Ben Waine (Plymouth Argyle | England)

siac

It's interesting as I've heard several people over recent years say Melbourne City are as good as a Championship team, and that the rest of the A-League is about League One. If Waine - who often looked better than most in the A-League, can't even make the bench (let alone get minutes), it might indicate City is more like League One level and rest of A-League is more like League Two level.

i think thats about right.

the top of the a-league is not anywhere near championship level or even the top of league one where the standard is much higher and the games are much quicker

like ryan said that ifill said, the typical a-league squad drops away pretty quickly. i would add that it also drops away pretty quickly in the first choice XI.

I can only assume Ifill was talking about himself being championship standard - which he was as he was one of the very few in the a league from there who made the move in the terry money era

He is/was a big Broich fan.

He's arrived mid-way through a season into a completely different environment, at a club that didn't sign him to be an immediate starter - other side of the world, adjustment etc etc.  Give the lad a chance!  If 18 months from now he's still not making match day squads then fair enough, but for now just grasp the fact that these things do take a little time.   Other than Ryan Nelsen, not too many Kiwis have instantly hit the ground running in top pro ranks (people forget how ropey Reid was in his first few months at West Ham until he found his feet).

Plymouth strike me as a well run outfit - no way their research and scouting efforts have come up that short that quickly.  It took Chris Wood time to find his feet - Waine possibly in the same boat...

Or yeh, maybe he is total rubbish, not up to it and will crawl back to the A-League - reading some of this thread that seems to be inevitable/his only option...

Khalil Media

He's arrived mid-way through a season into a completely different environment, at a club that didn't sign him to be an immediate starter - other side of the world, adjustment etc etc.  Give the lad a chance!  If 18 months from now he's still not making match day squads then fair enough, but for now just grasp the fact that these things do take a little time.   Other than Ryan Nelsen, not too many Kiwis have instantly hit the ground running in top pro ranks (people forget how ropey Reid was in his first few months at West Ham until he found his feet).

Plymouth strike me as a well run outfit - no way their research and scouting efforts have come up that short that quickly.  It took Chris Wood time to find his feet - Waine possibly in the same boat...

Or yeh, maybe he is total rubbish, not up to it and will crawl back to the A-League - reading some of this thread that seems to be inevitable/his only option...

Yeah, took Wood years to find his scoring abilities and Reid needed a season in the championship to really kick on (was actually lucky West Ham got relegated because he looked massively out of place in the EPL). The kid will push on, whether here or at another team.

reg22

siac

It's interesting as I've heard several people over recent years say Melbourne City are as good as a Championship team, and that the rest of the A-League is about League One. If Waine - who often looked better than most in the A-League, can't even make the bench (let alone get minutes), it might indicate City is more like League One level and rest of A-League is more like League Two level.

i think thats about right.

the top of the a-league is not anywhere near championship level or even the top of league one where the standard is much higher and the games are much quicker

like ryan said that ifill said, the typical a-league squad drops away pretty quickly. i would add that it also drops away pretty quickly in the first choice XI.

Melbourne City would give bottom of Championship teams a run for their money. No other A-league team would though. 

A-league standard is League one/two equivalent. From someone who has spent a lot of time watching lower-league UK and A-league football.

Waine a 74th min (1-0) sub as Plymouth get touched up 3-0 at Barnsley. Fellow AW Jamie Searle an unused sub for Barnsley.

Plymouth still 2nd, but now only 2 points ahead of Ipswich Town (3rd).

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/03/11/england/league-one/barnsley-fc/plymouth-argyle-fc/3810054/

Plymouth (2nd) host the vegetarians of Forest Green Rovers (24th & last)

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/03/18/england/league-one/plymouth-argyle-fc/forest-green-rovers-fc/3810074/

Subbed on at 70 mins (2-0) in a 2-0 win

Plymouth (2nd) travel to Accrington Stanley (21st)

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/03/21/england/league-one/accrington-stanley-fc/plymouth-argyle-fc/3809934/

siac

It's interesting as I've heard several people over recent years say Melbourne City are as good as a Championship team, and that the rest of the A-League is about League One. If Waine - who often looked better than most in the A-League, can't even make the bench (let alone get minutes), it might indicate City is more like League One level and rest of A-League is more like League Two level.

Having watched all three leagues loads, your not far off there.  Current Nix squad would be trying to avoid relagation from League One from what of seen of both the A League and League One this year.

On another note off to Wembley for the Pizza final (have got a B.Wayne Argyle shirt made for the game) and at the Oxford game the other day I wore my Nix shirt and scarf (same colours as Oxford!), Ben saw them and gave me a wave!  Top lad, his face literally lit up when he saw the Nix scarf.

