Candidates from within in NZ I reckon would be
Ramon
Danny Hay
Neil Emblem
Brett Angell
Anthony Hudson - Technical advisor
^ I would say Ramon is probably first in line there...although he too would be a gamble. Shame he didn't manage to get an A-League gig...a couple of successful seasons there and who knows where he might be now?
I'd have thought Schooboy, Under-17s and a first season in the NZFC isn't really credentials for the full gig. I'm not seeing Ramon and they have overlooked Gribbers before as well.
For me they'll go overseas again then Hay will be a leading contender once that goes traditionally tits up.
Darren Baizley seems to be always around the team, and has had a long run with the 20s. Given the liking for UK folk, is he not next in line if we think of succession planning?
Not that I see him in, it but NZF do things like this.
'When asked how Hudson will be remembered, Rufer said he won't be.'
Love it!
Darren Baizley seems to be always around the team, and has had a long run with the 20s. Given the liking for UK folk, is he not next in line if we think of succession planning?
Not that I see him in, it but NZF do things like this.
Hudson came out of left field. NZF are quite capable of choosing whatever misfit takes their fancy.
I'd have thought Schooboy, Under-17s and a first season in the NZFC isn't really credentials for the full gig. I'm not seeing Ramon and they have overlooked Gribbers before as well.
For me they'll go overseas again then Hay will be a leading contender once that goes traditionally tits up.
tend to agree with this, if Ramon is ever involved in NZ set up I think it will be at U20 level
If Hudson leaves, NZF will do nothing for a while then look overseas and get the next "big" name (in their eyes) and we'll start this whole angst thing over again!
I would just make a point - a lot of the praise for Hudson is to compare how much better we are now than we were against Mexico. The games against mexico were probably the lowest point for NZ football in 15 years.
I think a far more interesting comparison is to compare against where we "should" be given our players and resources. I personally don't think that Hudson has overachieved, he's probably got us to about par. We've defended pretty well against non-Oceania sides, but then we have some decent defenders. We've struggled to score goals against non-Oceania sides which isn't great given our forward line is about as good as it's been for a long time.
But all the stuff like, "look how much we've improved since Mexico", and "he had us 90 minutes away from a World Cup" is bluster. After Mexico, literally the only way was up. We would have improved with anyone at the helm. And when we start our 4 year cycle we are in practice 180 minutes away from a World Cup so I really don't see that as a massive achievement.
Sure a strong forward line by NZ standards, but a weak forward line by say the standards of a top 50 international team. Yet again Rojas was a bit player against a non Oceania side. He should be having a serious look, at why Thomas's career is starting to take off, and what he can take from that.
A couple of feet each the other way and we score two goals - Thomas in Wellington & Wood in Lima. Hudson will be having some sleepless nights as to whether he played it right with a half mobile Wood over the 2 legs. Who knows, but be interesting to see how much he plays for Burnley over next few weeks.
In article below Brockie offers some praise of Hudson (of course biased as he was belatedly recalled by the gaffer), but again continues a pretty constant theme from the playing group. As someone else mentioned above, be interesting to see what someone like Moss says (if he ever offers an insight), as he virtually never played under AH - so a completely unbiased view of his coaching abilities you'd say.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/98...
I'm sure he's a competent coach. I'm interested in what he is going to be able to do over the next 4 year cycle to take us to the next level. It's an obvious problem that we struggle to score goals against even moderate opposition.
He picked a team in the second leg, which I think we all knew we had to score in to qualify, with basically no goal scorers. I personally think that has to come under some scrutiny, was the actual plan to just wait until Wood cam on to try and score? That's an odd tactic I think
Hudson explained it (well my interpretation) as the coaching/medico staff thought Wood was good for 45 mins (or maybe it was 75 mins if game went to ET??). Maybe there is some medical science behind likely timeframe someone can play, without further aggravating an existing hammie twinge??
Anyway his call was that if Wood started and aggravated his hammie and came off, would be a massive blow to the confidence/morale of rest of the team. Yes I can see his point somewhat if as a team mate you see one of your 3 major players limp to sideline after only say 10 mins - as could have happened. Not a great morale boost when you already feel the world is against you, in a packed Lima stadia, and you still have 80 mins to go without your main scoring source. You feel like you already have no chance after only 10 mins.
Better to feel that if you are still in the game at HT, and you have your trump card still to join the fight. So they took the view that better Wood came on in the 2nd half. Of course still no gtee Wood wouldn't worsen his injury after say only 10 mins of the 2nd half, and limp off.
Who knows if Hudson got it right. I'd say as much a decision of Wood and the AWs medicos as Hudson.
