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MetalLegNZ wrote:

Whist I deplore what he has done (and I am thinking wider than him here) at what point in time do we (society) say that someone has paid their dues / done their time.

This happened 10 years ago - he's paid publicly / financially / socially and probably by every other measure... does he never get to truely move forward. All of us I am sure know people who have done bad things, made bad choices.

Don't get me wrong I hate what he did (I refused to play cricket with a player who beat his girlfriend) - just curious the thinking?

I think the issue is that Veitch appears to have lost nothing at all

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james dean wrote:

somewhere between 4 and 5 I think.

Some panel discussion. A few seemed in the know. Chris Mirams, the producer and Gifford 

Andy's best mate Veitch expressed great surprise 

Andy wasn't there but I don't think he would want this to break if he hasn't  signed his new contract. It's never great for your future  employment prospects if you have had to bring in the lawyers in your last job


Can you expand - this is fascinating given Martin seemed to say that he and Huddo were best buds

To avoid any confusion the above reference to Andy is Andrew Hudson.

In short they said that certain people at nz football tried to fire Hudson (implying the big boss) but Hudson lawyered up in mediation and kept his job as a result. Found it fascinating that all these non football types knew. Veitch expressed great surprise, but that cod is so transparent I think he knew what was going on more then anyone

If anyone can be assed listen between the above time frames between the above hours on demand on Sunday online and it will be there.

Yeah still confused...

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james dean wrote:

james dean wrote:

somewhere between 4 and 5 I think.

Some panel discussion. A few seemed in the know. Chris Mirams, the producer and Gifford 

Andy's best mate Veitch expressed great surprise 

Andy wasn't there but I don't think he would want this to break if he hasn't  signed his new contract. It's never great for your future  employment prospects if you have had to bring in the lawyers in your last job


Can you expand - this is fascinating given Martin seemed to say that he and Huddo were best buds

To avoid any confusion the above reference to Andy is Andrew Hudson.

In short they said that certain people at nz football tried to fire Hudson (implying the big boss) but Hudson lawyered up in mediation and kept his job as a result. Found it fascinating that all these non football types knew. Veitch expressed great surprise, but that cod is so transparent I think he knew what was going on more then anyone

If anyone can be assed listen between the above time frames between the above hours on demand on Sunday online and it will be there.

Yeah still confused...

I think he's just scrwwed up the name and all refernces to "Andy" should be "Anfony"

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Nelfoos wrote:

james dean wrote:

james dean wrote:

somewhere between 4 and 5 I think.

Some panel discussion. A few seemed in the know. Chris Mirams, the producer and Gifford 

Andy's best mate Veitch expressed great surprise 

Andy wasn't there but I don't think he would want this to break if he hasn't  signed his new contract. It's never great for your future  employment prospects if you have had to bring in the lawyers in your last job


Can you expand - this is fascinating given Martin seemed to say that he and Huddo were best buds

To avoid any confusion the above reference to Andy is Andrew Hudson.

In short they said that certain people at nz football tried to fire Hudson (implying the big boss) but Hudson lawyered up in mediation and kept his job as a result. Found it fascinating that all these non football types knew. Veitch expressed great surprise, but that cod is so transparent I think he knew what was going on more then anyone

If anyone can be assed listen between the above time frames between the above hours on demand on Sunday online and it will be there.

Yeah still confused...

I think he's just scrwwed up the name and all refernces to "Andy" should be "Anfony"

so we're talking about Anfony Martin and Andrew Hudson right? :-)

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Nelfoos wrote:

james dean wrote:

james dean wrote:

somewhere between 4 and 5 I think.

Some panel discussion. A few seemed in the know. Chris Mirams, the producer and Gifford 

Andy's best mate Veitch expressed great surprise 

Andy wasn't there but I don't think he would want this to break if he hasn't  signed his new contract. It's never great for your future  employment prospects if you have had to bring in the lawyers in your last job


Can you expand - this is fascinating given Martin seemed to say that he and Huddo were best buds

To avoid any confusion the above reference to Andy is Andrew Hudson.

