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Pretty logical stuff from F365, bolded the main points that struck home for me;


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Five wins from the first 15 games is worrying; a five-point gap to fourth is not insurmountable. It's time for a reality check at Arsenal.

As I wrote after the north London derby, the thrashing of Spurs only papered over the cracks in the team's performances and that win remains the Gunners' sole victory in their last six Premier League matches. But talk of an era ending following Saturday's 2-0 home defeat to Swansea is both pre- and post-mature; the club are still in three cup competitions this season, while a title tilt has been impossible for a number of years.

Arsene Wenger has made a rod for his own back after claiming Arsenal could win the Premier League in September, but it would have been foolish for anyone to have believed the manager. This is an incredibly tough division - the European Champions only finished sixth last year - and after losing Robin van Persie in the summer, the Gunners were bound to struggle in their fight for fourth.

Chelsea are also finding life difficult at the moment, with one win in their last seven top-flight matches. But the difference between the Blues and Arsenal is that Roman Abramovich will probably spend £46million on Falcao in January to serve as a (relatively) short-term fix. This financial doping maintains a glass ceiling at the top of the table that Arsenal currently have no hope of smashing through.

For a club that has won the Premier League three times in the last 15 years, it's difficult to accept second best but, as much as Arsenal appear to be in a period of decline, their seven-year slump is mainly influenced by the rising power of money. Wenger spoke of the team's psychological issues after Saturday's defeat and these extend to the club as a whole, with Arsenal forced to acknowledge they are now only leaders of the chasing pack.

With the Premier League out of reach for the foreseeable future, Arsenal realistically have only three trophies they can challenge for each season. Of those, the Champions League has been dominated by one of the best teams in history over the last six years (since they narrowly beat the Gunners in the 2006 final), the FA Cup has been won by only six clubs in the last 17 years (four of which have won the Premier League in that time), and the League Cup is seen as a fifth-rate competition (below Champions League qualification), with Liverpool's achievement last season dismissed by their rivals.

Football is largely uncompetitive and after several years at the top it seems Gooners are only just starting to realise there is no god-given right for Arsenal to win any of these competitions. Complaining fans should at least be grateful that their club is in a far healthier position compared to the vast majority of others in the pyramid.

There are, of course, many things Arsenal fans should feel ungrateful about, with ticket prices at the top of that list. It seems inherently wrong for the club to charge the highest prices in a league they can't win, but at the same time they operate on a supply and demand basis - if the stadium wasn't full every week, the board would have to reassess their pricing structure.

One final point is that while it's painful to see the best players leave every year, this is something that almost every club, especially below Arsenal, has to deal with. Even Manchester United were powerless to prevent Cristiano Ronaldo's move to Real Madrid, while as a Blackburn fan I've watched the winners of the club's Player of the Year award depart in a steady stream, often to fail at other teams - such as Roque Santa Cruz and David Bentley - which only makes it worse.

The clubs Arsenal players have left for highlight the Gunners' position under the glass ceiling, with Van Persie departing to have a genuine crack at the Premier League, Samir Nasri, Emmanuel Adebayor and Gael Clichy leaving for Manchester City's money (or success that is based entirely on money) and Thierry Henry and Cesc Fabregas heading to one of the biggest clubs in the world at a time when they had/have the best team. 

It seems absurd to chastise Wenger for allowing top players (who he developed) to depart, when Henry is lauded every time he returns to the Emirates. It's worth remembering that Wenger has also had offers to leave, having been courted by Real Madrid for many years, but has chosen to stick with the club. 

Times are hard, yes, but Arsenal also have a lot to be proud and positive about. So quit whining. 

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brumbys wrote:

If by at it you mean being rubbish, meh.