However I firmly believe Wood wasn't 100%. I was in Lima. He barely stretched out or sprinted, did virtually no pressing and was just there to use his big body as a target man, create anxiety amongst the Peruvians - which he did.
I'd be very surprised if he played 90 mins for Burnley at full tilt in their next game.
Yeah but that basically says to me that after 4 years he didn't have a plan for how we could score a goal without Chris Wood on the pitch. That side he put out in the first half in Peru wouldn't score in 5 halves (other than maybe from a corner)
With Wood we have a quality forward line. Without him we seriously don’t. Yes I think Hudson deserves criticism for only picking Brockie at the last minute in these playoff games, and not earlier against say Japan. If AH didn’t have faith in the likes of Bevan, Patterson, Smeltz to do a job in Woods absence he should have given Brockie a go earlier. He should have had a plan for a Wood injury. Though we are talking about a guy in Brocks with one AWs goal in 50 games.
All of these players are miles below Woods ability at the moment. You can add to that mix Kosta and Rojas. No combination of these players was seriously going to trouble Peru away. So yes Hudson had no plan B, but it’s also hard to polish a turd when playing a true quality side like the Peruvians.
Candidates from within in NZ I reckon would be
Ramon
Danny Hay
Neil Emblem
Brett Angell
Candidates from within in NZ I reckon would be
Ramon
Danny Hay
Neil Emblem
Brett Angell
i would throw a few bob on Heraf (spelling) getting the job.
I for one think it's time to go for a non UK based European influence in our football teams - the next two years are not about winning it's about building a style of play that we can showcase to younger players to try and strive to develop towards. Put it this way, who is the next Chris Wood or Winston Reid - do they exist, if not what happens to our team in 4 years if one or both are not available - some long term planning needs to take place.
Agree wholeheartedly on a non-UK coaching influence. Giving Ramon a part-time option to babysit the AWs for a few seasons would be an excellent way to use his talents without breaking the bank. Not sure how this would work while Martin remains the NZF head honcho.
Guys if we don't stop saying Hudson's average, he won't get his next gig cos they read here he's not got the goods and he'll think about staying and then Steve Kearney won't be the coach.... point being we could do much worse too
I don't know where people think these magical players will come from to play this amazing style that Hudson failed to provide. On reflection I do think its strange that AH didn't use Brockie before this, its not like he didn't have time over the past few years with Wood going off to his sisters wedding and the like. Its a bit late in the piece to be deciding someone you previously didn't think up to the job is now the man for the job on the eve of the most important game in your career - it wasn't lke Brockie was replacing a superstar or anything.
I would just make a point - a lot of the praise for Hudson is to compare how much better we are now than we were against Mexico. The games against mexico were probably the lowest point for NZ football in 15 years.
I think a far more interesting comparison is to compare against where we "should" be given our players and resources. I personally don't think that Hudson has overachieved, he's probably got us to about par. We've defended pretty well against non-Oceania sides, but then we have some decent defenders. We've struggled to score goals against non-Oceania sides which isn't great given our forward line is about as good as it's been for a long time.
But all the stuff like, "look how much we've improved since Mexico", and "he had us 90 minutes away from a World Cup" is bluster. After Mexico, literally the only way was up. We would have improved with anyone at the helm. And when we start our 4 year cycle we are in practice 180 minutes away from a World Cup so I really don't see that as a massive achievement.
Had Nelsen not retired a couple of months before hand and Reid not injured himself so close to those matches, I’m sure the scores would never have been as bad as they were and RH wouldn’t have played Plodder out of the blue.
Candidates from within in NZ I reckon would be
Ramon
Danny Hay
Neil Emblem
Brett Angell
how do you make that out? OK he can be an idiot on the sideline (we used to call them characters) but his coaching ability is brilliant, he has basically had to build a new team each season at HBU and had bu55er all money to do it with, yet he has finished runners up and 4th and looks as if he has a team that will be there or thereabouts this season.
Candidates from within in NZ I reckon would be
Ramon
Danny Hay
Neil Emblem
Brett Angell
how do you make that out? OK he can be an idiot on the sideline (we used to call them characters) but his coaching ability is brilliant, he has basically had to build a new team each season at HBU and had bu55er all money to do it with, yet he has finished runners up and 4th and looks as if he has a team that will be there or thereabouts this season.
You’ve said it there, he can be a dick. If he was AW coach, I can see him pissing so many off that Dyer would end up being the best player available for selection.
Candidates from within in NZ I reckon would be
Ramon
Danny Hay
Neil Emblem
Brett Angell
how do you make that out? OK he can be an idiot on the sideline (we used to call them characters) but his coaching ability is brilliant, he has basically had to build a new team each season at HBU and had bu55er all money to do it with, yet he has finished runners up and 4th and looks as if he has a team that will be there or thereabouts this season.
