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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Chinese football
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From bad to worse...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5irKwp_-fuxUc9-lqz3-aWtnhNjPA

Top Chinese soccer league bumped off TV due after onfield fighting

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BEIJING � The top Chinese soccer games have been bumped from national TV because of on-field fighting at a recent game and reports likening some players to martial arts experts.

Jiang Heping, head of sports for CCTV - China's government-run broadcaster - said he'd prefer to show foreign games. He has accused some players in the China Super League of lacking "professional ethics" following a scuffle last week between clubs from Beijing and the neighbouring city of Tianjin.

After the game, fans attacked the bus of the visiting Tianjin team.

Dong Hua, spokesman for the Chinese Football Association, on Tuesday dismissed what happened, saying it was part of the "fierce competition" as the season nears the end.

"But we have rules and we'll deal with everything according to the rules," Dong said.

His opinion was challenged by a recent headline in the Beijing Evening News, which asked: "When will Chinese football stop bringing shame?" The China News Agency likened Super League games to "a Kungfu movie" and some players to "martial arts heroes."

The Beijing Olympics were widely regarded as a sports success. However, that is not the case with soccer.

"The state of Chinese football at the moment makes everyone feel bitter," Jiang told the Titan sports newspaper. "If it goes on like this, it's in danger of being thoroughly destroyed."

The famed state-run sports machine, which produced 51 Olympic gold medals three months ago, has failed to produce a single marquee soccer player. This nation of 1.3 billion is No. 98 in the world rankings, just ahead of Georgia (pop. 4.6 million) and Barbados (pop. 280,000).

The hallmark of the government-run Super League has been chronic mismanagement, match-fixing scandals and on-field violence.

"In football, the issue of violence is always present," said Rowan Simons, an Englishman and 20-year resident of China, who has worked as a TV analyst in Chinese. "China is not unusual in player fights. But it does seem to be more endemic here."

China's national team was knocked out of 2010 World Cup in Asian qualifying five months ago, failing to make the last 10 in continental competition. The only time China qualified for the World Cup was in 2002. It lost all three games and failed to score.

"The Chinese have tried to replicate the elite level of football they see in Europe without seeing that underneath it is a huge infrastructure of community clubs which have been there for generations," Simons said. "You can't create an elite model of football without a grass-roots model."

Still, China hopes to bid for the 2018 or 2022 World Cup, and could be the leading contender

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and again...
 
Hard times for China's clubs as game declinesBEIJING (Reuters) - Another miserable football season in China drew to an underwhelming close when Shandong Luneng claimed the Chinese Super League (CSL) title with a goalless home draw at the weekend.

Failure for the national and Olympic teams has combined with continuing violence, protests, crime and allegations of corruption on the domestic front to confound the efforts of officials and clubs to arrest the decline of the game in China.

The negative image of football among the Chinese and the consequent declining attendances at games are behind the struggle to attract money into the sport and several clubs face a bleak future.

Shenzhen, champions in 2004, may end up being dissolved as their main investor has announced he wants to offload the club after losing 35 million yuan (3.4 million pounds) running it for the past three years.

"Even if someone gives me money, I just do not want to be troubled by Chinese football any longer," said Yang Saixin, who bought Shenzhen from the previous owner for a nominal one yuan.

Liaoning, who had for years lingered in the top flight by selling their best players, made no money at all this season and were relegated.

Officials sent a letter to fans blaming the club's demise on the depressed climate of Chinese football and their own poor management.

"In recent years the club has been struggling with unrest and heavy debt," it said. "The stress has exhausted us."

LOST INCOME

The turmoil on the money markets around the world is having an effect too and Beijing Guoan, one of the richest clubs in the CSL, have lost 5 million yuan in income from Spanish bank Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria because of the falling value of the euro.

The CSL itself has problems and the Chinese Football Association (CFA) has had to take to the courts to try to get the 54 million yuan they say British company Iphox owes them for sponsoring the 2006 season.

