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Posted August 16, 2016 02:25 · last edited August 16, 2016 02:26

Leggy wrote:

Tekkers wrote:

paulm wrote:

Spot on for me CT.

For the last 2 seasons at least I thought both ManU and England would have been better off without him on the pitch. 

I think any judgement of United players based on the past two and a half seasons is largely influenced by the people in charge. No one bar De Gea and Smalling has looked decent as their roles have been so restricted and unusual that they have not been able to express their own abilities ahead of the role they have been asked to perform. 

If you took Rooney out of the equation for both United and England, you would have just had another player doing the same thing with less experience and determination than Rooney and you would still get the same result.

He may not be the same player as he was when he was 25-28 yo but you still have the same guy who is going to put the hard work in and sacrifice his own personal accolades for the team. (the transfer saga of him leaving was in pure conflict with SAF - not the team)

Agree. Too many people expect Rooney to be exactly the same player he was 5 years ago. 

One thing for sure, he has the football nouse, the vision and the determination. Also the fact that he has achieved more than most players in England and will therefore always be a target for the tall poppy syndrome from Utd supporters and particularly from those  that hate MU.

I'm not talking about what he has achieved I'm talking about what he contributes now. I'd argue that the fact he has achieved a lot has allowed him to not be subject to the same scrutiny as other players in recent years because anyone who criticises his recent contributions gets shouted down by the exact "tall poppy syndrome" arguments you are using. It is possible for a player to not be as good as he was. In Rooney's case it has happened at a younger age than most but he's been playing top flight football for a long time, and his acceleration was often key to his impact and that's gone.Plus as I said, positionally he is hard to fit in most modern tactical set ups.

But hey, I actually don't like either Utd or England so I'm clearly hating on the guy because of that.

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ConanTroutman edited August 16, 2016 02:26
Leggy wrote:
Tekkers wrote:
paulm wrote:

Spot on for me CT.

For the last 2 seasons at least I thought both ManU and England would have been better off without him on the pitch. 

I think any judgement of United players based on the past two and a half seasons is largely influenced by the people in charge. No one bar De Gea and Smalling has looked decent as their roles have been so restricted and unusual that they have not been able to express their own abilities ahead of the role they have been asked to perform. 

If you took Rooney out of the equation for both United and England, you would have just had another player doing the same thing with less experience and determination than Rooney and you would still get the same result.

He may not be the same player as he was when he was 25-28 yo but you still have the same guy who is going to put the hard work in and sacrifice his own personal accolades for the team. (the transfer saga of him leaving was in pure conflict with SAF - not the team)

Agree. Too many people expect Rooney to be exactly the same player he was 5 years ago. 

One thing for sure, he has the football nouse, the vision and the determination. Also the fact that he has achieved more than most players in England and will therefore always be a target for the tall poppy syndrome from Utd supporters and particularly from those  that hate MU.

I'm not talking about what he has achieved I'm talking about what he contributes now. I'd argue that the fact he has achieved a lot has allowed him to not be subject to the same scrutiny as other players in recent years because anyone who criticises his recent contributions gets shouted down by the exact "tall poppy syndrome" arguments you are using. It is possible for a player to not be as good as he was. In Rooney's case it has happened at a younger age than most but he's been playing top flight football for a long time, and his acceleration was often key to his impact and that's gone.P Lu's as. I said, positionally he is hard to fit in most modern tactical set ups.

But hey, I actually don't like either Utd or England so I'm clearly hating on the guy because of that.

ConanTroutman edited August 16, 2016 02:25
Leggy wrote:
Tekkers wrote:
paulm wrote:

Spot on for me CT.

For the last 2 seasons at least I thought both ManU and England would have been better off without him on the pitch. 

I think any judgement of United players based on the past two and a half seasons is largely influenced by the people in charge. No one bar De Gea and Smalling has looked decent as their roles have been so restricted and unusual that they have not been able to express their own abilities ahead of the role they have been asked to perform. 

If you took Rooney out of the equation for both United and England, you would have just had another player doing the same thing with less experience and determination than Rooney and you would still get the same result.

He may not be the same player as he was when he was 25-28 yo but you still have the same guy who is going to put the hard work in and sacrifice his own personal accolades for the team. (the transfer saga of him leaving was in pure conflict with SAF - not the team)

Agree. Too many people expect Rooney to be exactly the same player he was 5 years ago. 

One thing for sure, he has the football nouse, the vision and the determination. Also the fact that he has achieved more than most players in England and will therefore always be a target for the tall poppy syndrome from Utd supporters and particularly from those  that hate MU.

I'm not talking about what he has achieved I'm talking about what he contributes now. I'd argue that the fact he has achieved a lot has allowed him to not be subject to the same scrutiny as other players in recent years because anyone who criticises his recent contributions gets shouted down by the exact "tall poppy syndrome" arguments you are using. It is possible for a player to not be as good as he was. In Rooney's case it has happened at a younger age than most but he's been playing top flight football for a long time, and his acceleration was often key to his impact and that's gone.

But hey, I actually don't like either Utd or England so I'm clearly hating on the guy because of that.