You’ve said it there, he can be a dick. If he was AW coach, I can see him pissing so many off that Dyer would end up being the best player available for selection.
Ramon and Neil Emblem would be the dream team
Candidates from within in NZ I reckon would be
Ramon
Danny Hay
Neil Emblem
Brett Angell
how do you make that out? OK he can be an idiot on the sideline (we used to call them characters) but his coaching ability is brilliant, he has basically had to build a new team each season at HBU and had bu55er all money to do it with, yet he has finished runners up and 4th and looks as if he has a team that will be there or thereabouts this season.
I mean the off field shark that's followed Hudson his entire tenure would be worse and probably equally deserved.
Go to market and hire the best person we can afford no matter their nationality or residency.
How well has Danny Hay done with teams he's coached? And how is he rated by players from those teams, or others who have coached alongside him?
With Wood we have a quality forward line. Without him we seriously don’t. Yes I think Hudson deserves criticism for only picking Brockie at the last minute in these playoff games, and not earlier against say Japan. If AH didn’t have faith in the likes of Bevan, Patterson, Smeltz to do a job in Woods absence he should have given Brockie a go earlier. He should have had a plan for a Wood injury. Though we are talking about a guy in Brocks with one AWs goal in 50 games.
All of these players are miles below Woods ability at the moment. You can add to that mix Kosta and Rojas. No combination of these players was seriously going to trouble Peru away. So yes Hudson had no plan B, but it’s also hard to polish a turd when playing a true quality side like the Peruvians.
Sure, but the question is has Hudson brought the team forwards? And I question his approach in the away leg when I can't see how the team that he picked could actually score a goal
With Wood we have a quality forward line. Without him we seriously don’t. Yes I think Hudson deserves criticism for only picking Brockie at the last minute in these playoff games, and not earlier against say Japan. If AH didn’t have faith in the likes of Bevan, Patterson, Smeltz to do a job in Woods absence he should have given Brockie a go earlier. He should have had a plan for a Wood injury. Though we are talking about a guy in Brocks with one AWs goal in 50 games.
All of these players are miles below Woods ability at the moment. You can add to that mix Kosta and Rojas. No combination of these players was seriously going to trouble Peru away. So yes Hudson had no plan B, but it’s also hard to polish a turd when playing a true quality side like the Peruvians.
Sure, but the question is has Hudson brought the team forwards? And I question his approach in the away leg when I can't see how the team that he picked could actually score a goal
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And I question his approach in the away leg when I can't see how the team that he picked could actually score a goal
Wood came extremely close to heading one home in the 47th minute. Great keeping kept it out.
With Wood we have a quality forward line. Without him we seriously don’t. Yes I think Hudson deserves criticism for only picking Brockie at the last minute in these playoff games, and not earlier against say Japan. If AH didn’t have faith in the likes of Bevan, Patterson, Smeltz to do a job in Woods absence he should have given Brockie a go earlier. He should have had a plan for a Wood injury. Though we are talking about a guy in Brocks with one AWs goal in 50 games.
All of these players are miles below Woods ability at the moment. You can add to that mix Kosta and Rojas. No combination of these players was seriously going to trouble Peru away. So yes Hudson had no plan B, but it’s also hard to polish a turd when playing a true quality side like the Peruvians.
Sure, but the question is has Hudson brought the team forwards? And I question his approach in the away leg when I can't see how the team that he picked could actually score a goal
We had no shots on target in 180 minutes?
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And I question his approach in the away leg when I can't see how the team that he picked could actually score a goal
Wood came extremely close to heading one home in the 47th minute. Great keeping kept it out.
Was given a foul so wouldn't have counted anyway. So ultimately not that close.
With Wood we have a quality forward line. Without him we seriously don’t. Yes I think Hudson deserves criticism for only picking Brockie at the last minute in these playoff games, and not earlier against say Japan. If AH didn’t have faith in the likes of Bevan, Patterson, Smeltz to do a job in Woods absence he should have given Brockie a go earlier. He should have had a plan for a Wood injury. Though we are talking about a guy in Brocks with one AWs goal in 50 games.
All of these players are miles below Woods ability at the moment. You can add to that mix Kosta and Rojas. No combination of these players was seriously going to trouble Peru away. So yes Hudson had no plan B, but it’s also hard to polish a turd when playing a true quality side like the Peruvians.
Sure, but the question is has Hudson brought the team forwards? And I question his approach in the away leg when I can't see how the team that he picked could actually score a goal
We had no shots on target in 180 minutes?
No shots on target isn't the same as not creating chances. Wood was through one on one and put it wide.
He also definitely had a shot on target from a freekick in the first leg.