In short they said that certain people at nz football tried to fire Hudson (implying the big boss) but Hudson lawyered up in mediation and kept his job as a result. Found it fascinating that all these non football types knew. Veitch expressed great surprise, but that cod is so transparent I think he knew what was going on more then anyone

If anyone can be assed listen between the above time frames between the above hours on demand on Sunday online and it will be there.

Yeah still confused...

I think he's just scrwwed up the name and all refernces to "Andy" should be "Anfony"

so we're talking about Anfony Martin and Andrew Hudson right? :-)

No, Martin Hudson and Anthony Andrews
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Nelfoos wrote:

james dean wrote:

james dean wrote:

somewhere between 4 and 5 I think.

Some panel discussion. A few seemed in the know. Chris Mirams, the producer and Gifford 

Andy's best mate Veitch expressed great surprise 

Andy wasn't there but I don't think he would want this to break if he hasn't  signed his new contract. It's never great for your future  employment prospects if you have had to bring in the lawyers in your last job


Can you expand - this is fascinating given Martin seemed to say that he and Huddo were best buds

To avoid any confusion the above reference to Andy is Andrew Hudson.

In short they said that certain people at nz football tried to fire Hudson (implying the big boss) but Hudson lawyered up in mediation and kept his job as a result. Found it fascinating that all these non football types knew. Veitch expressed great surprise, but that cod is so transparent I think he knew what was going on more then anyone

If anyone can be assed listen between the above time frames between the above hours on demand on Sunday online and it will be there.

Yeah still confused...

I think he's just scrwwed up the name and all refernces to "Andy" should be "Anfony"

so we're talking about Anfony Martin and Andrew Hudson right? :-)

No, Martin Hudson and Anthony Andrews

The Former Chief Executive Managers of NZ Football
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As interviewed, or not by Tony Wretch

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MetalLegNZ wrote:

Whist I deplore what he has done (and I am thinking wider than him here) at what point in time do we (society) say that someone has paid their dues / done their time.

This happened 10 years ago - he's paid publicly / financially / socially and probably by every other measure... does he never get to truely move forward. All of us I am sure know people who have done bad things, made bad choices.

Don't get me wrong I hate what he did (I refused to play cricket with a player who beat his girlfriend) - just curious the thinking?

Sorry, I'm completely out of the loop and a little bit wasted - what happened here to whom?

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mods take control what the fudge has Vietch's history got to do with football? I come to this threat to read about whats in the title

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Ddis fred 'urts me 'ed.

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just scrolled through the new coaching thread on the Rapids forum. Many have drunk the Kool-Aid and think hes the messiah. They will be very disappointed when they find out he's just a naughty boy.

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https://www.burgundywave.com/2017/11/28/16707996/3-reasons-why-anthony-hudson-is-not-the-best-choice-for-the-rapids

This line from the article sounds familiar.

...conducting a global search and had 100+ applicants leads us (or at least me) to believe that we’re going to end up with an exciting name.

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Sanday wrote:

https://www.burgundywave.com/2017/11/28/16707996/3-reasons-why-anthony-hudson-is-not-the-best-choice-for-the-rapids

This line from the article sounds familiar.

...conducting a global search and had 100+ applicants leads us (or at least me) to believe that we’re going to end up with an exciting name.

 It will be very interesting to watch him week in week out in the grind of a league season. he did get prickly with the NZ media from time to time. Which is surprising because coaching the AW's means that for most of the year you get ignored by the sports media. He will be under the football media blowtorch on a weekly basis in the MLS...if things don't go well he will be under huge pressure.

I do wish him well though....I was disappointed by his AW tenure.....the buildup was not matched by what we saw on the field but he is passionate and ambitious about football and will be better for his AW experiance

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Would be good if he signs Kip Colvey, but we all know at the top of the list it will be Dyer.

