Good news though. Portugal doing worse damage to DPR Korea than Germany did to you.
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thats something at leastAllegedly
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Good news though.� Portugal doing worse damage to DPR Korea than Germany did to you.
my allegiances lie with ROI, but i guess that is good news.
i know this will wind you all up but the germany australia played was a very different team to the italy the all whites played last night. not to take anything away from the all whites though, a-league players standing up to the world champions is breath-taking in any case.
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Yes, but our aspirations, abilities and rankings are different to Australias.
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also true, apart from aspirations, despite what the idiotic media over here will tell you Australia only want(ed) to make the round of 16
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I agree. I think FIFA are looking at this, as it punnishes the team 3 times. Red card, penalty, and suspension.Crazy
I've seen media talk about it, but never seen any confirmation from FIFA they are looking at it.
The card and penalty punish the team. The suspension punishes the player more than the team, as they still get to field 11 men next game. Players know the laws of the game (mostly) and they know the consequence of cheating. Some still do it. Reduce the punishment and the frequency is only going to move in one direction! (To avoid tangents, this is sport, where crime comes from only one source - influencing the outcome of a match - not at all comparable to society crime.)
The problem with changing it is in removing the disincentive from players to cheat. If you don't get sent off and/or suspended and the only punishment is a penalty, then why wouldn't you handle every goalbound shot? There's a chance the penalty isn't converted and you've benefited from cheating.
I've also seen it suggested that a player is only punished if a penalty is not converted. Sam Allardyce has suggested this several times. It would make penalty taking an interesting strategy - whether to deliberately miss in order to have an opponent dismissed. I can't see FIFA going down this road given that it would provide a team with an incentive to deliberately miss a goal if it's early in a game.
Ultimately, the current approach to the laws seem fair to me. The only argument I could see having success is to make accidental handball a foul too, just as originally happened with other fouls back in the midsts of time. Fouls only used to be fouls if deemed deliberate - at least that was a history lesson I was once given by another ref. Making accidental handball would save the arguments over intent. Wouldn't have kept Kewell on the pitch though!
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although the same rules are supposed to apply, free kicks outside the box and inside the box are very differently approached by refs.
I don't think that's true at all. Certainly wasn't when I was still reffing, for either myself or my peers. The only difference is that you sometimes take an extra second or two to double confirm in your mind a decision you give in the box.
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Really ?� If a ball hits your arm unexpectedly it normally flings your arm back.� His was braced enough that when the ball hit it it came straight back in to play and it wasn't exactly a five yard tap-in.
because there's no way that one would tense one's arms and stand sturdy while on the goal line defending.
go on, think of another
That is precisely the point. Under the current interpretation of deliberate, by making himself 'big' on the line (rather than having his arms completely at his side or infront/behind his torso) he put himself in a position that the ball could hit his arm/hand and precent a goal. -> Deliberate -> Penalty and red.
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i think lucas neil was stupid to go to ground easily when he knew very well that it was an Italian he was dealing with. then again, a fairer ref would have seen how blatantly Grosso abused that moment and would have told him that he should have gone around neil and finish like he first intended to do.
this is coming from a more physical football minded person, though.
Good to see we agree somewhere! This is exactly how I would describe that incident.
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I agree. I think FIFA are looking at this, as it punnishes the team 3 times. Red card, penalty, and suspension.Crazy
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I've seen media talk about it, but never seen any confirmation from FIFA they are looking at it.
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The card and penalty punish the team. The suspension punishes the player more than the team, as they still get to field 11 men next game. Players know the laws of the game (mostly) and they know the consequence of cheating. Some still do it. Reduce the punishment and the frequency is only going to move in one direction! (To avoid tangents, this is sport, where crime comes from only one source - influencing the outcome of a match - not at all comparable to society crime.)
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The problem with changing it is in removing the disincentive from players to cheat. If you don't get sent off and/or suspended and the only punishment is a penalty, then why wouldn't you handle every goalbound shot? There's a chance the penalty isn't converted and you've benefited from cheating.
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I've also seen it suggested that a player is only�punished if a penalty is not converted. Sam Allardyce�has suggested this several times.�It would make penalty taking an interesting strategy - whether to deliberately miss in order to have an opponent dismissed. I can't see FIFA going down this road given that it would provide a team with an incentive to deliberately miss a goal if it's early in a game.
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Ultimately, the current approach to the laws seem fair to me. The only argument I could see having success is to make accidental handball a foul too, just as originally happened with other fouls back in the midsts of time. Fouls only used to be fouls if deemed deliberate - at least that was a history lesson I was once given by another ref. Making accidental handball would save the arguments over intent. Wouldn't have kept Kewell on the pitch though!
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Keep fighting the good fight SiNZ.
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