Am watching the Ger vs Srb match where there have been a few yellow cards and one red so far...
if you're red carded in a WC game how does it affect the players games in the rest of the cup?
and if you get one yellow then does it carry through so if you get a 2nd in the next game you get a red?
and what match so far has had the most yellows?
stealthkiwi2010-06-21 17:35:57
if you're red carded in a WC game how does it affect the players games in the rest of the cup?
and if you get one yellow then does it carry through so if you get a 2nd in the next game you get a red?
and what match so far has had the most yellows?
stealthkiwi2010-06-21 17:35:57
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I think a two-yellow send off means you miss one match. A straight red goes to some kind of panel to decide whether it'll be a one or two game suspension.
I would hazard a guess and say this Ger v Serb game is already the leader in terms of cards.
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and if you get one yellow then does it carry through so if you get a 2nd in the next game you get a red?
It doesn't mean you automatically get a red but it does mean that you get a one-match suspension, starting the next game. The yellow card counter for each player is reset to zero between the group games and the stage two games.
After the last world cup Sepp Blatter wanted to change it from two yellows = one match to three yellows = one match, which I think would have been the way to go... but they haven't ended up changing it for this tournament. Different tournaments have different yellow card thresolds for this rule.
It is a bit ridiculous that Winston Reid could end up missing a match because he took off his shirt.
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so any germans who got yellow carded in the match just finished if they play in the next match and get another yellow then they might not be able to play in the quarterfinal if germany qualifies?
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I don't think bookings carry over to the knockout stages.
Three for me, and two for them.
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thanks Buffy and yes you do love football and know heaps about it 
I have another question (prob a blonde one) but anyway how were the groups picked/allocated? were they decided by what federation they qualafied through - I wondered cause earlier noticed there was absolutely no way Sth korea cd play Nth korea unless they both got to the final so thought maybe they were put as far away as poss frm one another
I have another question (prob a blonde one) but anyway how were the groups picked/allocated? were they decided by what federation they qualafied through - I wondered cause earlier noticed there was absolutely no way Sth korea cd play Nth korea unless they both got to the final so thought maybe they were put as far away as poss frm one another
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Yeah groups were done on region. Except for the top 8 which were the seeds for each group (SA only got seeded as hosts). It's done so that no more than two countries from Europe and no more than one country from all other regions can be in the same group together.
No worries, hope that's clear to you at 2am in the morning haha.
No worries, hope that's clear to you at 2am in the morning haha.
Three for me, and two for them.
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Re yellow cards:The slate is wiped clean going into the semis to avoid players missing the final.
This i believe is the case.
What has happened to the quote function?
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What has happened to the quote function?
hosting gremlins want us to give the site some time to sleep so have been playing up
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Another beginner question - I was looking at the points so far and only Argentina has a whole 6 points but even in their group with one game left there cd end up being 3x teams with six points if by chance Greece beats Argentina and Korea Rep beats Nigeria... so how do they then decide who goes through?
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What was the blue sticker on Bastien Schweinsteiger's neck?
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& on that note what was all the skin coloured tape all over Winston Reid's shldr for?
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What was the blue sticker on Bastien Schweinsteiger's neck?
I think that might have been some sort of tracking - a few of the players had it.
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& on that note what was all the skin coloured tape all over Winston Reid's shldr for?
Strapping for a dodgy shoulder.
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ignoring that many on here are anti-aussie and prob happy about Kewell's red card can someone explain the handball rule to me... if the ball hits another part of your body and rolls on to some part of your arm is that still a handball??
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An interesting question.
news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/rules_and_equipment/4524354.stm
This should help.
news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/rules_and_equipment/4524354.stm
This should help.
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ignoring that many on here are anti-aussie and prob happy about Kewell's red card can someone explain the handball rule to me... if the ball hits another part of your body and rolls on to some part of your arm is that still a handball??
All depends on the referee's interpretation of any given incident, just like any handball situation really.
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I was surprised Kewell got a red card as thought since he didn't actualy swing his hand/arm at the ball (looked like it more got in the way) that it wd just be a penalty kick
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You don't need to swing the arm or hand to the ball for it to be handball - he clearly extended his arm towards the ball to make himself a bit bigger, and got struck on the upper arm. That's handball.