Hilarious if you have a B.Wayne Argyle shirt made for the game.

That definitely will be limited edition stuff!

coochiee

Hilarious if you have a B.Wayne Argyle shirt made for the game.

That definitely will be limited edition stuff!

 just hope it's a better outcome then the last time we played at Wembley!

Waine not in match day squad for trip to Accrington Stanley.

Ends up finishing 2-0 to Argyle. They go back to the top of the table and stay there for now with Searle's Barnsley beating Sheffield. Barnsley and Sheffield however have 2 and 3 games in hand respectively before Argyle's next L1 game on the 8th of April.

Going to have to wait till the 3rd of April for the EFL Trophy final and hopefully Waine's big chance.

EFL Trophy final at Wembley tonight. Plymouth (2nd in League One) verus Bolton (5th).

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/04/02/england/football-league-trophy/bolton-wanderers-football-club/plymouth-argyle-fc/4043612/

Presumbly sitting up in the stands, but not in the match day squad as Plymouth get trounced on their big day out 4-0.

Focus switches back to the Promotion scrap. 6 rounds left.
Handy experience I guess if Plymouth (2nd) return to Wembley for a Promotion Playoff later this season.

Plymouth (2nd) travel to Morecambe (22nd/3rd last)

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/04/07/england/league-one/morecambe-fc/plymouth-argyle-fc/3810111/

Waine on the bench.

Waine's first League One goal!!!!!!
Argyle lead 2-1.

Ends up finishing 3-1.

Wusty Wab

Waine's first League One goal!!!!!!
Argyle lead 2-1.

Ends up finishing 3-1.

86th minute goal as well. Plymouth back into first!

He's the toast of the City tonight.

Wainnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeee.

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Plymouth (83 pts) yes top of the league, but it's tight. Ipswich Town (81 pts) who are on this great winning run now into 2nd on GD from Wednesday (who drew, 81 pts)

Waine on in 56th min (1-0 Morecambe) & scored at 86 mins.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/131725211/ben-waine-scores-with-his-family-in-the-stands-to-send-plymouth-argyle-top

cc @Te_Papa

Waineo's first league goal for @Argyle https://t.co/tae74npOEW

— New Zealand Football (@NZ_Football) April 7, 2023

Just seen the goal, decent finish. But how many away fans did Plymouth take up there? Had to double check it wasn't a home game for them. Incredible support.

Got a video link? 

JasperNix

Got a video link? 

https://youtu.be/-Y0BTie2UZs

Plymouth (1st) host Lincoln City (14th)

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/04/10/england/league-one/plymouth-argyle-fc/lincoln-city-fc/3810121/

No goal this time but on as a early sub at 52 mins (0-2) in an upset 0-2 loss.

Plymouth drop to 2nd, 1 pt behind Sheffield Wednesday, but Pilgrims with a game in hand.

Plymouth (2nd, 83 pts) travel to Exeter City (12th). Has the feeling from afar of a big game.

Only 2 points separate Sheffield Wednesday (1st, 84 pts), Plymouth & Ipswich (82 pts) with 6 rounds left. Wednesday only have 5 games left. Two will get automatically promoted, one into the promotion playoff lottery. 

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/04/15/england/league-one/exeter-city-fc/plymouth-argyle-fc/3810130/

0-0 at HT. Waine not in match day squad.

coochiee

0-0 at HT. Waine not in match day squad.

Injured apparently, going off a few of comments on social media. Not sure how bad, but will have a dig and see what I can find.

Game finished 1-0 to Plymouth. Wednesday lost so Pilgrims go top.
Ipswich into 2nd after a 6-0 thrashing of Charlton.

Plymouth (1st) travel to Shrewsbury Town (10th)

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/04/18/england/league-one/shrewsbury-town-fc/plymouth-argyle-fc/3810149/

Plymouth get up 2-1, with a 96th min winner to stay atop the league! Not the first game they have won late on, recently. No Waine in match day squad.

Ipswich & Sheffield Wednesday (have played one game more) both also won, so Plymouth needed the victory to stay top.

It's tight for those promotion spots.

You said it.

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Fans saying he's injured, but no one is saying what sort of injury

Flash score is my source of info on results. Doesn’t even make the injured list there 

Oi Oi Edgecumbe

Fans saying he's injured, but no one is saying what sort of injury

Was an ankle injury not too long ago. Part of the reason he missed the cup final v Bolton.

Recurrence or flare up of the same injury perhaps?