The Suba-roos (Australian Men's Team)

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Will the A-league players miss any games?
March 09, 2024 15:44
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Nope, during the FIFA window. Depending on when they return, maybe they might miss a match tho.
March 09, 2024 17:08
coochiee
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3 players from the ALM. Like how they list their junior clubs on the FA website squad naming.

https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/subway-socceroos-squad-lebanon-world-cup-qualifiers-revealed

March 14, 2024 13:54
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Socceroos play Lebanon tonight in Sydney. KP 10pm NZ time.
Josh Nisbet has got a first Socceroos callup (injury replacement)

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2024/03/21/asia/wc-qualifying-asia/australia/lebanon/4191010/

March 21, 2024 11:56
coochiee
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Much improved performance in game two against Lebanon in Canberra. A 5-0 win.
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2024/03/26/asia/wc-qualifying-asia/lebanon/australia/4191011/

Next they play Bangladesh and Palestine in June, to complete 2nd Round AFC WC qualifying. Socceroos 4W from 4, are already through to the 3rd Round. 
2nd placed Palestine (7 pts), most likely to join them ahead of Lebanon (3rd, 2 pts).
March 27, 2024 13:33
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No Nestory Irankunda in the Olyroos squad.

That's ridiculous, he's only gone and missed out to someone like Nishan Velupillay. Jesus wept.
April 04, 2024 15:40 · Edited April 04, 2024 16:36
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The kid has a ton on his plate atm, I'm sure they spoke with him & decided on what they thought was best for him.
April 04, 2024 16:11
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Exactly as RR says.

Hopefully they can qualify & end up in NZ's pool at the Olympics. Would add some nice spice.

https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/talking-points-tony-vidmar-discusses-afc-u-23-asian-cup-qatar-2024tm-squad

The rationale behind Nestory Irankunda's omission from the squad

With Nestor, we have to be really mindful, and I've met with Nestory on a couple occasions in the past months, and it's just such an emotional player and what's happened to him this season, I think he's on a roller coaster 24/7. That's just the way he is, that's how it's gone, and we have to look at the bigger picture. And I'm definitely looking at the bigger picture, and that's we want Nestor to be a 10-year plus Socceroo.

He's going to be the future of the national team that's for sure. And we just have to be mindful of what we do with him in the national team space. And at the moment, and we don't want to damage him. What he's got coming up (impending move to Bayern Munich). And you want a player who's really there mentally. So the welfare of the player is number one, he's just turned 18. And that's a big ask for him to come in and all these expectations from people outside.

Because I asked that to him about the expectation and it's been challenging for him. And to throw that on a young kid, as I said it can do more damage. We know the talent that he has, but we are very confident with the squad that we have all around the field, we've actually got players who can score goals. And as I said, the bigger picture is Nestory for the national team forever and a day and we don't want to hurt that at the moment.

.... There's things that we can't really discuss and talk about and the human being is number one, the person as I said. He's been through so much this year. I hate to be in his shoes... Everyone wants a piece of him. And yes, I understand playing for the national team is a huge thing. And I've spoken to him about that. And I think he just wants to play football for his club, and then get ready for that next part of his journey. He's just turned 18, there's a big, big ask for him. 

... I could be selfish, and just bring him in for the sake of that, but dealing with players and having that relationship with them, you find out so much more about him. And we feel that yeah, as I said the bigger picture is is the national team, the Socceroos - you want to be talking about him for the next 15 years as a national team player, and not one that it becomes a difficult thing for him to do because he's dealing with a lot. And that's something that we have to be really aware of and as national teams, that's our focus. That's our number one, and we were looking down the road for him.

April 04, 2024 17:06
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I mean I understand the rationale, but given their isn't really much to play for at Adelaide for the remainder of this season (technically still in contention, but 9 points off 6th) it might've been a good way to get out of the country and help the Olyroos towards Olympic qualification. God knows they could've used a game breaker of his calibre.

If they've mutually decided that's what's best in the interim/short term then fair play to them on working it out.
April 04, 2024 18:14
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April 09, 2024 19:42
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April 16, 2024 09:04
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April 17, 2024 00:41
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Guess we won't be seeing the Olyroos at the Olympics after all. 

😆😆

Technically they can still get out of the group stages, but their destiny is now no longer in their hands.

Given the tiebreaker rules of the competition (see below) only an Australian win v Qatar, coupled with a Jordan victory against Indonesia will get them into 2nd place in the group behind Qatar, who have already qualified for the knockouts. In this scenario they'll also need to have a better goal difference than Jordan too (both -1 as it stands).
  1. Points in head-to-head matches among tied teams;
  2. Goal difference in head-to-head matches among tied teams;
  3. Goals scored in head-to-head matches among tied teams;
  4. If more than two teams are tied, and after applying all head-to-head criteria above, a subset of teams are still tied, all head-to-head criteria above are reapplied exclusively to this subset of teams;
  5. Goal difference in all group matches;
  6. Goals scored in all group matches;
  7. Penalty shoot-out if only two teams are tied and they met in the last round of the group;
  8. Disciplinary points (yellow card = 1 point, red card as a result of two yellow cards = 3 points, direct red card = 3 points, yellow card followed by direct red card = 4 points);
  9. Drawing of lots.


April 19, 2024 07:46
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Crikey when the last time an Australian football lost to an Indonesian team at any level?

Cue the outpouring on Vidmar
April 19, 2024 09:08
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Crikey when the last time an Australian football lost to an Indonesian team at any level?

Cue the outpouring on Vidmar

Cue the laughter after that.

Even New Zealand would be disappointed to lose a match against Indonesia at any level. So Australia will be smarting big time after that. 