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JamesBo wrote:

Would be good if he signs Kip Colvey, but we all know at the top of the list it will be Dyer.

Dyer would be an interesting signing! He also was a bit of a fan of Alex Rufer? 

If he signed some young Kiwis up, even to their USL feeder side that’s a good thing. Gets them out of the NZ football bubble. 

Vancouver and Portland have formed little Kiwi clusters, helped by NZers on their staff.

Still Hudson will of course be focused on a getting strong team together and results. We can’t really expect any freebies to NZ.

And yes interesting to see how he goes.

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His first press conference. Lots of talk of "philosophy" and "alignment". As is being an attacking team. Plenty of stuff we got spun in 2014. 

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Anthony Hudson dictionary:

"Attacking" - Keeping your EPL striker on the bench, defend like fudge and try pinch a goal away

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Let it go mate, he's gone for ever.

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Someone close this thread and burn it to the ground or move it to the scrap heap sub-forum. He's a shark talking coach, he's not a kiwi and he's no longer an All Whites coach anymore. I rest my case

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Anthony Hudson dictionary:

"Attacking" - Keeping your EPL striker on the bench, defend like fudge and try pinch a goal away

I mean, how else were you gonna win the World Cup playoff with an injured Wood? As far as criticisms of Anthony's time in NZ go (even though there are tons of valid ones), this has to be the dumbest I've read.
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Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Anthony Hudson dictionary:

"Attacking" - Keeping your EPL striker on the bench, defend like fudge and try pinch a goal away

I mean, how else were you gonna win the World Cup playoff with an injured Wood? As far as criticisms of Anthony's time in NZ go (even though there are tons of valid ones), this has to be the dumbest I've read.

Right. So he can play 90 at Burnley both sides of an AW game but not for the AWs? Its been commented widely that there was no real logic to playing the best player from the bench and that it was a tactical move that did not come off but dressed up as an 'injury'

Jog on mate

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Anthony Hudson dictionary:

"Attacking" - Keeping your EPL striker on the bench, defend like fudge and try pinch a goal away

I mean, how else were you gonna win the World Cup playoff with an injured Wood? As far as criticisms of Anthony's time in NZ go (even though there are tons of valid ones), this has to be the dumbest I've read.

Right. So he can play 90 at Burnley both sides of an AW game but not for the AWs? Its been commented widely that there was no real logic to playing the best player from the bench and that it was a tactical move that did not come off but dressed up as an 'injury'

Jog on mate

He played 65 the weekend before, in his first game back after first hurting his hamstring.

He then played 0 three days after Lima, where Dyche says he didn't consider him due to travel; 12 a week after that; and finally 90 a couple of days ago.

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2ndBest wrote:

His first press conference. Lots of talk of "philosophy" and "alignment". As is being an attacking team. Plenty of stuff we got spun in 2014. 

I get the distinct impression that you either don't like him or don't rate him. Perhaps both. :)

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People still seem to care about the bloke even though he has literally nothing to do with us anymore.

Maybe just let it go, guys.

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The dislike of Anfony is personal more than it is to do with football, so no wonder it persists when he's gone. It's the woman scorned warning her ex's new gf about what a bastard he is.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Anthony Hudson dictionary:

"Attacking" - Keeping your EPL striker on the bench, defend like fudge and try pinch a goal away

I mean, how else were you gonna win the World Cup playoff with an injured Wood? As far as criticisms of Anthony's time in NZ go (even though there are tons of valid ones), this has to be the dumbest I've read.

Right. So he can play 90 at Burnley both sides of an AW game but not for the AWs? Its been commented widely that there was no real logic to playing the best player from the bench and that it was a tactical move that did not come off but dressed up as an 'injury'

Jog on mate

Oops big mistake to Endorse your silly comments above. My fat fingers

And yes FFS Wood was injured for both Peru legs. That’s life sometimes

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coochiee wrote:

JamesBo wrote:

Would be good if he signs Kip Colvey, but we all know at the top of the list it will be Dyer.

