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Posted July 07, 2024 08:35 · last edited July 07, 2024 10:56

Marto
If this is true its quite a dissapointing transfer all round. We should have had him tied up years ago. This is a good move for Sutton but not Surman, who I think has far greater potential.

He'll be often unavailble for the AWs, if he doesn't set the MLS on fire you can kiss goodbye to 20% sell on fees, if he does get sold on, most of the coin goes to them, not us, and his first move really should be to Europe. Only Nelsen and S. Elliott have found success in Europe by going MLS first.  

I just hope some UK based club gets wind of this and starts a bidding war.

Sutton ain't near MLS standard. Certainly for someone without a Green Card.
He's a steady ALM level player. Any overseas interest in him, I'm guessing will be around L1/L2 level at best.

NZ's history of players in the MLS ain't huge, so 2 guys (Nelsen & Elliott) going from there to the EPL is a pretty decent record. And coach Neville will know better than most, what Surman needs to do to achieve the same.

As someone else posted given that Talay almost completely bypassed Finn in season 22/23, very hard to get him to extend his contract, when he didn't know if he'd want to stay around or not. There were even rumours of the Nix looking for a 2nd visa CB (alongside Wootton) 12 months ago. The article below from Sept last year.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/132889451/finn-surman-bounces-back-after-finishing-second-wellington-phoenix-season-on-the-outer
Surman arrived in the under-23 camp just after making his second start in a row for the Phoenix in the Australia Cup as English import Scott Wootton’s centre back partner, and with new coach Giancarlo Italiano backtracking on plans to add another import centre back, it is looking like he could start there when the A-League Men season begins in late October.

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Unknown editor edited July 07, 2024 10:56
Marto
If this is true its quite a dissapointing transfer all round. We should have had him tied up years ago. This is a good move for Sutton but not Surman, who I think has far greater potential.

He'll be often unavailble for the AWs, if he doesn't set the MLS on fire you can kiss goodbye to 20% sell on fees, if he does get sold on, most of the coin goes to them, not us, and his first move really should be to Europe. Only Nelsen and S. Elliott have found success in Europe by going MLS first.  

I just hope some UK based club gets wind of this and starts a bidding war.

Sutton ain't near MLS standard. Certainly for someone without a Green Card.
He's a steady ALM level player. Any overseas interest in him, I'm guessing will be around L1/L2 level at best.

NZ's history of players in the MLS ain't huge, so 2 guys (Nelsen & Elliott) going from there to the EPL is a pretty decent record. And coach Neville will know better than most, what Surman needs to do to achieve the same.

As someone else posted given that Talay almost completely bypassed Fin in season 22/23, very hard to get him to extend his contract, when he didn't know if he'd want to stay around or not. There were even rumours of the Nix looking for a 2nd visa CB (alongside Wootton) 12 months ago. The article below from Sept last year.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/132889451/finn-surman-bounces-back-after-finishing-second-wellington-phoenix-season-on-the-outer
Surman arrived in the under-23 camp just after making his second start in a row for the Phoenix in the Australia Cup as English import Scott Wootton’s centre back partner, and with new coach Giancarlo Italiano backtracking on plans to add another import centre back, it is looking like he could start there when the A-League Men season begins in late October.
Unknown editor edited July 07, 2024 10:55
Marto
If this is true its quite a dissapointing transfer all round. We should have had him tied up years ago. This is a good move for Sutton but not Surman, who I think has far greater potential.

He'll be often unavailble for the AWs, if he doesn't set the MLS on fire you can kiss goodbye to 20% sell on fees, if he does get sold on, most of the coin goes to them, not us, and his first move really should be to Europe. Only Nelsen and S. Elliott have found success in Europe by going MLS first.  

I just hope some UK based club gets wind of this and starts a bidding war.

Sutton ain't near MLS standard. Certainly for someone without a Green Card.
He's a steady ALM level player. Any overseas interest in him, I'm guessing will be around L1/L2 level at best.

NZ's history of players in the MLS ain't huge, so 2 guys (Nelsen & Elliott) going from there to the EPL is a pretty decent record. And coach Neville will know better than most, what Surman needs to do to achieve the same.

As someone else posted given that Talay didn't select Fin at all in season 22/23, very hard to get him to extend his contract, when he didn't know if he'd want to stay around or not. There were rumours of the Nix looking for a 2nd visa CB (alongside Wootton) 12 months ago. The article below from Sept last year.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/132889451/finn-surman-bounces-back-after-finishing-second-wellington-phoenix-season-on-the-outer
Surman arrived in the under-23 camp just after making his second start in a row for the Phoenix in the Australia Cup as English import Scott Wootton’s centre back partner, and with new coach Giancarlo Italiano backtracking on plans to add another import centre back, it is looking like he could start there when the A-League Men season begins in late October.
Unknown editor edited July 07, 2024 10:03
Marto
If this is true its quite a dissapointing transfer all round. We should have had him tied up years ago. This is a good move for Sutton but not Surman, who I think has far greater potential.