Wuhan's departure from the league in October is symptomatic of the problems facing soccer which is regarded by many Chinese as violent on the pitch and corrupt off it.

When Wuhan's top player, former national team captain Li Weifeng, was suspended for eight matches for an onfield scuffle with a Beijing player, tens of thousands of fans marched through the central Chinese city to object and the club quit the league in protest.

The heavy punishment meted out to Li had little effect on reducing brawls between players or preventing fans from attacking visitors' buses.

A massive "kung fu fight," as local media described it, broke out between Beijing and Tianjin players in November and resulted in state television CCTV stopping all coverage of the CSL.

"The CSL is a humiliation," one CCTV source was quoted as saying to a Titan Sports reporter. "Football does nothing but damage to the excellent environment the Olympics has brought to China's sports."

The usual whispers of match-fixing swirled around the league and Beijing's Zhang Shuai, a former China international defender, decided to retire in November after coming under suspicion.

CUP BID

China's stated goal of reaching the last four at the Beijing Olympics now looks incredibly optimistic after they failed even to get out of the group stage.

The CFA is mulling a bid to host the 2018 or 2022 World Cup finals, which looks to be the only way China will get to play at soccer's showpiece tournament.

A 2-1 defeat at home to Iraq in June saw the dream of a place in South Africa in 2010 disappear in the penultimate round of Asian qualifying.

The CFA, who cancelled the FA Cup and frequently disrupted the CSL season to allow the under-23 side to prepare for August's Olympics, came under furious fire from fans and media with president Xie Yalong attracting particular ire.

"Sack Xie Yalong!" has become a familiar slogan in China's stadiums, newspapers and internet forums over the last couple of years and jokes about him are widespread.

The hapless administrator was sent for "re-education" by the state-run General Administration of Sport after the Olympic failure but finding a replacement is likely to prove difficult.

A former China youth international Wen Junwu was sentenced to death last week for killing a man over gambling debts. Two Xiamen players were stabbed by a taxi driver, a former national striker was attacked in Shenzhen and a Dalian midfielder was near-fatally stabbed on his way to visit his father.

In such an environment, it was no surprise when plans for Beijing Guoan to move next season to the centrepiece of the Olympics, the Bird's Nest Stadium, were shelved.

"We don't want to put any shame on the Bird's Nest," said the club's owner. "Chinese football does not deserve it."

(Editing by Nick Mulvenney and Clare Fallon)

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
and today I noticed... http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/15/sports/SOC-China-Bad-Football.php with the headline "Chinese football getting even worse".
reading on I saw the horror of what it is to live in CCP controlled China "
The country has few grass-roots programs, and football is not in the curriculum of the country's famous state-run sports schools.
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Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Though they did recently issue an edict that they want to be at the cricket world cup in the very near future...


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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
...Which isn't that strange, the MCC in particular are taking great interest in China since the USACA has proven to be inept and the plan to make America a cricket superpower fell through.

Quite interesting that article that says Guoan aren't moving into the Bird's Nest was from around two months ago and I'm sure Clive Palmer has been trumpeting that GCU are going to debut at the bird's nest since then...

Overall, what a horrible situation, and you really wonder what kind of research the Australian blokes heading over there are doing. It also occurs to me that maybe the CSL clubs are going to use the Aussie players to somehow legitimise the league in the public eye?

Either way, Milligan might want to rent some Bruce Li films before he heads off.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The Bird's Nest is now sitting empty with paint peeling off. There is ONE event of some sort planned there for the entireity of 2009.
 
The Newcastle Jets will be playing at Workers Stadium, Guo'ans traditional home ground so I don't see how GCU would play them in a friendly in the Bird's Nest.
 
The Australian players who are going to China obviously have not done their homework. Especially Milligan, who needs to continue developing if he is to meet his dream of playing in Europe at a top level and being a regular Socceroo. Japan and Korea are good ideas, but playing in China...no way!
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Looking at this thread in 2011: So much lols, so much angst...

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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