With Wood we have a quality forward line. Without him we seriously don’t. Yes I think Hudson deserves criticism for only picking Brockie at the last minute in these playoff games, and not earlier against say Japan. If AH didn’t have faith in the likes of Bevan, Patterson, Smeltz to do a job in Woods absence he should have given Brockie a go earlier. He should have had a plan for a Wood injury. Though we are talking about a guy in Brocks with one AWs goal in 50 games.
All of these players are miles below Woods ability at the moment. You can add to that mix Kosta and Rojas. No combination of these players was seriously going to trouble Peru away. So yes Hudson had no plan B, but it’s also hard to polish a turd when playing a true quality side like the Peruvians.
Sure, but the question is has Hudson brought the team forwards? And I question his approach in the away leg when I can't see how the team that he picked could actually score a goal
We had no shots on target in 180 minutes?
No shots on target isn't the same as not creating chances. Wood was through one on one and put it wide.
He also definitely had a shot on target from a freekick in the first leg.
With Wood we have a quality forward line. Without him we seriously don’t. Yes I think Hudson deserves criticism for only picking Brockie at the last minute in these playoff games, and not earlier against say Japan. If AH didn’t have faith in the likes of Bevan, Patterson, Smeltz to do a job in Woods absence he should have given Brockie a go earlier. He should have had a plan for a Wood injury. Though we are talking about a guy in Brocks with one AWs goal in 50 games.
All of these players are miles below Woods ability at the moment. You can add to that mix Kosta and Rojas. No combination of these players was seriously going to trouble Peru away. So yes Hudson had no plan B, but it’s also hard to polish a turd when playing a true quality side like the Peruvians.
Sure, but the question is has Hudson brought the team forwards? And I question his approach in the away leg when I can't see how the team that he picked could actually score a goal
We had no shots on target in 180 minutes?
Yes technically true. But is a bit churlish. Free kick given against Boxall was clearly a dive by the Peruvian defender.
Wood's first touch of the ball from memory. I think we can give him and the AWs that one as on target.
How many shots on target did the 2010 WC team have over the 3 games? 3 with 2 goals??
With Wood we have a quality forward line. Without him we seriously don’t. Yes I think Hudson deserves criticism for only picking Brockie at the last minute in these playoff games, and not earlier against say Japan. If AH didn’t have faith in the likes of Bevan, Patterson, Smeltz to do a job in Woods absence he should have given Brockie a go earlier. He should have had a plan for a Wood injury. Though we are talking about a guy in Brocks with one AWs goal in 50 games.
All of these players are miles below Woods ability at the moment. You can add to that mix Kosta and Rojas. No combination of these players was seriously going to trouble Peru away. So yes Hudson had no plan B, but it’s also hard to polish a turd when playing a true quality side like the Peruvians.
Sure, but the question is has Hudson brought the team forwards? And I question his approach in the away leg when I can't see how the team that he picked could actually score a goal
We had no shots on target in 180 minutes?
Yes technically true. But is a bit churlish. Free kick given against Boxall was clearly a dive by the Peruvian defender.
Wood's first touch of the ball from memory. I think we can give him and the AWs that one as on target.
How many shots on target did the 2010 WC team have over the 3 games? 3 with 2 goals??
I wonder if Hudson would fancy the Aussie team since Ange has left today...
I wonder if Hudson would fancy the Aussie team since Ange has left today...
LOL Even the Aussies are smarter than that.
How well has Danny Hay done with teams he's coached? And how is he rated by players from those teams, or others who have coached alongside him?
What senior teams has he coach? Apart from the past couple of months with Suburbs.
That's a massive claim. There has been no evidence at all to suggest Gallop and Lowy are in any way smarter than that.
How well has Danny Hay done with teams he's coached? And how is he rated by players from those teams, or others who have coached alongside him?
What senior teams has he coach? Apart from the past couple of months with Suburbs.
it's Wynton - it's had as much air time as it deserved (probably more) - time to move on.
(definitely more)
ftfy.
We had a whip around at Fever towers and bought a ticket - Hudson for Socceroos:
I think there's a spelling mistake in there, isn't his first name Anfhony?
I wonder if Hudson would fancy the Aussie team since Ange has left today...
We could (and almost certainly will) do worse.
I've been thinking a bit about the future of the AWs on a reduced budget.
Next two years the All Whites, for all intents and purposes, are the U23 team. Spend all the money on the team for that tournamen.t Run the AWs over a 2 year programme rather than a 4 year programme after the Olympics in 2020.
Someone who knows more about the schedule will be able to pick holes in this, but if we have a limited pot of cash why not spend it at the pointy end only?
Danny Hay is a lot worse than Hudson.