He'll be often unavailble for the AWs, if he doesn't set the MLS on fire you can kiss goodbye to 20% sell on fees, if he does get sold on, most of the coin goes to them, not us, and his first move really should be to Europe. Only Nelsen and S. Elliott have found success in Europe by going MLS first.  

I just hope some UK based club gets wind of this and starts a bidding war.

Sutton ain't near MLS standard. Certainly for someone without a Green Card.
He's a steady ALM level player. Any overseas interest in him, I'm guessing will be around L1/L2 level at best.

NZ's history of players in the MLS ain't huge, so 2 guys (Nelsen & Elliott) going from there to the EPL is a pretty decent record. And coach Neville will know better than most, what Surman needs to do to achieve the same.

As someone else posted given that Talay didn't select Finn at all in season 22/23, very hard to get him to extend his contract, when he didn't know if he'd want to stay around or not. There were rumours of the Nix looking for a 2nd visa CB (alongside Wootton) 12 months ago.


Unknown editor edited July 07, 2024 09:57
Marto
If this is true its quite a dissapointing transfer all round. We should have had him tied up years ago. This is a good move for Sutton but not Surman, who I think has far greater potential.

He'll be often unavailble for the AWs, if he doesn't set the MLS on fire you can kiss goodbye to 20% sell on fees, if he does get sold on, most of the coin goes to them, not us, and his first move really should be to Europe. Only Nelsen and S. Elliott have found success in Europe by going MLS first.  

I just hope some UK based club gets wind of this and starts a bidding war.

Sutton ain't near MLS standard. Certainly for someone without a Green Card.
He's a steady ALM level player. Any overseas interest in him, I'm guessing will be around L1/L2 level at best.

NZ's history of players in the MLS ain't huge, so 2 guys (Nelsen & Elliott) going from there to the EPL is a pretty decent record. And coach Neville will know better than most, what Surman needs to do to achieve the same.
Unknown editor edited July 07, 2024 09:54
Marto
If this is true its quite a dissapointing transfer all round. We should have had him tied up years ago. This is a good move for Sutton but not Surman, who I think has far greater potential.

He'll be often unavailble for the AWs, if he doesn't set the MLS on fire you can kiss goodbye to 20% sell on fees, if he does get sold on, most of the coin goes to them, not us, and his first move really should be to Europe. Only Nelsen and S. Elliott have found success in Europe by going MLS first.  

I just hope some UK based club gets wind of this and starts a bidding war.

Sutton ain't near MLS standard. Certainly for someone without a Green Card.
He's a steady ALM level player. Any overseas interest in him, I'm guessing will be around L1/L2 level at best.

NZ's history of players in the MLS ain't huge, so 2 guys (Nelsen & Elliott) going from there to the EPL is a pretty decent record. And coach Neville will know better than most, what Surman needs to do to achieve the same.



Unknown editor edited July 07, 2024 09:54
Marto
If this is true its quite a dissapointing transfer all round. We should have had him tied up years ago. This is a good move for Sutton but not Surman, who I think has far greater potential.

He'll be often unavailble for the AWs, if he doesn't set the MLS on fire you can kiss goodbye to 20% sell on fees, if he does get sold on, most of the coin goes to them, not us, and his first move really should be to Europe. Only Nelsen and S. Elliott have found success in Europe by going MLS first.  

I just hope some UK based club gets wind of this and starts a bidding war.

Sutton ain't near MLS standard. Certainly for someone without a Green Card.

He's a steady ALM level player. Any overseas interest in him, I'm guessing will be around L1/L2 level at best.

NZ's history of players in the MLS ain't huge, so 2 guys (Nelsen & Elliott) going from there to the EPL is a pretty decent record. And coach Neville will know better than most, what Surman needs to do to achieve the same.



Unknown editor edited July 07, 2024 09:53
Marto
If this is true its quite a dissapointing transfer all round. We should have had him tied up years ago. This is a good move for Sutton but not Surman, who I think has far greater potential.

He'll be often unavailble for the AWs, if he doesn't set the MLS on fire you can kiss goodbye to 20% sell on fees, if he does get sold on, most of the coin goes to them, not us, and his first move really should be to Europe. Only Nelsen and S. Elliott have found success in Europe by going MLS first.  

I just hope some UK based club gets wind of this and starts a bidding war.

Why is it a good move for Sutton?