Mind you, it's also good for the AFC that a few other countries are emerging from the wilderness after pouring vast resources into their footballing programmes. Australia comparatively doesn't seem to be doing the same in terms of investment - despite the abundance of setups, talent and the facilities overall. They really could find themselves in a position where they're looking over their shoulders with envy at the competition emerging out of Asia in the next 5-10 years.
April 19, 2024 10:27 · Edited April 19, 2024 10:28
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An interesting find on this morning's match as well.

Matchday squad - senior caps for their respective National Teams.
🇮🇩 - 194
🇦🇺 - 5

Some of the Indonesian lads already with 20/30/40 senior caps for their country - from Asian and World Cup Qualifiers to the Asian Cup itself. So there is an incredible level of experience in that Indonesian camp. That kind of experience would give even the underdogs (which they were) the confidence to go in and get that result.

Fair play.
April 19, 2024 15:08 · Edited April 19, 2024 19:07
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Indionesia have always seemed like a bit of a sleeping giant football wise.
276 million people, and a football league that pulls in average crowds about same as the ALM. But their league apparently rife with corruption, as is their whole society.

Their Sth Korean coach Shin Tae-yong sounds like a top operator though, so he could help them finally sort their shark out. Sounds like a team on the improve. Beat Thailand at the Asian Cup, and then recently Vietnam twice in WC 2026 qualifying (incl 3-0 in Hanoi). Their first win over Thailand in 7 years, and their first win in Vietnam in 20 years.

Made the R16 at Asian Cup (lost 4-0 to Socceroos) their first time ever making Asian Cup knockout stages, so yeah a team on the up.


April 19, 2024 16:14 · Edited April 19, 2024 16:20
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YoungheartHM wrote:

Cue the laughter after that.

Even New Zealand would be disappointed to lose a match against Indonesia at any level. So Australia will be smarting big time after that.

Don’t laugh too loud.

All Whites v Indonesia:
3 wins
5 draws
2 losses

Last game was 1997 when we were sparked 5-0. It was a friendly, but still…

Note sure about age group results.

April 19, 2024 22:07 · Edited April 19, 2024 22:08
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ClubOranje
YoungheartHM wrote:

Cue the laughter after that.

Even New Zealand would be disappointed to lose a match against Indonesia at any level. So Australia will be smarting big time after that.

Don’t laugh too loud.

All Whites v Indonesia:
3 wins
5 draws
2 losses

Last game was 1997 when we were sparked 5-0. It was a friendly, but still…

Note sure about age group results.


If we haven't played in the last 5-10 years, then I fail to see the relevance.
April 20, 2024 11:47
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Ends an abysmal Olyroos campaign. Unceremoniously dumped out at the group stage with that result.

Au revoir Olyroos. Maybe we'll see you in LA. 👋
April 22, 2024 06:31 · Edited April 22, 2024 07:00
MetalLegNZ
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They should have taken Irakunda - hindsight is a wonderful thing, but surely he would have given their attack some sting.

Their youth sides scores like our senior mens side.
April 22, 2024 08:27
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They should have taken Irakunda - hindsight is a wonderful thing, but surely he would have given their attack some sting.

Their youth sides scores like our senior mens side.

According to a guy I follow on Twitter (I have not verified this number), they had 54 shots over the 3 matches. If that is true, not being able to convert at least one of them is absolutely dire.
April 22, 2024 09:33
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They should have taken Irakunda - hindsight is a wonderful thing, but surely he would have given their attack some sting.

Their youth sides scores like our senior mens side.

According to a guy I follow on Twitter (I have not verified this number), they had 54 shots over the 3 matches. If that is true, not being able to convert at least one of them is absolutely dire.

Official stats have 53 shots, but only 13 of those were on target.

They made enough chances overall, but there was a lot of half chances and low percentage shots involved in that 53 as well, which probably reflects why only 25% of their shots were on target. 

They did have the most shots on target in the group (13) but all other sides had a better percentage on target (and got goals to boot!)
Qatar 10/24 (42%)
Indonesia 11/38 (29%)
Jordan 12/36 (33%)

For reference most A-League teams sit in the 35-40% range on the same metric.

April 23, 2024 23:14
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There were a heap of Olyroos players unavailable though, tourney being outside a FIFA window and Euro clubs not obligated to release players. Not a problem for many of the other AFC teams, especially Middle Eastern sides that are mostly domestic based players.

I mean if the Olywhites were at this tourney I doubt - Paulsen, Sims, Surman, LK-H, Sutton, Sheridan, OVH, Stamenic, Garbett, Herdman, Old & Waine would be released by their clubs at the moment. Not with big crucial games around relegation, promotion or (ALM) championships happening. Or players like Sims & Herdman so close to first team debuts (as happened for both on the weekend)

Bindon, Dibley-Dias & Henry Gray probably okay. But you'd end up with a very 2nd string OlyWhites like the team that won last years OFC Olympics qualifying tourney, at Mt Smart.

April 23, 2024 23:47 · Edited April 24, 2024 11:30
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April 24, 2024 11:29
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Perhaps we are beginning to see the emergence of a sleeping giant in Asia. 👀


April 26, 2024 14:41
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From memory 4th team in Olywhites pool will be CAF v AFC playoff winner, so could well be Indonesia
April 26, 2024 17:00
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Ive noticed that Indonesia have really started getting in overseas players with Indonesian heritage (mainly from Netherlands) and it seems to be bolstering the team now.  They're are crazy about football there and have massive stadiums and following...maybe now they have turned the corner.
April 27, 2024 13:15
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