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Posted December 22, 2020 21:41 · last edited March 18, 2021 07:51

Leggy wrote:
Nelfoos wrote:
Leggy wrote:
20 Legend wrote:
Leggy wrote:

I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is  not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK

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Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:

Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.

And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?

So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.

My logic does not fall apart when you start mentioning AWB and Maguire for a start. AWB has got worse every game this year and Maguire is actually a very poor defender -- not just because  I think so. As for James-- how many games has Ole played him this season. 1 or 2 perhaps. 

Ole has been there for 2 years and what has he done. Got us into Europa, or out of Champions League.  He has yet to prove himself to me. May have been a legend as a player, but as a manager has done nothing. If you think I am wrong about him doing nothing as a manager, please let me know.

We've let you know that plenty of times. We're demonstrably miles ahead of where we were when Jose left. The squad has improved out of sight, we're regularly beating big teams. It feels like you just want to wave a wand and have us back to where we were under SAF without consideration for how we actually get there. If you can't see the progress then I have to believe you're choosing to ignore it because its plain as day to me.

AWB hasn't "got worse in every game". He's a one dimensional RB with strengths and weaknesses who is a significant upgrade over every RB we've had since Neville and has been up and down so far. If you think Maguire is a bad defender then I'm genuinely speechless. He makes mistakes, he isn't world class but he is one of the best in the Prem and I'm not sure there's any better than him in the air or at stepping out of the backline with the ball.

This is what the fans thought of Maguire.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/foot...

and this from the MEN football reporters

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/foot...

Reverting to tabloid journalism to prove your point is a bit misguided. The mere fact that "fans poll" has Lindelof above Maguire speaks volumes about the veracity of it.

Maguire did have a garbage start to the year but he's been hands down our best defender this year. Is he Rio or Vidic? No. But he's putting in good shifts in the majority of games alongside a CB who struggles for consistency even more than he does. One thing I think that Maguire does brilliantly is step out of the back line with the ball with confidence.

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Leggy wrote:
Nelfoos wrote:
Leggy wrote:
20 Legend wrote:
Leggy wrote:

I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is  not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK

:

Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:

Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.

And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?

So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.

My logic does not fall apart when you start mentioning AWB and Maguire for a start. AWB has got worse every game this year and Maguire is actually a very poor defender -- not just because  I think so. As for James-- how many games has Ole played him this season. 1 or 2 perhaps. 

Ole has been there for 2 years and what has he done. Got us into Europa, or out of Champions League.  He has yet to prove himself to me. May have been a legend as a player, but as a manager has done nothing. If you think I am wrong about him doing nothing as a manager, please let me know.

We've let you know that plenty of times. We're demonstrably miles ahead of where we were when Jose left. The squad has improved out of sight, we're regularly beating big teams. It feels like you just want to wave a wand and have us back to where we were under SAF without consideration for how we actually get there. If you can't see the progress then I have to believe you're choosing to ignore it because its plain as day to me.

AWB hasn't "got worse in every game". He's a one dimensional RB with strengths and weaknesses who is a significant upgrade over every RB we've had since Neville and has been up and down so far. If you think Maguire is a bad defender then I'm genuinely speechless. He makes mistakes, he isn't world class but he is one of the best in the Prem and I'm not sure there's any better than him in the air or at stepping out of the backline with the ball.

This is what the fans thought of Maguire.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/foot...

and this from the MEN football reporters

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/foot...

Reverting to tabloid journalism to prove your point is a bit misguided. The mere fact that "fans poll" has Lindelof above Maguire speaks volumes about the veracity of it.

Maguire did have a garbage start to the year but he's been hands down our best defender this year. Is he Rio or Vidic? No. But he's putting in good shifts in the majority of games alongside a CB who struggles for consistency even more than he does. One thing I think that Maguire does brilliantly is step out of the back line with the ball with confidence.