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Posted April 23, 2021 00:36 · last edited April 23, 2021 00:41

martinb
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Something I really like about this is that it's a win for capitalism.
The modern sports league formats (often considered the american style but in reality seen throughout the world), are a more socialist style model, with salary caps etc, and guaranteed participation regardless of performance. And they bring the typical socialist problems - hypocrisy and greed at the leadership level. 
It's great that football fans reject that, and really value merit-based participation. 


That's a biased way of looking at things. What the ESL clubs were trying to do is what capitalism, without regulation, leads to - the wealthy and powerful setting up markets to their benefit.

The debate of socialism vs capitalism is best left alone in this forum as it will go wild and most probably result in me being reprimanded, as has happened in the past. This place tends to get policed by opinion rather than rules when it comes to these sorts of topics. 
Lets just say I don't believe my post was biased toward anything or anybody, and move on!

Yeh the class politics of football are insane.
Champion of the people Jamie Vardy and his club's underdog billionaire.
I don't think that restricting what billionaires can do with their power and dosh after a working and middle class revolt can really be spun as a victory of capitalism. And when the proposed salary caps that are a leveler elsewhere would be to stop rampant inflation of already obscenely high player pay.
But I can see the point you are aiming at. 

The failure of this venture doesn't "restrict what billionaires can do with their power and dosh" whatsoever. The point of it was to generate new revenue for the club. Revenue that doesn't exist now. They can still do what they like with their money, they just wanted to generate more of it. 
Salary caps are explicitly anti-capitalist, so not sure what that last bit was about. 
The english football pyramid is very capitalist. Merit-based, no ceiling for what you can do, no regulation of wages etc. If you can win, then you reap the spoils, and build yourself a platform for longer term success.  Far cry from salary-capped, ring-fenced franchise leagues. And also very little safety net if things go awry. 

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martinb
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Something I really like about this is that it's a win for capitalism.
The modern sports league formats (often considered the american style but in reality seen throughout the world), are a more socialist style model, with salary caps etc, and guaranteed participation regardless of performance. And they bring the typical socialist problems - hypocrisy and greed at the leadership level. 
It's great that football fans reject that, and really value merit-based participation. 


That's a biased way of looking at things. What the ESL clubs were trying to do is what capitalism, without regulation, leads to - the wealthy and powerful setting up markets to their benefit.

The debate of socialism vs capitalism is best left alone in this forum as it will go wild and most probably result in me being reprimanded, as has happened in the past. This place tends to get policed by opinion rather than rules when it comes to these sorts of topics. 
Lets just say I don't believe my post was biased toward anything or anybody, and move on!

Yeh the class politics of football are insane.
Champion of the people Jamie Vardy and his club's underdog billionaire.
I don't think that restricting what billionaires can do with their power and dosh after a working and middle class revolt can really be spun as a victory of capitalism. And when the proposed salary caps that are a leveler elsewhere would be to stop rampant inflation of already obscenely high player pay.
But I can see the point you are aiming at. 

The failure of this venture doesn't "restrict what billionaires can do with their power and dosh" whatsoever. The point of it was to generate new revenue for the club. Revenue that doesn't exist now. They can still do what they like with their money, they just wanted to generate more of it. 
Salary caps are explicitly anti-capitalist, so not sure what that last bit was about.