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Leggy wrote:

When he is not playing he will be able to go and watch the Bulls at  Loftus Versfeld and learn some Afrikaans.

Cool.

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He has to get used to play in front of a bigger more crazy crowd.

Foreign players also get extra goal celebration training.

Opinion Privileges revoked
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Leggy wrote:

When he is not playing he will be able to go and watch the Bulls at  Loftus Versfeld and learn some Afrikaans.

"Waar is die toilette?"

"Het jy Fritz se Wieners hier?"

"Ek is nie 'n Australiër."

"Ek gaan nie Sun City te speel."

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number8 wrote:

He has to get used to play in front of a bigger more crazy crowd.

Foreign players also get extra goal celebration training.

The team he is going to had an average crowd of 3,000 last season. The best supported team in that league Orlando has a lower average crowd than the Victory. That game I'm presumming was only well attended because it was for the Championship.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

They all read them.

educationally speaking they're at a higher reading age to the BPL boys who only read twitfacebook messages. Surely there's more depth to the average sports star than 140 characters. ...or maybe not.
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Ryan54 wrote:

number8 wrote:

He has to get used to play in front of a bigger more crazy crowd.

Foreign players also get extra goal celebration training.

The team he is going to had an average crowd of 3,000 last season. The best supported team in that league Orlando has a lower average crowd than the Victory. That game I'm presumming was only well attended because it was for the Championship.

Oh, well, that's a bummer! What about the dancing after goals?

If it's me, I would rather sitting on the bench and train harder, than going to SA with a young family.

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3 year deal apparently.

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Well confirmed he is off in January, may not see him on the pitch again for the Nix before then unless it is as a sub. Hope we do get to see him again or at least give him a good send off for what he has done for the club even if this year hasn't been his best.

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number8 wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

number8 wrote:

He has to get used to play in front of a bigger more crazy crowd.

Foreign players also get extra goal celebration training.

The team he is going to had an average crowd of 3,000 last season. The best supported team in that league Orlando has a lower average crowd than the Victory. That game I'm presumming was only well attended because it was for the Championship.

Oh, well, that's a bummer! What about the dancing after goals?

If it's me, I would rather sitting on the bench and train harder, than going to SA with a young family.

Easy to say that without seeing the finance behind the two deals. I dont think he wouldve been re-signed at the end of this season anyway - he's had long enough to train harder under Ernie and it just isnt working out. The fact that we are willing to let him go says it all.

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AJ13 wrote:

number8 wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

number8 wrote:

He has to get used to play in front of a bigger more crazy crowd.

Foreign players also get extra goal celebration training.

The team he is going to had an average crowd of 3,000 last season. The best supported team in that league Orlando has a lower average crowd than the Victory. That game I'm presumming was only well attended because it was for the Championship.

Oh, well, that's a bummer! What about the dancing after goals?

If it's me, I would rather sitting on the bench and train harder, than going to SA with a young family.

Easy to say that without seeing the finance behind the two deals. I dont think he wouldve been re-signed at the end of this season anyway - he's had long enough to train harder under Ernie and it just isnt working out. The fact that we are willing to let him go says it all.

Key statement.
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AJ13 wrote:

number8 wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

number8 wrote:

He has to get used to play in front of a bigger more crazy crowd.

Foreign players also get extra goal celebration training.

The team he is going to had an average crowd of 3,000 last season. The best supported team in that league Orlando has a lower average crowd than the Victory. That game I'm presumming was only well attended because it was for the Championship.

Oh, well, that's a bummer! What about the dancing after goals?

If it's me, I would rather sitting on the bench and train harder, than going to SA with a young family.

Easy to say that without seeing the finance behind the two deals. I dont think he wouldve been re-signed at the end of this season anyway - he's had long enough to train harder under Ernie and it just isnt working out. The fact that we are willing to let him go says it all.

Perhaps Number 8 is referring to the difficult conditions of living in SA with crime and violence etc. -  the highest murder rate in the world.

South Africa's national football team captain was murdered in a home invasion last month.

We've mostly seen white footballers heading the other way such as Keryn Jordan and Grant Young who were only too keen to quit South African football and settle here despite being two of the top white players in SA.

I believe the final straw leading Keryn Jordan to settle here was being victim of an attempted car-jacking at gunpoint... 

There are reasons that there are very few non-Africans playing in the South African Premier Soccer League. Brockie will be the only one at SuperSport.

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Ryan54 wrote:

The team he is going to had an average crowd of 3,000 last season. The best supported team in that league Orlando has a lower average crowd than the Victory. That game I'm presumming was only well attended because it was for the Championship.

Seems somewhat baffling that crowds would be so low given that football is the most popular sport in SA (only a small number of the majority blacks have a passion for rugby).

Average league attendance of 6700 last season.

https://www.espnfc.com/south-african-premiership/21...

It's crazy when the highest league attendance last season was 80,000 and the lowest was 50

There's a huge difference in the support for the top three sides and the others:

Team Name Average Attendance
Kaizer Chiefs                 18,470       
Orlando Pirates               12,476
Mamelodi Sundowns       11,533

South African commentators blame low attendances on fans preferring to watch the games on TV and the poor standard of play, with dull games and a lack of goals:

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/2014/09/17...

