Morals in the World Cup

Morals in the World Cup

I couldn't seen another thread about this but personally (& maybe its a female view only) if I was France I would be uneasy about having Franck Ribery representing the country when has admitted he did have sex with an underage prostitute... tho he does say he didn't realise she was such... Doh!

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/star-footballer-franck-ribery-caught-in-underage-prostitute-scandal-20100420-spu4.html

I know NZ has had people represent it at both Olympics and Commonwealth games while awaiting trial for various things but where is the line for most people as to what you will overlook

Look up Seb Ryall... just saying.

just wiki'd him and said he was stood down last year for a while but didn't say if he still plays... not that it matters (or should) but he was 19 with a 13yr old. Ribery is 27 with an under 15 yr old but to me its made worse by the fact he has daughters himself

Seb Ryall still plays, played against the Phoenix last month.

ok... but what I'm asking is should someone reprehensible be allowed to represent a country... even if that country isn't totally financing the team it's still not a business so surely the general population's viewpoint shd be taken into account

obviously everyone has a different moral line... but would we want a terrorist, arsonist, rapist, pedophile wearing the silver fern? stealthkiwi2010-04-20 20:04:39

Who decides what's reprehensible?

Whats reprehensible to one person/people/country/culture, may not be in another... I'm not disputing your point that what he did was reprehensible, but where's the line - and who "police's" it? FIFA?... what about other sports?

In NZ other sports have occasionally had their national code association pull an athlete frm being a rep for the country due to charges pending on various things. I know there was a fighter a few years ago who was up on serious assault charges and it was decided he shdn't attend something due to the fact they knew the public wd be outraged but they didn't know how to implement it.

Ribery will go, he's too important.

too important... so again I ask at what age a child wd his importance finally be set aside...

man you guys are awfully quiet on this issue for a normally opinionated forum

It seems the story to me is that he unknowingly slept with a 17 year old girl (he didn't know she was 17, not he didn't know he was sleeping with her) which although is not a great look is not the worst thing in the world anyone has done.  Wait until all the tabloid scare-mongering has calmed down ("EXCLUSIVE - FROGGIE SCUM KEPT HER NAPPIES AS A MEMENTO") and the actual story is reported on, and he becomes a figure of fun more than a figure of hate.

Yeah In the original media reports they didn't mention she was 17 and like most I was unaware that the legal age for a prostitute in France is 18. My curiousness is more about wether there is an act/crime/behavior that shd keep someone from representing a country rather than specifically about Ribery

lol and you forgot to mention Charlie Chaplin

Gary would possibly put a bit of a sparkle into the cup

Oi! Gary! Play the ball. Not the ball boy.

Junior822010-04-22 00:37:45

I think there is an important point here - it wasn't illegal to sleep with her (i.e. she wasn't below the age of consent) but it was illegal to sleep with her as a prostitute.

No worse than that thug Terry still going for England.

There is plenty, but sleeping with a 17 year old hooker isn't one of them.

Have you seen this girl's pictures? No one would say she is under 18 if you were to meet her at the bar/disco. I'm not trying to defend him, but the 'only' mistake he has made (supposedly with 2 more team mates - S.Govou and K.Benzema) was having sex with a prostitute.

stealthkiwi2010-04-23 09:25:40

If someone commits a crime serious enough of severe punishment, they tend to go to prison, meaning that they cannot play professional football during that period.  When they come out of prison they are deemed to have served their sentance to society so there is no reason why they should not be able to play professional football again.

Frankie I agree with that for club sides - he's done his time etc and no-one should be prevented from earning a living.  But national team representation is a bit different as you are to an extent representing your country, to take an extreme case, what if someone was a paedophile?  WOuld you want them playing for NZ?

Three boys in the French national team. . . well you can count out ROI involvement since it occurred before the handball incident. Two of them could be in real trouble. But that harlot sure gets about and sees footballers as easy targets.

This idea of morality within sports came up when Soulan Pownceby went to the Olympics and Commonwealth Games in boxing. He was convicted of Manslaughter, killing his daughter 10 years earlier and had other domestic abuse convictions years later.

Another issue, I also feel that Professional Athletes get off too easy within the court systems. Rugby League players, Rugby players in this country seem to get lesser charges and the associations running the sport seem to just have a cover up and act if it never happened policy.