Dyer would be an interesting signing! He also was a bit of a fan of Alex Rufer? 

If he signed some young Kiwis up, even to their USL feeder side that’s a good thing. Gets them out of the NZ football bubble. 

Vancouver and Portland have formed little Kiwi clusters, helped by NZers on their staff.

Still Hudson will of course be focused on a getting strong team together and results. We can’t really expect any freebies to NZ.

And yes interesting to see how he goes.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-game/99431935/all-whites-on-former-coach-anthony-hudsons-radar-as-he-gets-going-in-colorado

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Anthony Hudson dictionary:

"Attacking" - Keeping your EPL striker on the bench, defend like fudge and try pinch a goal away

I mean, how else were you gonna win the World Cup playoff with an injured Wood? As far as criticisms of Anthony's time in NZ go (even though there are tons of valid ones), this has to be the dumbest I've read.

Right. So he can play 90 at Burnley both sides of an AW game but not for the AWs? Its been commented widely that there was no real logic to playing the best player from the bench and that it was a tactical move that did not come off but dressed up as an 'injury'

Jog on mate

If you don't want to believe he was injured that's up to you, but the players within the camp that I've talked to have said he was unable to play full game and didn't train at all, including the one at my work Xmas party tonight (who also described Hudson as "the best coach I've had"). I believe them.

I should go for a jog though.

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I think he was an All White coach, as much as some of you dislike that. I wouldn't mind keeping up with his progress. Something to do. Interesting if he plays Gleeson or Marinovic etc etc.

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Doloras wrote:

The dislike of Anfony is personal more than it is to do with football, so no wonder it persists when he's gone. It's the woman scorned warning her ex's new gf about what a bastard he is.

I get a strong impression that you've lost the plot or are very close to doing so. Jeez you spin some nonsense

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Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Anthony Hudson dictionary:

"Attacking" - Keeping your EPL striker on the bench, defend like fudge and try pinch a goal away

I mean, how else were you gonna win the World Cup playoff with an injured Wood? As far as criticisms of Anthony's time in NZ go (even though there are tons of valid ones), this has to be the dumbest I've read.

Right. So he can play 90 at Burnley both sides of an AW game but not for the AWs? Its been commented widely that there was no real logic to playing the best player from the bench and that it was a tactical move that did not come off but dressed up as an 'injury'

Jog on mate

If you don't want to believe he was injured that's up to you, but the players within the camp that I've talked to have said he was unable to play full game and didn't train at all, including the one at my work Xmas party tonight (who also described Hudson as "the best coach I've had"). I believe them.

I should go for a jog though.

Yes have been told the exact same. Have a good mate from school who was in the squad for the qualifiers who has said Wood was 100% injured throughout the week and not capable of playing 90. In Peru the travel didn't help with the niggle and he was only good for about an hours worth of football. 

In my opinion it makes far more sense to bring on an injured player at HT against a far superior team who have already played 45 minutes of football. Without doubt having him on chasing shadows for the first 45 wouldve been the wrong move - he wouldve tired quicker, had a greater chance of aggravating the answer and bringing him on when we started to gain more of a foothold in the match (= more opportunities) was the right idea. Bringing him off with the match still in the balance would have had a huge impact on the team's confidence. Once again my mate within the squad shared these thoughts. 

Regardless of the facts some idiots still try to criticize Hudson for something that was out of his control. If Wood wasn't injured he would have been involved in Burnley's first game back after the Intl window and involved from the start the week after - which he wasnt. Its laughable that you have no doubt's about whether Dyche is being honest but will not believe Hudson at all. Players in the team have literally confirmed it and you still wont believe it? Lol you really are one of the more pathetic posters on this forum

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ColeWorld wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Anthony Hudson dictionary:

"Attacking" - Keeping your EPL striker on the bench, defend like fudge and try pinch a goal away

I mean, how else were you gonna win the World Cup playoff with an injured Wood? As far as criticisms of Anthony's time in NZ go (even though there are tons of valid ones), this has to be the dumbest I've read.

