Roy Krishna (Odisha FC | India)

I'd assume/hope that they've been in negotiation for a while. 

The US window hasn't even opened yet, it could be that there is still negotiation that's ongoing between the Phoenix and Colorado but that the Phoenix have rebutted the latest offer.

one word, DOME

Are you even reading what is being written?  Krishna has an auto renewal.  He and his agent are fudgeing with the Phoenix even though there has been no actual offer for him so he doesn't activate the renewal and makes idiots believe it's the club at fault.

The club have made it clear they have been discussing a new deal with him for a while now and you idiots are siding with the mercenary prick and his agents feeding half-truths and lies to shark tabloid media like the Herald?

Colorado have made no offer to the Wellington Phoenix.

Get a grip.

this time im with you...doesnt seem to be a lot of winning friends and influencing people happening here...

Is there any evidence that there is an extension clause?

Most nix players seem to have one, so I’m inclined to believe there is. 

The clauses inserted thus far do not fill me with confidence

each time they have been to the players advantage and not the clubs

sad way for roy to end his career here if it goes tits up for him...doesnt sound like the colorad fans are specially excited and we on the other hand are specially unhappy with the thought weve maybe seen the last of a favourite

Even Watson had one.

Sanity Clause? 

I hope Krishna gets the chance to go to Colorado. Potentially doubling his salary at a critical time in his career. Even though I'd be sad to see him go as a Nix fan, I would rather see guys succeeding than being held back. 

Football clubs often show little faith and loyalty in players these days (which I can understand as the business is about winning) but as soon as the roles are reversed and the player wants the leave for a better opportunity everybody gets so worked up. If you were in Krishna's shoes and had the opportunity to significantly increase your salary and move to a better club you'd probably take it as well.

I'm torn. Love the guy, want him to be on big coin and see him get to the highest possible level for him. But at the same time he's a fan favourite, and without him we look toothless. Without Roy and Dura we don't really have an identity. No Brown, Siggy, Moss, Ifilll, Bertos, Brockie - Those guys were the club, and Krishna is defintiely now in that same mould. Gutting for the club if we have no one like that next season

That suddenly makes me feel incredibly sad really

Interesting that McGlinchey doesn't ever have engaged in this way.  A bit of a shame.

I think part of this is a consequence of the FFA idiocy around not breaking for international windows and at the same time the foolish decision by the Phoenix to avoid NZ players because of it.

I'm not sure who we'd see here but it doesn't feel like any players to build that spirit around.

It must also be said that he's been the model professional since arriving at the club. Hard working, humble, keeping away from the spotlight.  At the end of the day, this is business and both players and coaches sometimes exploit their bargaining position to further their own interest. Sad if he goes, but I'd be very happy for him.

Unless you are a big name player, your salary isn't gonna be massive. The salary he would get offered is one we probably could match.

Hard to say when considering the salary cap is a lot higher in the USA and therefore there's a lot more room to negotiate up for a player. 

I'm calling BS on this whole thing too

1. As stated above by Baiter

2. Colorado are already over their foreign player quota and would have to move 2 foreigners on after signing Danny Wilson from Hearts

3. Krishna is 30 an has never played higher than A-League

4. The story originated in New Zealand (and has since been reported in the US, but with NZ paper sources quoted)

It's all so frikkin convenient really isn't it?!

Yeah but we specifically show heaps of loyalty to players.  Sure there is upside for him maybe in salary but we could also give him a gig until he's 35 or older where the US is physically much more demanding with all of the travel

Rapids had 5 players over 300k last season, unless they are going to make thim one of their top earners I think we could manage to find 400k NZ to match the salary.

Nail. Head.

Which only falls down if he's asking for $750k...

So he is faking a injury so as not to trigger a extension ?. Is he going to keep it up for the rest of the season ?

This talk of an automatic extension for Krishna is pure speculation and should be qualified as such.

For the 'Nix every away game (and some home games even) are an international flight of at least 3 hours. Getting to CCM and Jets is normally a bus ride on top of that, Adelaide (Perth too?) is a connecting internal flight. Remember, the distance between Perth and Wellington is at times the largest in domestic football. Flights to the Western based MLS teams are less than 3hours and flights to the Eastern seaboard and Miami are about 3hr30 to 3hr40. I don't think travel is any more demanding, possibly less, than what he currently experiences.