No... I mean being a muppet... to quote from the linked interview: 
"Van Persie is a great friend. We talk weekly, is an extraordinary guy. Whenever he sees a sad expression on my BBM (instant messenger), come support me, speak positive words. Already exchanged several shirts." 
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What's the difference between Arsene Wenger and Liam Ridgewell? One's in trouble for using money on the arse, the other isn't.
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SurgeQld wrote:
brumbys wrote:

If by at it you mean being rubbish, meh.


No... I mean being a muppet... to quote from the linked interview: 
"Van Persie is a great friend. We talk weekly, is an extraordinary guy. Whenever he sees a sad expression on my BBM (instant messenger), come support me, speak positive words. Already exchanged several shirts." 

What on earth does van Persie do with these Santos shirts?!?!  
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Not great form lately. Since the start of November: P9 W2 D4 L3.


Looking at our upcoming fixtures we really should be looking to turn a corner now.

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All the reports suggest Rosicky is coming back to form. Hopefully he can be a good interchange with Cazorla to be the spark we need. Apparently looks more promising than Rambo's form.

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Buffon II wrote:

Not great form lately. Since the start of November: P9 W2 D4 L3.


Looking at our upcoming fixtures we really should be looking to turn a corner now.


Exactly what I was thinking before the Villa and Swansea games...

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While the next 6-weeks are going to be vital on the pitch (obviously) I think they will probably be even more vital off it. The club keep saying they have money to spend but if they went through January and didn't spend any of it (and didn't see a marked improvement on the field) then you seriously have to ask what is going on. Even more so than you do now)

We need a signal of intent from the club. The signings over the summer were a good start but they need more.

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Henry rejoining till the end of the season.

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Buffon II wrote:

Henry rejoining till the end of the season.


Source? End of the season is legit, is New York happy to let him go?
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brumbys wrote:
Buffon II wrote:

Henry rejoining till the end of the season.


Source? End of the season is legit, is New York happy to let him go?

Apparently it's in the Daily Mirror somewhere. Someone mentioned it on a forum.
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Ah gotcha, F365 carried it today. Love that gif Buffy!

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We should do a deal with them to get Cahill too.... ahhhhhhh... if only.

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TV5 equaliser


quadruple back on LOL


Frankie Mac, if you're still floating around the arse thread, my sincerest of apologies regarding Gervinho.

Evidence:

https://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/gif-gervinhos-ridiculous-miss-v-bradford/

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 throw it away

one of the worst results in history

congragulations Bradford.

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What Buffy said. Should never have got to extra time.

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Embarrassing, our once mighty Club is spiralling downwards very quickly.  Here's hoping the BSM and other groups get their acts together with a few protests to liven things up

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Wenger: "I can't fault the effort of our team I believe we gave absolutely everything ... it's not a lack of quality"


What a fudgeing load of shark.

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Even more embarrassing when you consider a League two Side is actually 4th Division in England nowadays!!!

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I don't think I've seen him finish a tap in yet. He's that awful
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ARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH! That was sh!t no other word for it...

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wow that was bad, really bad


we have the quality on the pitch to be playing so much better than we are, i just dont understand how we look so poor


individually we have plenty of world class players, but we just aren't getting it done. With any english club except us, manU or everton, i would expect the manager to be under a lot of pressure after our recent form. 


I'm bitterly disappointed we're so far off the pace for the title, i really thought we'd give it a crack this season.


Although it is rather hilarious we're only 2 points off the top 4 despite our form, and 5 points off 3rd (which should be our realistic aim now). WBA, Spurs and Everton don't have the quality and depth to stick it out. Should be us and Chelsea for 3rd/4th. I've got complete faith in wenger to turn this round just like last season, but I expected so much more than that for this group. 

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paulm wrote:

Although it is rather hilarious we're only 2 points off the top 4 despite our form, and 5 points off 3rd (which should be our realistic aim now). WBA, Spurs and Everton don't have the quality and depth to stick it out. Should be us and Chelsea for 3rd/4th. I've got complete faith in wenger to turn this round just like last season, but I expected so much more than that for this group. 