"Harlot" are you from the middle ages. You have zero idea what drives a 17yr old to prostitution. And even if she wasn't one then only hypocrites badmouth woman with names like harlot, slut, whore, floozy, hussy - bet you call guys who get loads of sex lucky bastards
stealthkiwi2010-04-24 18:04:09

Nearly fell off my chair-- my wife has said that so many times.

Ok, so using your logic - do you know what goes on in Ribery's life at the moment? Maybe their marriage was in pieces already, separation, whatever?Maybe it only exists on paper. Maybe his wife is with him only for the money, and he does have enough of that? We shouldn't judge from one point of view only. And sleeping with prostitute is not illegal in France.

Cheating on partners is everywhere these days unfortunately - just look around. If we were to judge by that - and we would know all the secrets people have - we would have to ban lots of, I would imagine about half, people we know around us. That's the sad truth about our civilisation.

I'm not gonna defend Ribery's behaviour, sleeping with prostitutes is nothing to be proud of in any situation - but I think it is his private life, and we should separate it from football. Just my opinion though, we can all have one.

Got your point, but hope you got mine as well. In this case, it's a matter of perspective in my opinion.

Would drop it now, this could go for ages with different people having different views.

Well gee of course. I won't start anymore threads now except where I already know everyone has the same view. Funnily enough I thought the idea of a forum was people having their say about the things that interested them and where they didn't get told what to do...

You seen the photos of her?  She don't look 17.

yep we've already covered that earlier. loads of under 20's look way too old these days. once it was announced that underage meant under 18 this thread developed more into wether anyone has a line in the sand that national sportsman shdn't cross

I am not a hypocrite, I don't sleep about and guys can be harots as well and I call them the same because I can. Deal with it. [btw harlot word actually derives from old french term meaning "young man, knave, vagabond"]

No offense intend, I just call it as I see it. I call adulterers, adulterers, fornicators, fornicators, bastards, bastards. Damn it, what's wrong with me being a certificated w**ker? Just because I am a w**ker, you can't accepted me using the word harlot? Deal with it. I am not asking you out on a date either. Deal with that also.

But you are right that I have no real idea what drove her to that way of life, but she still gets about and sees footballers as a goldfield.. In her line of work, she would be mad not to take advantage of a quick and easy sizable money gain.

Btw I don't call guys "sex lucky bastards" I mainly call them "diseased infected dorks". I call them "bastards with a penis for a brain" as well. For that you lost that bet and you owe me. PM me if you want to follow up on that bet. Frankly I don't give a toss on this occasion. Deal with it. . . .AllWhitebelievr2010-04-30 01:48:58

I think you have now officially lost it

stealthkiwi2010-04-30 09:31:54

 this thread got strange

So what if I come from the middle ages? Deal with it

I have you know that plenty of girls like dating Neanderthal pricks like me. Deal with it.

I have no issues with sex. Deal with it.

It's not that people with lots of sex are disease infected, it's those risk takers that bounce around so much that they can't be bothered to use safe practice because "it clamps their style." Sticking to one partner is not a problem. You can have as much sex as you want. I will still call guys diseased infected dorks because it's funny and I'm a w**ker. So deal with it.

Repressed or desperate?? lol, are tell me something about yourself??

This hardly the place to continue any more dirty talk because it's moving away from the thread topic. If you like, you can continue this debate on the PM system but I am right and you are not. I'm sure we can work out your problems with w**kers if you like. I don't want you to be repressed or desperate. . .

Now back on track . . . I read in the latest news that this girl pick and chooses her clientle and had more than several footballers not just the three main stars. Her family doesn't know until now and her and her family just became french nationals in 2009. She came clean after fears of losing her nationality status by the police.

. . . all she wanted is save money to buy a beauty parlour. I see she has taken this fast money track.

Click here for the latest news article . . .

yep, strange indeed

where's Sigmund (Freud, not Ben) when you need him

Hmm, did I say anything about not starting threads like that? Did I say anything about the way anyone should use the forum? Don't think so. Why do you pick one phrase and try to build your answer on that?
I have agreed we can have different views on that subject, but didn't think one of us can convince other to his point of view, that's why I have said I will drop it.