Dutch thread

Dutch thread

What better way to open a the thread than with praises for the boys demolition of Italy.

KOM OP DE MACHTIGE ORANJE!!!



I'll be here everyday

Can't believe how well we played. The dutch style always seems to do pretty decent against Italian teams but that was still really bloody good. Sneijder ran the show well. Gio was still awesome up the wing - even at 33.

There seems to be a togetherness that is usually lacking in our teams. Of course - you don't really know how together the team is until they are down, but still.

Apparently Panucci, who was off the pitch having clashed with his own keeper, was deemed to be playing van Nistelrooij onside. To the letter of the law that is right?. Might've been a good call after all!

Anyway, the second goal was one of the best I have ever seen. The finish was Sneijder by amazing - good karate kick. Bruce Lee would be proud.

I have to admit that before this game I was skeptical of our chances. I'm not going to get too hyped up yet but that performance shows that we can beat any team in the tournament.

I was proud that Nistelrooij didn't dive when he could've too. (the Italians would have, though)

Great crowd btw. A sea of oranje!
valeo2008-06-10 09:50:17

That first goal was CLEARLY a forward pass!

...I mean, uh, offside

Well done Nederlands, you deserved to win that game, the better team on the day was clearly the one wearing orange. Now hopefully my Azzuri can pull finger against Romania and France.

/see smarah, I'm not a sore loser!...at least not by Australian standards

I had a feeling France would slip up without Viera and Henry. I bet on Romania winning and not drawing unfortunately tho

Just a quick note to say that I will be opening the doors of the B.B for people to come watch the Oranje Vs Frogs on Sat morning. We wont be "trading", I  just thought that if im going to watch the game at home, i mights as well just come into work and watch it on the big screen. (the perks of having a set of keys)

We're gonna sh*t this tourney in.

might make a batch of ollibollen for the next game!

You're dutch too?

I guess most of NZ has some kinda dutch heritage, though..

Should put on a Netherlands shirt and walk down Lygon St!
valeo2008-06-10 12:06:20

With a first name like Nils, you'd have thought KP was Italian today. 

I thought the ruling was that once a player has left the field of play, as Panucci had, he was no longer part of the game therefore Van Nistelrooy was offside. I remember a game (can't remember who between now, where a goal wasn't awarded due to offside when a defender had run over the byline.

We still would have won though, regardless...

Colvinator2008-06-10 12:53:12

brilliant game, maybe I won't support Germany after all... (ooh decisions). Great crowd at Backbencher this morning too whih made the game much more enjoyable. Yayyyy holland.

Hope you took photos of robb in your clogs

What ?

Too busy with exams to do Quiz night but rolling out of the pub first thing in the morning !!

haha it was a SERIOUS battle news, Robb wrote a big spiel on my facebook about it, I couldn't not go. Plus it just meant that I got up earlier and therefore had more time to study, well that was the theory anyway :D smarah2008-06-10 14:51:18

their counter attack was deadly....and all this WITHOUT Robben! brilliant

Is there ANYONE on this forum who isn't Dutch? What about HN?

No, kiwi 'til i die (with a bit of Welsh of all peoples - No Whale jokes).

Well I never would have picked users named "Buffon II" and "Didier Drogba" to be dutch

I liked the Dutch team of Euro 2000 (as I've said many a time) but since then I haven't liked them at all, mainly because of van Nistelrooy at Manchester United, and the dropping of Kluivert.

However, this morning's game was absolutely cracking.  The dutch deserved their win.  And I now think more highly of van Nistelrooy when he didn't dive, top marks mate! (Definitely not offside either, I couldn't believe the commentator thought he was).

Overall an entertaining game that I'd like to see more of - far better than the Czech-Swiss match.

Btw, according to my sister, FIFA are donating 7 000 of who knows what currency to the International Red Cross for every goal scored.  Can anyone confirm this?  If so let's hope there are more games like this mornings, not only are they great to watch, but they support a good cause.

And I don't have a drop of Dutch blood in me.

Don't forget Bergkamp and Overmars in that 2000 squad gunner!

Probably my favourite squad too.That was the first major tournament I really remember taking a close interest in. ( I was about 9 or 10)
valeo2008-06-10 17:19:04

I was the only Italian in a pub full of Oranj for the 2000 semi final - not sure how I escaped alive after yahooing at the 4th dutch penalty miss of the day

It was my first tournament as well as I was only 8 during France '98.  There were so many quality players in that team.  Frank de Boer's another.