Based on what exactly? History? Cause it sure isn't the current season or form... we don't have a divine right to finish Top Four, we still have to earn it - what I've seen over the last month tells me we are far from doing that.
Don't get me wrong, I hope beyond hope we do... but there MUST be changes (and no, that doesn't mean we sack AW - just that if we keep going how we are we can't expect change).
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I don't really have much faith in us getting top 4 at this stage. Remember we were fortunate to get 3rd last year, thanks largely to Marton Fulop gifting us the win on the last day of the season.


I think it'll be a massive scrap for us to get 4th this season. The players have the ability but the football we're playing at the moment is horrendously one dimensional.


Also we miss RVP, no two ways about it.

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Are we Liverpool in disguise?


Yeah, it sums up a lot more than just this morning's game.

We took 4000 to Bradford on a cold cod of a night. Must have been a horrendous drive back.


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paulm wrote:

TV5 equaliser


quadruple back on LOL


Frankie Mac, if you're still floating around the arse thread, my sincerest of apologies regarding Gervinho.

Evidence:

https://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/gif-gervinhos-ridiculous-miss-v-bradford/

I didn't come here to gloat, but .......

It wasn't just the miss by Gervinho, he manages to ruin a huge percentage of Arsenal attacks when he gets the ball.  The amount of times he has the ball out wide with midfielders streaming into the box and he takes 5-10 touches is staggering.  By the time he does get the ball in, there are 7 defenders back, and all the Arsenal players are completely stationary.  He is a massive blindspot for Wenger, who last night played him through the middle, on the left and out right, all without success. 

If any brightspot was to be taken from last night it was the Rosiscky and Carzola played approximately 67 1-2's with each in their 50 minutes on the field together - none of them actually created anything but it will make the inevitable defeat to Barcelona easier to swallow by being able to say "we tried to play them at their own game".

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That miss was accompanied by the sound of a straw snapping my camel's back. 


His last few turn-outs in particular have been woeful. One of those guys who has a terrible game, does one thing good and scores/provides an assist, so makes me think he's got something and just needs time to find consistency. But he's 25. It's his second season for us. He doesn't have time. He's going to the ACN in Jan as well. His only real skill is his bizarrely accurate ability to pick someone out once he hits the byline. I can't understand why he can be so consistently good at that but so bad at shooting/passing/decision-making in general. 


If we sign Huntelaar and/or Henry for the rest of the season (both heavily rumoured of late), I'm not sure Gervinho will get back into this team. 


And why we're starting him but intent on selling arshavin is beyond me. Hell arsh even did a better job up front when rvp/bendtner were injured the other year. Bendtner, there's another player on our books we could actually use right now. 

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Still too angry/disappointed to post.


Sadly, this has impacted other areas of my life/attitude lately. Not cool.

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SurgeQld wrote:

Still too angry/disappointed to post.


Sadly, this has impacted other areas of my life/attitude lately. Not cool.

Chin up. If you have been a good boy, I'm sure Santa Carzola will put a striker in your stocking on Xmas morning.
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SurgeQld wrote:

Still too angry/disappointed to post.


I counted 4 posts from you in the last 3 days ;)
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paulm wrote:
SurgeQld wrote:

Still too angry/disappointed to post.


I counted 4 posts from you in the last 3 days ;)

And they've all been my usual glass half full, annoyingly positive self too Pauly... haha ;-)
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Casual Friday at work and I normally wear one of my numerous Arsenal shirts from my collection. Today for the first time, I am too embarassed to :(

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SurgeQld wrote:
paulm wrote:
SurgeQld wrote:

Still too angry/disappointed to post.


I counted 4 posts from you in the last 3 days ;)

And they've all been my usual glass half full, annoyingly positive self too Pauly... haha ;-)

hehe just havin a kid

i too am in angry land, unusual for me, I'm normally positive no matter the situation
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