Right. So he can play 90 at Burnley both sides of an AW game but not for the AWs? Its been commented widely that there was no real logic to playing the best player from the bench and that it was a tactical move that did not come off but dressed up as an 'injury'

Jog on mate

If you don't want to believe he was injured that's up to you, but the players within the camp that I've talked to have said he was unable to play full game and didn't train at all, including the one at my work Xmas party tonight (who also described Hudson as "the best coach I've had"). I believe them.

I should go for a jog though.

Yes have been told the exact same. Have a good mate from school who was in the squad for the qualifiers who has said Wood was 100% injured throughout the week and not capable of playing 90. In Peru the travel didn't help with the niggle and he was only good for about an hours worth of football. 

In my opinion it makes far more sense to bring on an injured player at HT against a far superior team who have already played 45 minutes of football. Without doubt having him on chasing shadows for the first 45 wouldve been the wrong move - he wouldve tired quicker, had a greater chance of aggravating the answer and bringing him on when we started to gain more of a foothold in the match (= more opportunities) was the right idea. Bringing him off with the match still in the balance would have had a huge impact on the team's confidence. Once again my mate within the squad shared these thoughts. 

Regardless of the facts some idiots still try to criticize Hudson for something that was out of his control. If Wood wasn't injured he would have been involved in Burnley's first game back after the Intl window and involved from the start the week after - which he wasnt. Its laughable that you have no doubt's about whether Dyche is being honest but will not believe Hudson at all. Players in the team have literally confirmed it and you still wont believe it? Lol you really are one of the more pathetic posters on this forum

I'm in no doubt that Chris was injured but we NEEDED A GOAL.  END OF.

If Wood had started both games without our starting XI having been run ragged after 45 minutes of shadow chasing, we would have had a better chance to score.  An early goal for us in either game would have given Peru the sharks and quite possibly have sent us through to Russia.  Instead we played the chasing game we did, too little too late.  Totally negative tactics.

Chris was never going to play the full 90 but I'd have had him start both games, play  20 plus mins, pinch a goal and then brought on Brocks to irritate their defence.

As to Brocks, he was again handed a hospital pass starting off the bench.  So many of us have been hard on him and his piss poor scoring record, but if he only gets 10 mins, once a year, how is he going to achieve that understanding with the other players on the park or score at all with so little game time?

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ColeWorld wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Anthony Hudson dictionary:

"Attacking" - Keeping your EPL striker on the bench, defend like fudge and try pinch a goal away

I mean, how else were you gonna win the World Cup playoff with an injured Wood? As far as criticisms of Anthony's time in NZ go (even though there are tons of valid ones), this has to be the dumbest I've read.

Right. So he can play 90 at Burnley both sides of an AW game but not for the AWs? Its been commented widely that there was no real logic to playing the best player from the bench and that it was a tactical move that did not come off but dressed up as an 'injury'

Jog on mate

If you don't want to believe he was injured that's up to you, but the players within the camp that I've talked to have said he was unable to play full game and didn't train at all, including the one at my work Xmas party tonight (who also described Hudson as "the best coach I've had"). I believe them.

I should go for a jog though.

Yes have been told the exact same. Have a good mate from school who was in the squad for the qualifiers who has said Wood was 100% injured throughout the week and not capable of playing 90. In Peru the travel didn't help with the niggle and he was only good for about an hours worth of football. 

In my opinion it makes far more sense to bring on an injured player at HT against a far superior team who have already played 45 minutes of football. Without doubt having him on chasing shadows for the first 45 wouldve been the wrong move - he wouldve tired quicker, had a greater chance of aggravating the answer and bringing him on when we started to gain more of a foothold in the match (= more opportunities) was the right idea. Bringing him off with the match still in the balance would have had a huge impact on the team's confidence. Once again my mate within the squad shared these thoughts. 