And illegally preventing a goal is always an automatic dismissal.
And illegally preventing a goal is always an automatic dismissal.
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Re yellow cards:The slate is wiped clean going into the semis to avoid players missing the final.
This is indeed the case this tournament, which is different from the previous tournaments (slate wiped clean after group stage).
This i believe is the case.
What has happened to the quote function?
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Can't for the life of me see why they don't have a rolling approach (2 or 3 match rolling window for yellows to accumulate). Given the incredibly light reasons for yellow cards in many cases (especially Germany v Serbia & Winston Reid), suspensions for yellows in consecutive matches would not be unduly light-handed. Maybe three matches would be about right.
I know, I know, its serious!
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I noticed that the final round before the knockout stage, they have the 2 games from a group starting play at the same day and time.
eg. Mexico v Uruguay 1:45am SS1 Wed 23rd and
South Africa v France 1:45am SS2 Wed 23rd
Exception is our last game with Paraguay which starts 15 minutes before Slovakia and Italy kickoff on the same day.
Is this normal for the final round of group play? I don't remember this happening in 2006 (my memory is sketchy though)
eg. Mexico v Uruguay 1:45am SS1 Wed 23rd and
South Africa v France 1:45am SS2 Wed 23rd
Exception is our last game with Paraguay which starts 15 minutes before Slovakia and Italy kickoff on the same day.
Is this normal for the final round of group play? I don't remember this happening in 2006 (my memory is sketchy though)
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Has been for a while (cue EG with an exact date). The idea of two games at the same time is that it stops the chances of colusion between sides to get results that fit them both going through, based on what happened in the earlier match.
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I noticed that the final round before the knockout stage, they have the 2 games from a group starting play at the same day and time.
eg. Mexico v Uruguay 1:45am SS1 Wed 23rd and
South Africa v France 1:45am SS2 Wed 23rd
Exception is our last game with Paraguay which starts 15 minutes before Slovakia and Italy kickoff on the same day.
Is this normal for the final round of group play? I don't remember this happening in 2006 (my memory is sketchy though)
eg. Mexico v Uruguay 1:45am SS1 Wed 23rd and
South Africa v France 1:45am SS2 Wed 23rd
Exception is our last game with Paraguay which starts 15 minutes before Slovakia and Italy kickoff on the same day.
Is this normal for the final round of group play? I don't remember this happening in 2006 (my memory is sketchy though)
All games kick off at the same time. Build up for our game may start earlier, but we will kick off at exactly the same time as Slovakia-Italy.
Three for me, and two for them.
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Re yellow cards:The slate is wiped clean going into the semis to avoid players missing the final.
This is indeed the case this tournament, which is different from the previous tournaments (slate wiped clean after group stage).
This i believe is the case.
What has happened to the quote function?
Can't for the life of me see why they don't have a rolling approach (2 or 3 match rolling window for yellows to accumulate). Given the incredibly light reasons for yellow cards in many cases (especially Germany v Serbia & Winston Reid), suspensions for yellows in consecutive matches would not be unduly light-handed. Maybe three matches would be about right.
looks like I got it wrong in my earlier reply. So are you saying that the yellow card counter is only reset once, between the quarter finals and semis? i.e. if a player was booked in the first group match and again in the quarter final, they would therefore miss the semi due to their suspension?
or is it now reset twice, both at the end of the group stage and between quarters and semis?
EDIT - or is it that you only ever get a suspension for yellows in two consecutive matches? confusing
monkeyfish2010-06-20 17:44:06
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lol maybe I shd rename the thread to how confused is everyone including novices about the carding system...
another question for you smart people - how are the refs picked? are they only from countries selected in this WC or from all over? &will there ever be a female ref at the world cup? truthfully I don't know much about female refs in top football or wether they even exist (or shd say are allowed to exist)
another question for you smart people - how are the refs picked? are they only from countries selected in this WC or from all over? &will there ever be a female ref at the world cup? truthfully I don't know much about female refs in top football or wether they even exist (or shd say are allowed to exist)
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lol maybe I shd rename the thread to how confused is everyone including novices about the carding system...another question for you smart people - how are the refs picked? are they only from countries selected in this WC or from all over? &will there ever be a female ref at the world cup? truthfully I don't know much about female refs in top football or wether they even exist (or shd say are allowed to exist)
From all over. I'm sure we will see female refs at some point (probably AR's first). They are starting to come through more and more, but its a fairly recent thing. There is a young Aussie/Korean girl (Sarah Ho) that runs the line in the A-League, and IMO is one of the better ARs in the league.
