasn't improving them, and publicly smashing them. They also had their own adversity to deal in this period with which would've given them more life experience and mental strength than anything Mourinho said. 

Now they are starting to look like what they looked like before Mourinho got hold of them, in my opinion. I don't think Mourinho bashing them publicly had anything to do with their upward trajectory. 

Shaw has talked about how Mou helped him and I think the approach genuinely did help Luke Shaw. I see Martial as the opposite though - he's only got significant minutes, performed well and become happy to sign a new contract since OGS came in.

Mou seems to have a one size fits all approach to dealing with players, at least from what we see publicly, and it won't work for all of them. LI think Shaw is the exception rather than the rule.

Yea agreed, and I imagine that the one size approach is meant to align the players with the style / traits he wants in his teams. Martial and Pogba do not fit and did not align, and maybe that's why they didn't perform. 

There is also the arguement that the world has changed and players need to be treated in a different way. But if you want tough players that are disciplined and will give 100% towards the cause then you are more likely to treat them with some tough love. Because while its all nice with Martial, Pogba, Rashford, Herrera etc with Ole now, Lukaku, Mata and Sanchez are yet to even be selected much. 

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Nelfoos wrote:
paulm wrote:

Yes, he does actually talk sh*t on his own players in press conferences regardless of how the team is performing, I forgot about that. I guess that's a trait he has all the time, not just when he is losing. 

I think you're scraping the bottom of the barrel to try and fashion his treatment of Shaw and Martial into a success story. To me they came good despite the treatment, not because of it. All I see is wasted time in their career development where Mourinho wasn't improving them, and publicly smashing them. They also had their own adversity to deal in this period with which would've given them more life experience and mental strength than anything Mourinho said. 

Now they are starting to look like what they looked like before Mourinho got hold of them, in my opinion. I don't think Mourinho bashing them publicly had anything to do with their upward trajectory. 

Shaw has talked about how Mou helped him and I think the approach genuinely did help Luke Shaw. I see Martial as the opposite though - he's only got significant minutes, performed well and become happy to sign a new contract since OGS came in.

Mou seems to have a one size fits all approach to dealing with players, at least from what we see publicly, and it won't work for all of them. LI think Shaw is the exception rather than the rule.

Yea agreed, and I imagine that the one size approach is meant to align the players with the style / traits he wants in his teams. Martial and Pogba do not fit and did not align, and maybe that's why they didn't perform. 

There is also the arguement that the world has changed and players need to be treated in a different way. But if you want tough players that are disciplined and will give 100% towards the cause then you are more likely to treat them with some tough love. Because while its all nice with Martial, Pogba, Rashford, Herrera etc with Ole now, Lukaku, Mata and Sanchez are yet to even be selected much.