Regardless of the facts some idiots still try to criticize Hudson for something that was out of his control. If Wood wasn't injured he would have been involved in Burnley's first game back after the Intl window and involved from the start the week after - which he wasnt. Its laughable that you have no doubt's about whether Dyche is being honest but will not believe Hudson at all. Players in the team have literally confirmed it and you still wont believe it? Lol you really are one of the more pathetic posters on this forum

CW your dig at Doloras above is a bit too harsh in my opinion, but yes your comments re Hudson's tactics are on the money. Again feel doctor/physio and Wood himself would have had as much or even more input, into how many mins Wood got as opposed to the coach. 

Hudson & coaching staff's decision would have been how do we use his limited mins. I feel they got it right. If he started always risk he tore hammie early, and team shell shocked/morale blown up.

Conceding the soft 2nd goal from the corner was the big problem, not the tactics. If it's still only 1-0, when Wood gets that late chance - and he converts - fudge it's all on!

Anyway overall we should be proud of the team. They did better than expected, against huge odds. Half team playing in poor quality/low level leagues (USL, A League), not a quality home game in 3 years, captain hardly played for team in 4 years, no charter jet to South America, agruably best player only half fit, hostile environment in Lima etc etc

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Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Anthony Hudson dictionary:

"Attacking" - Keeping your EPL striker on the bench, defend like fudge and try pinch a goal away

I mean, how else were you gonna win the World Cup playoff with an injured Wood? As far as criticisms of Anthony's time in NZ go (even though there are tons of valid ones), this has to be the dumbest I've read.

Right. So he can play 90 at Burnley both sides of an AW game but not for the AWs? Its been commented widely that there was no real logic to playing the best player from the bench and that it was a tactical move that did not come off but dressed up as an 'injury'

Jog on mate

If you don't want to believe he was injured that's up to you, but the players within the camp that I've talked to have said he was unable to play full game and didn't train at all, including the one at my work Xmas party tonight (who also described Hudson as "the best coach I've had"). I believe them.

I should go for a jog though.

Sure but if he was good for 60 why did he only play 45?

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james dean wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Anthony Hudson dictionary:

"Attacking" - Keeping your EPL striker on the bench, defend like fudge and try pinch a goal away

I mean, how else were you gonna win the World Cup playoff with an injured Wood? As far as criticisms of Anthony's time in NZ go (even though there are tons of valid ones), this has to be the dumbest I've read.

Right. So he can play 90 at Burnley both sides of an AW game but not for the AWs? Its been commented widely that there was no real logic to playing the best player from the bench and that it was a tactical move that did not come off but dressed up as an 'injury'

Jog on mate

If you don't want to believe he was injured that's up to you, but the players within the camp that I've talked to have said he was unable to play full game and didn't train at all, including the one at my work Xmas party tonight (who also described Hudson as "the best coach I've had"). I believe them.

I should go for a jog though.

Sure but if he was good for 60 why did he only play 45?

If he can play 60 at a push then surely he can give 45 slightly more intense minutes? I'm not sure why you're taking this "60 minutes" as gospel, when it isn't an exact science by any means.

Hudson made a tactical decision to not start him and bring him on later. The other option was to start him and sub him. You can disagree with the choice Hudson made, but I don't. Can you imagine being 2-0 down and subbing off our PL striker? That would be the most demoralising thing for a team. 

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Marto wrote:

ColeWorld wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Anthony Hudson dictionary:

"Attacking" - Keeping your EPL striker on the bench, defend like fudge and try pinch a goal away

I mean, how else were you gonna win the World Cup playoff with an injured Wood? As far as criticisms of Anthony's time in NZ go (even though there are tons of valid ones), this has to be the dumbest I've read.

Right. So he can play 90 at Burnley both sides of an AW game but not for the AWs? Its been commented widely that there was no real logic to playing the best player from the bench and that it was a tactical move that did not come off but dressed up as an 'injury'

Jog on mate

If you don't want to believe he was injured that's up to you, but the players within the camp that I've talked to have said he was unable to play full game and didn't train at all, including the one at my work Xmas party tonight (who also described Hudson as "the best coach I've had"). I believe them.