But its ok for clubs to just offload players when they feel like it? 

http://www.espnfc.com/spanish-primera-division/15/...

I like what people have said about the Rapids being over their foreign quote etc - I wasn't aware and it suddenly feels like it could just be Roy's agent trying to move him around so as to make some more $ out of him.

Don't understand what the fuss is all about Roy's alleged breaking of contract.  Not sure what the terms of this (again) alleged extension are, but if it existed and was easily triggered by the club, they would have done so already, don't you think?

The way I see it, were he to leave he would not break any contract. He'd either commend a transfer fee or leave as a free agent.

Smart manager.

Contract coming up so he creates a story (which may or may not be based on much fact) that he knows will generate media/exposure here, and therefore across the ditch - making every HAL club aware that Roy's contract is expiring soon.

Without openly touting him (that we're aware), he's signalling his potential availability to his most likely market. This may open realistic opportunities if he wants them... also, he may not be interested in leaving Wellington at all (hopefully); but he is interested in maximising what will be his last "big" playing contract - and wringing every last spare cent out of Welnix.

I'd be upset if my manager/s didn't do similar.

...and if it's automatic based on appearances or game time rather than triggered by either party much like a number of off-season renewals with the Phoenix from last season?

...and if miraculously an uninjured player is suddenly 'injured' in the week(s) before any extension might be triggered?

Both are conjecture but there are plenty of rumours bouncing around in Wellington circles, much like numbers approaching a million dollars being demanded.  Note none of this makes the Herald's detailed investigation (aka a phone call from Rex Dawkins - It's just like it's still the Terry Maddaford era).

Or, what about clubs not playing players so they don't automatically extend contracts?

I don't mean to be picky Bullion but you're thrown the Spanish link and now this.  How are they remotely relevant to Roy Krishna which is what this thread is about?

If you want a general discussion about snake agents, corrupt clubs and/or delusional players feel free to start one but let's try and keep posts here vaguely relevant to the situation actually involving the Phoenix and one of their players.

KTHXBI.

Just keen to point out the double standard when people are ready to blame Krishna for acting in his best interests, but when a club does the same we are totally ok with that.

How do Watson, Abbas etc. feel? After being dropped from the first team Abbas saw no game time until the week before his contract was terminated. Clubs can put players in difficult situations, their careers are short and can be pressured into making decisions more beneficial for the club than the player.

Its been a mutually beneficial relationship between the 'Nix and Krishna, the 'Nix have benefited from good performances from Krishna (whom I imagine has not been expensive for the entirety of his stay at the club) and Krishna has benefited from the 'Nix via remuneration and exposure. Both will try to act in their best interests, I don't want people to villify Krishna based on rumour and innuendo.

Yet people were happy to jump on the club based on an article that appears to be factually incorrect. 

Not sure I recall people defending their position then and saying they were being vilified based on rumour and innuendo.

Abbas and Watson does seem off topic but they left 'mutually'.  The club got what they needed and the player got money and I suspect in Abbas' case a chance to find a state league gig in Aus for the winter which will let him play and get paid pretty well as an ex-A-League player at NSWPL level.  

For all we know both he and Watson may have pocketed their full contract values but left with a chance to earn while still getting every cent owed to them. Yes it's unlikely but we don't know.

With less than 6 months on his contract I'm sure that he can openly negotiate with other clubs, does not have to be so covert.

So the only reason for this drama would be manipulation of the Phoenix?  If he can negotiate with anyone why would this need to be in the press when Wellington have already announced they are talking to him about a new deal.

Yes, they left 'mutally' but that is basically the club saying you're fired, you're not going to play a game until your contract runs out and good luck to getting a decent contract after not playing for, in Watson's case, some seasons. The players could do a Winston Bogarde (or perhaps what Ryan Lowry might do).

But clearly they sign on knowing there are 11 starting spots and 22 players in the squad. They came in as squad players, fought for a spot, got occasional minutes, then the club and player mutually decided to terminate the contract early. 

I don’t see how any of this is remotely relevant to the Krishna situation. 

For what it's worth, Mauricio Pochettino recently said that pro players are paid to train, not play

I don’t see how any of this is remotely relevant to the Krishna situation. 

Either Reg messed up his quotes there or he and Tegal are the same person and if they are one of them is wearing one hell of a disguise.