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Posted December 22, 2020 07:40 · last edited March 18, 2021 07:51

20 Legend wrote:
Leggy wrote:

I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is  not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK

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Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:

Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.

And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?

So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.

My logic does not fall apart when you start mentioning AWB and Maguire for a start. AWB has got worse every game this year and Maguire is actually a very poor defender -- not just because  I think so. As for James-- how many games has Ole played him this season. 1 or 2 perhaps. 

Ole has been there for 2 years and what has he done. Got us into Europa, or out of Champions League.  He has yet to prove himself to me. May have been a legend as a player, but as a manager has done nothing. If you think I am wrong about him doing nothing as a manager, please let me know.

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20 Legend wrote:
Leggy wrote:

I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is  not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK

:

Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:

Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.

And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?

So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.

My logic does not fall apart when you start mentioning AWB and Maguire for a start. AWB has got worse every game this year and Maguire is actually a very poor defender -- not just because  I think so. As for James-- how many games has Ole played him this season. 1 or 2 perhaps. 

Ole has been there for 2 years and what has he done. Got us into Europa, or out of Champions League.  He has yet to prove himself to me. May have been a legend as a player, but as a manager has done nothing. If you think I am wrong about him doing nothing as a manager, please let me know.

Unknown editor edited December 22, 2020 09:07
20 Legend wrote:
Leggy wrote:

I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is  not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK

:

Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:

Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.

And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?

So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.

My logic does not fall apart when you start mentioning AWB and Maguire for a start. AWB has got worse every game this year and Maguire is actually a very poor defender -- not just because  I think so. As for James-- how many games has Ole played him this season. 1 or 2 perhaps. 

Ole has been there for 2 years and what has he done. Got us into Europa. He has yet to prove himself to me. May have been a legend as a player, but as a manager has done nothing. If you think I am wrong about him doing nothing as a manager, please let me know.

Unknown editor edited December 22, 2020 09:05
20 Legend wrote:
Leggy wrote:

I never said that. You are too defensive of a coach that really is  not up to this job. I've watched the game that you reckon Pogba had a strong game (twice) and he did some excellent thing but for 90 min he was only OK

:

Leggy, it's not about defending Ole, it's that your logic eventually falls apart:

Ole has a good record against big sides. His biggest failing has been against smaller sides who have essentially set up a wall of ten men in front of goal. These are the games where I would expect individual talent - often required to break down a compact team - to outshine managerial tactical ability.

And, even if it is down solely to player skill, the team and the culture around the team has been significantly improved by Ole. Not only with the Ole players on the field (AWB, Maguire, James, Bruno) he also ignored convential wisdom to bench Pogba and Matic in favour of McTominay and Fred who both had great games. And how refreshing was it to have Cavani, VdB and Telles come off the bench instead of Lingard and Fellaini?

So even if it was down solely to player talent, the reason it exists is because Ole is taking the club in the right direction.

My logic don't fall apart when you start mentioning AWB and Maguire for a start. AWB has got worse every game this year and Maguire is actually a very poor defender -- not just I think so. As for James-- how many games has Ole played him this season. 1 or 2 perhaps. 

Ole has been there for 2 years and what has he done. Got us into Europa. He has yet to prove himself to me. May have been a legend as a player, but as a manager has done nothing. If you think I am wrong about him doing nothing as a manager, please let me know.