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Posted August 27, 2014 00:51 · last edited August 27, 2014 00:52

Ryan54 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I was saying 4 months ago they were mad to gas Moyes because it was really the players that they had and not him. I guess this does kinda show that Moyes was not the real problem (as much as he was probably the wrong manager still) 

Van Gaal will be wondering what he has got himself into.

Just goes to show that with Ferguson, he timed it to perfection and left the trainwreck on someone elses record.

Nah. Moyes was shit.

Moyes inherited a team which had won the Premier League. He strengthened that team with Fellaini and Mata and lost no players and he still came 7th. With Ferguson we would have come in the top 4 minimum with that exact same squad. Moyes could have missed out on the Champions League and remained as manager if he had shown he had the capability to turn things around.

Van Gaal has actually lost some players Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra and so far Herrera is his only signing to see game time. 

The players have to take some responsibility though right? I'm sure they don't want to miss out on Champions League just to prove they are dissatisfied with Moyes, or to prove a point. He doesn't go on to the field and play like he doesn't care.

Not saying he isn't part of the issue, just that it seemed pretty obvious the players themselves had a massive issue and should cop as much, if not more blame.  

My mate said this in an email this morning which made me chuckle:

Just unbelievable what confidence (or a lack thereof) can do to a  team.

It’s the same as Tiger Woods to be honest – have you seen that guy lately?? He went from sporting God to this slightly overweight balding guy once he lost his confidence… United is currently a slightly overweight, balding guy.

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Hawk Wasp edited August 27, 2014 00:52
Ryan54 wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

I was saying 4 months ago they were mad to gas Moyes because it was really the players that they had and not him. I guess this does kinda show that Moyes was not the real problem (as much as he was probably the wrong manager still) 

Van Gaal will be wondering what he has got himself into.

Just goes to show that with Ferguson, he timed it to perfection and left the trainwreck on someone elses record.

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Nah. Moyes was shit.

Moyes inherited a team which had won the Premier League. He strengthened that team with Fellaini and Mata and lost no players and he still came 7th. With Ferguson we would have come in the top 4 minimum with that exact same squad. Moyes could have missed out on the Champions League and remained as manager if he had shown he had the capability to turn things around.

Van Gaal has actually lost some players Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra and so far Herrera is his only signing to see game time. 

The players have to take some responsibility though right? I'm sure they don't want to miss out on Champions League just to prove they are dissatisfied with Moyes, or to prove a point. He doesn't go on to the field and play like he doesn't care.

Not saying he isn't part of the issue, just that it seemed pretty obvious the players themselves had a massive issue and should cop as much, if not more blame.  

My mate said this in an email this morning which made me chuckle:

[quote]

Just unbelievable what confidence (or a lack thereof) can do to a  team.

It’s the same as Tiger Woods to be honest – have you seen that guy lately?? He went from sporting God to this slightly overweight balding guy once he lost his confidence… United is currently a slightly overweight, balding guy.

Hawk Wasp edited August 27, 2014 00:52
Ryan54 wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

I was saying 4 months ago they were mad to gas Moyes because it was really the players that they had and not him. I guess this does kinda show that Moyes was not the real problem (as much as he was probably the wrong manager still) 

Van Gaal will be wondering what he has got himself into.

Just goes to show that with Ferguson, he timed it to perfection and left the trainwreck on someone elses record.

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Nah. Moyes was shit.

Moyes inherited a team which had won the Premier League. He strengthened that team with Fellaini and Mata and lost no players and he still came 7th. With Ferguson we would have come in the top 4 minimum with that exact same squad. Moyes could have missed out on the Champions League and remained as manager if he had shown he had the capability to turn things around.

Van Gaal has actually lost some players Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra and so far Herrera is his only signing to see game time. 

The players have to take some responsibility though right? I'm sure they don't want to miss out on Champions League just to prove they are dissatisfied with Moyes, or to prove a point. He doesn't go on to the field and play like he doesn't care.

Not saying he isn't part of the issue, just that it seemed pretty obvious the players themselves had a massive issue and should cop as much, if not more blame.  

My mate said this in an email this morning which made me chuckle:

[quote]

Just unbelievable what confidence (or a lack thereof) can do to a  team.

It’s the same as Tiger Woods to be honest – have you seen that guy lately?? He went from sporting God to this slightly overweight balding guy once he lost his confidence… United is currently a slightly overweight, balding guy.