I can't believe Jaap Stam missed that penalty so badly though against Italy.  "That ball's in Rotterdam by now!" - Commentator's reaction.

What a start for the Oranje! As earlier posts have said the counter attack of the dutch was too much for the Italians to handle. I was also very impressed with the Dutch backline. While the Italians found their way through a bit in the 2nd half, the defence performed well and kept them out for the most part.

In terms of the 1st goal, i too was one who was watching and saw the Italian player over the goalline and wasn't sure on the official rules. Thought it must have been the case that a player outside the field of play still counted as otherwise defenders (or goalies) could on purpose step outside the field of play to make an attacker offside.

Anyway the dutch are in a great position especially considering France and Romania drew. Go the dutch versus France!
Oranje2008-06-10 20:29:30

Only for this tournament

ORANJE

LOL, you're all young! Am I the only clog wog here who remembers '88?

I have a collectors edition Netherlands WC 2002 shirt.

They all come out of the woodwork after a win.

I got a phone call from the dutch embassy today so im expecting a large Oranje crowd on saturday morning. The boss may pay me to sell danishes and coffee after all. but only before the game and during halftime. the rest of the time im a football fan first/employee second and actualy hope to watch the game.

Poffertjes >>> Danishes

Re the offside/onside debate:

UEFA has emphasised that the goal scored by Netherlands
striker Ruud van Nistelrooy in last night's UEFA EURO
2008(tm)
match against Italy in Berne was valid, and that referee
Peter Fr�jdfeldt acted correctly in awarding the goal.

Not offside
UEFA General Secretary David Taylor was reacting to claims
from some quarters that Van Nistelrooy was standing in an
offside position when he scored the first of the
Netherlands' goals in their 3-0 win. "I would like to take
the opportunity to explain and emphasise that the goal was
correctly awarded by the referee team," he said. "I think
there's a lack of understanding among the general football
public, and I think it's understandable because this was an
unusual situation. The player was not offside, because, in
addition to the Italian goalkeeper, there was another
Italian player in front of the goalscorer. Even though that
other Italian player at the time had actually fallen off the
pitch, his position was still relevant for the purposes of
the offside law."

Still involved
The starting point, said Mr Taylor, is the Laws of the Game
- Law 11 - which deals with offside, and whereby a
player is
in an offside position if he is nearer to his opponents'
goalline than both the ball and the second last opponent.
"There need to be two defenders involved," the UEFA General
Secretary said. "If you think back to the situation, the
first is the goalkeeper, and the second is the defender who,
because of his momentum, actually had left the field of
play. But this defender was still deemed to be part of the
game. Therefore he is taken into consideration as one of the
last two opponents. As a result, Ruud Van Nistelrooy was not
nearer to the opponents' goal than the second last defender
and, therefore, could not be in an offside position.

Rare incident
"This is a widely-known interpretation of the offside law
amongst referees that is not generally known by the wider
football public," he continued. "Incidents like this are
very unusual - although I'm informed that there was an
incident like this about a month ago in a Swiss Super League
match between FC Sion and FC Basel 1893. [It was] initially
suggested that this [goal] was a mistake by the referee in
terms of the offside law - the commentator later
apologised
publicly, as he didn't realise that this was the correct
application of the law. "

Law applied
Mr Taylor concluded: "So let's be clear - the referees'
team
applied the law in the correct manner. If we did not have
this interpretation of the player being off the pitch, then
what could happen is that the defending team could use the
tactic of stepping off the pitch deliberately to play
players offside, and that clearly is unacceptable. The most
simple and practical interpretation of the law in this
instance is the one that is adopted by referees throughout
the world - that is that unless you have permission from
the
referee to be off the pitch, you are deemed to be on it and
deemed to be part of the game. That is why the Italian
defender, even though his momentum had taken him off the
pitch, was still deemed to be part of the game, and
therefore the attacking player put the ball into the net,
and it was a valid goal. The law in this place was applied
absolutely correctly."

A bit late I know, but Sneider's goal was all class. Gio vB clears the ball off his own line, picks it up wide left, drills and inch perfect ball to Kuyt (who reminds me more and more of Mark Hughes at his pomp every time I see him play) and his layoff to Sneider was perfect. But WS still had so much to do, and didn't he do it brilliantly? Some goal.