I should go for a jog though.

Yes have been told the exact same. Have a good mate from school who was in the squad for the qualifiers who has said Wood was 100% injured throughout the week and not capable of playing 90. In Peru the travel didn't help with the niggle and he was only good for about an hours worth of football. 

In my opinion it makes far more sense to bring on an injured player at HT against a far superior team who have already played 45 minutes of football. Without doubt having him on chasing shadows for the first 45 wouldve been the wrong move - he wouldve tired quicker, had a greater chance of aggravating the answer and bringing him on when we started to gain more of a foothold in the match (= more opportunities) was the right idea. Bringing him off with the match still in the balance would have had a huge impact on the team's confidence. Once again my mate within the squad shared these thoughts. 

Regardless of the facts some idiots still try to criticize Hudson for something that was out of his control. If Wood wasn't injured he would have been involved in Burnley's first game back after the Intl window and involved from the start the week after - which he wasnt. Its laughable that you have no doubt's about whether Dyche is being honest but will not believe Hudson at all. Players in the team have literally confirmed it and you still wont believe it? Lol you really are one of the more pathetic posters on this forum

I'm in no doubt that Chris was injured but we NEEDED A GOAL.  END OF.

If Wood had started both games without our starting XI having been run ragged after 45 minutes of shadow chasing, we would have had a better chance to score.  An early goal for us in either game would have given Peru the sharks and quite possibly have sent us through to Russia.  Instead we played the chasing game we did, too little too late.  Totally negative tactics.

Chris was never going to play the full 90 but I'd have had him start both games, play  20 plus mins, pinch a goal and then brought on Brocks to irritate their defence.

As to Brocks, he was again handed a hospital pass starting off the bench.  So many of us have been hard on him and his piss poor scoring record, but if he only gets 10 mins, once a year, how is he going to achieve that understanding with the other players on the park or score at all with so little game time?

Not sure if this is something I should be coming out and saying, but Wood had a huge input into what role he played in both legs. After all only the person with an injury can determine how it feels. He wasn't comfortable starting in Wellington and had let Hudson know this. Also in Lima they were hoping the niggle would come right so he could play from the start but in reality that was always a bit hopeful. And after the long haul travel it was decided it was best he was on the bench again.

If you were at the stadium watching his warm up (or lack of) in Wellington, you would've seen that he was certainly not good to start

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Follow up question - why select Smeltz and Brockie in the squad and then not start one of them in the second leg if Wood was out? In the first leg Rojas was advanced enough to help Kosta out and it worked ok but with Rojas dropped for Tuiloma Kosta may as well have not been playing for all the use he was as an isolated sole striker. At least Smeltz or Brockie could have had more physical presence to win aerial balls or hold possession long enough for support to arrive.

So even accepting the Wood decision, I think you can still seriously question how we set up in that second leg.

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Follow up question - why select Smeltz and Brockie in the squad and then not start one of them in the second leg if Wood was out? In the first leg Rojas was advanced enough to help Kosta out and it worked ok but with Rojas dropped for Tuiloma Kosta may as well have not been playing for all the use he was as an isolated sole striker. At least Smeltz or Brockie could have had more physical presence to win aerial balls or hold possession long enough for support to arrive.

So even accepting the Wood decision, I think you can still seriously question how we set up in that second leg.

I can't think of a way I would have preferred to set up in Lima, bar selecting Wood. Kosta was supposed to be isolated and to press the ball wide to the fullbacks where we could try to trap them or the wingers, which was a pretty clear defensive tactic over the two legs. We set up to not concede, not to try and score and I genuinely don't believe we had any other options. Starting Brockie/Smeltz hurts our defensive effort more than it helps with our attacking one.

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Bottom line for me is I hope Hudson goes on and coaches successfully overseas. And he gives a few young Kiwi footballers a chance to break into professional football internationally.  

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