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I noticed that the final round before the knockout stage, they have the 2 games from a group starting play at the same day and time.
eg. Mexico v Uruguay 1:45am SS1 Wed 23rd and
South Africa v France 1:45am SS2 Wed 23rd
Exception is our last game with Paraguay which starts 15 minutes before Slovakia and Italy kickoff on the same day.
Is this normal for the final round of group play? I don't remember this happening in 2006 (my memory is sketchy though)
All games kick off at the same time. Build up for our game may start earlier, but we will kick off at exactly the same time as Slovakia-Italy.
eg. Mexico v Uruguay 1:45am SS1 Wed 23rd and
South Africa v France 1:45am SS2 Wed 23rd
Exception is our last game with Paraguay which starts 15 minutes before Slovakia and Italy kickoff on the same day.
Is this normal for the final round of group play? I don't remember this happening in 2006 (my memory is sketchy though)
yes i should have thought of the 15 minute pre-game stuff. cheers all makes perfect sense now.
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Re yellow cards:The slate is wiped clean going into the semis to avoid players missing the final.
This is indeed the case this tournament, which is different from the previous tournaments (slate wiped clean after group stage).
This i believe is the case.
What has happened to the quote function?
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Can't for the life of me see why they don't have a rolling approach (2 or 3 match rolling window for yellows to accumulate). Given the incredibly light reasons for yellow cards in many cases (especially Germany v Serbia & Winston Reid), suspensions for yellows in consecutive matches would not be unduly light-handed. Maybe three matches would be about right.
Indeed. Only single yellows are dropped after QFs. That is, a yellow in first match then in QF would result in SF suspension. Harsh, but true (and I have a feeling it will come back and bite many on the bum). Here is a source (ESPNstar.com - quoting FIFA) that appears reliable. The concept of yellows in consecutive matches or within the spoace of three matches was merely an alternative that I was proposing as more reasonable.
Hope that helps.
I'm pretty sure a lot of the more Football/World Cup literate of us didn't realise the way yellow card accumulation and suspensions work for this comp.Turfmoore2010-06-20 18:04:12
I know, I know, its serious!
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okay, thanks for the clarification.
It does indeed seem like a ridiculous change - they are selling it like it is for the player's benefit so they don't miss the final, but the overall risk of getting a two-yellow suspension goes up dramatically - instead of having to survive 3 matches without getting two yellows they potentially have to survive 5.
Oh well, let's just hope Reid and Lochhead don't get booked tonight.
It does indeed seem like a ridiculous change - they are selling it like it is for the player's benefit so they don't miss the final, but the overall risk of getting a two-yellow suspension goes up dramatically - instead of having to survive 3 matches without getting two yellows they potentially have to survive 5.
Oh well, let's just hope Reid and Lochhead don't get booked tonight.
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Has been for a while (cue EG with an exact date).� The idea of two games at the same time is that it stops the chances of colusion between sides to get results that fit them both going through, based on what happened in the earlier match.
1986 World Cup in Mexico.
In 1982 West Germany and Austria 'colluded' to produce the result that put both of them through at the expense of Algeria. Hugely controversial game at the time, Algeria appealed to FIFA, FIFA allowed the result to stand, but changed the regulations for the following tournament to ensure as far as possible that a similar situation doesn't happen again.
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Watching last night's epic kiwi draw I was wondering - what do the refs do at half time? our one seemed really pissed prior but seemed to come back in a better mood and to my eye didn't seem to be such a walkover for the italian theatricals...
do refs get spoken to by fifa officials at half time? if someone higher up than them thinks they are doing a suckass job do they get a talking to or are they totally autonomous the entire game
do refs get spoken to by fifa officials at half time? if someone higher up than them thinks they are doing a suckass job do they get a talking to or are they totally autonomous the entire game
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LOL keep coming with the questions stealthkiwi. Loving this thread and the information resulting.
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at halftime he got his paycheque from italy. it was more than he expected - hence the good mood
Allegedly
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Re yellow cards:The slate is wiped clean going into the semis to avoid players missing the final.
This is indeed the case this tournament, which is different from the previous tournaments (slate wiped clean after group stage). This i believe is the case.
What has happened to the quote function?
Can't for the life of me see why they don't have a rolling approach (2 or 3 match rolling window for yellows to accumulate). Given the incredibly light reasons for yellow cards in many cases (especially Germany v Serbia & Winston Reid), suspensions for yellows in consecutive matches would not be unduly light-handed. Maybe three matches would be about right.
Indeed. Only single yellows are dropped after QFs. That is, a yellow in first match then in QF would result in SF suspension. Harsh, but true (and I have a feeling it will come back and bite many on the bum). Here is a source (ESPNstar.com - quoting FIFA) that appears reliable. The concept of yellows in consecutive matches or within the spoace of three matches was merely an alternative that I was proposing as more reasonable.
Hope that helps.
I'm pretty sure a lot of the more Football/World Cup literate of us didn't realise the way yellow card accumulation and suspensions work for this comp.
When you say previous tournaments had the slate wiped clean after the group stage, don't forget that in itself was only introduced in 1994 - so we only had 4 world cups with that system. Before that, you had to go through the entire tournament knowing a second yellow got you a suspension.
I like that they are making sure the Final doesn't suffer from suspended players more than necessary. In that respect, this is a good move. On the other hand, I think the rolling approach is a brilliant suggestion.
SiNZ2010-06-22 10:29:24
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Has been for a while (cue EG with an exact date). The idea of two games at the same time is that it stops the chances of colusion between sides to get results that fit them both going through, based on what happened in the earlier match.
1986 World Cup in Mexico.
In 1982 West Germany and Austria 'colluded' to produce the result that put both of them through at the expense of Algeria. Hugely controversial game at the time, Algeria appealed to FIFA, FIFA allowed the result to stand, but changed the regulations for the following tournament to ensure as far as possible that a similar situation doesn't happen again.
I was in Spain in 1982 for the WC and remember watching that game in a bar. One of the most disgraceful, blatant displays of 'cheating' that I've ever witnessed. It was horrendous, both teams didn't even have the decency to pretend that they weren't fixing the result.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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That was so sad for Algeria, who beat the West Germans earlier in the tournament in one of the bigger shocks in WC history.
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Watching last night's epic kiwi draw I was wondering - what do the refs do at half time? our one seemed really pissed prior but seemed to come back in a better mood and to my eye didn't seem to be such a walkover for the italian theatricals...
do refs get spoken to by fifa officials at half time? if someone higher up than them thinks they are doing a suckass job do they get a talking to or are they totally autonomous the entire game
do refs get spoken to by fifa officials at half time? if someone higher up than them thinks they are doing a suckass job do they get a talking to or are they totally autonomous the entire game
The refereeing team Ref, 1st A/R, 2nd A/R, 4th Official and Reserve A/R would be autonomous for the duration of the match. The only other person to join them during half time is likely to be a referee's team physio, for treatment if any are feeling tight or such.
The analysis of the match is done in the cold, harsh light of day well after the event.
I've been fortunate to be getting emailed a copy of Mike Hesters fairly frequent updates. The official match review of the Greece v Korea game he officiated was done 2 days after the game. On which he commented:
Secondly, and more importantly, the debriefing of matches. My penalty area incident was second cab off the rank so I had to get up and talk about what I saw on the field and then what I now feel after viewing the various angles. I remained unconvinced it was a foul and therefore a penalty and said so. After some discussion amongst the leadership and other referees, there still seemed to be some indecision about what it was was (a typical example where video technology would be ineffectual). Eventually, it was determined that this should have been a penalty and a red card, although everyone recognised it as a tough decision. I was a little disappointed but that is life at the top.
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
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On the basis of that, I wonder if that's finished Mike's involvement in the tournament then?
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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