(scroll down halfway)

"By contrast, South Africa's own Premier Soccer League is usually unwatchable. Poor crowds mean poor atmosphere, and the action is scrappy. Last season's top scorer, Bernard Parker, netted just 10 goals. Compare that to Luis Suarez's total of 31, and the 16 other English Premier League strikers who scored more than 10. It's a 38-game season, as opposed to the PSL's 30 games, but still.

More than six in 10 matches in the PSL end scoreless or produce only one goal. In the English league last season, about one-third of the games had a victory margin of one goal, about a quarter had a two-goal margin, and the rest a margin of three goals or more. Six matches had a goal margin of more than five. In England, the goals are as abundant as the rain.

Young South African fans are increasingly discerning. They are frustrated by the PSL, which was the initial lure for millions of lower-income viewers who bought DStv subscriptions in the past seven years. They got live English action as part of the bouquet, and were hooked. While the Soweto derby still enjoys potent appeal, the drug of choice is the European product. This preference is even stronger elsewhere in sub-Saharan Africa, where the fan bases of local teams have been decimated, often at the cost of player development.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21206500

Most fans are watching the South African Premier League on TV instead:

"In his own South Africa, the TV audiences watching local games are double those of the EPL - even if the advertising revenue for the latter's games is significantly higher, given the demographic being targeted."

https://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/04...

It's an Africa-wide problem: "During matchdays, formerly staunch supporters gather at vibrant pubs to watch games of their favourite European teams on wide screens, forgetting the derby playing at a stadium nearby. Instead of spending $3 attending a game of unknown players, investing it to watch Arsenal or Chelsea while drinking cold beer with friends seems more ideal..."

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I can see why they want a striker!!! Fingers Crossed Brockie finds his form slays them all, wins golden boot, doesnt get car jacked or invaded then returns to the national team and bangs in a couple a game!!

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Big Pete 65 wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
number8 wrote:
Ryan54 wrote:
number8 wrote:

He has to get used to play in front of a bigger more crazy crowd.

Foreign players also get extra goal celebration training.

The team he is going to had an average crowd of 3,000 last season. The best supported team in that league Orlando has a lower average crowd than the Victory. That game I'm presumming was only well attended because it was for the Championship.

Oh, well, that's a bummer! What about the dancing after goals?

If it's me, I would rather sitting on the bench and train harder, than going to SA with a young family.

Easy to say that without seeing the finance behind the two deals. I dont think he wouldve been re-signed at the end of this season anyway - he's had long enough to train harder under Ernie and it just isnt working out. The fact that we are willing to let him go says it all.

Perhaps Number 8 is referring to the difficult conditions of living in SA with crime and violence etc. -  the highest murder rate in the world.

South Africa's national football team captain was murdered in a home invasion last month.

We've mostly seen white footballers heading the other way such as Keryn Jordan and Grant Young who were only too keen to quit South African football and settle here despite being two of the top white players in SA.

I believe the final straw leading Keryn Jordan to settle here was being victim of an attempted car-jacking at gunpoint... 

There are reasons that there are very few non-Africans playing in the South African Premier Soccer League. Brockie will be the only one at SuperSport.

Im sure he was referring to that too. But if Brockie knew he wasn't going to be hanging around (he said he had even talked to Ernie about it many months ago), and if there is significantly more money behind this deal than any of the others he was offered (if he was offered any at all..), it would be hard to say no to, even with those concerns.

3 years of financial security vs. hanging around in ASB Prem or VPL etc twiddling your thumbs... which would you chose?

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Jeff Vader wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

number8 wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

number8 wrote:

He has to get used to play in front of a bigger more crazy crowd.

Foreign players also get extra goal celebration training.

The team he is going to had an average crowd of 3,000 last season. The best supported team in that league Orlando has a lower average crowd than the Victory. That game I'm presumming was only well attended because it was for the Championship.

Oh, well, that's a bummer! What about the dancing after goals?

If it's me, I would rather sitting on the bench and train harder, than going to SA with a young family.

Easy to say that without seeing the finance behind the two deals. I dont think he wouldve been re-signed at the end of this season anyway - he's had long enough to train harder under Ernie and it just isnt working out. The fact that we are willing to let him go says it all.

Key statement.

Is it really though, considering we get a transfer fee?

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RoriM6 wrote:

I can see why they want a striker!!! Fingers Crossed Brockie finds his form slays them all, wins golden boot, doesnt get car jacked or invaded then returns to the national team and bangs in a couple a game!!

It's the kind of low-scoring league that should suit Brockie:

http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/2014/09/17...

(scroll down halfway)

"Last season's top scorer, Bernard Parker, netted just 10 goals. Compare that to Luis Suarez's total of 31, and the 16 other English Premier League strikers who scored more than 10. It's a 38-game season, as opposed to the PSL's 30 games, but still.

More than six in 10 matches in the PSL end scoreless or produce only one goal."

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Luis Garcia wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

number8 wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

number8 wrote:

He has to get used to play in front of a bigger more crazy crowd.

Foreign players also get extra goal celebration training.

The team he is going to had an average crowd of 3,000 last season. The best supported team in that league Orlando has a lower average crowd than the Victory. That game I'm presumming was only well attended because it was for the Championship.

Oh, well, that's a bummer! What about the dancing after goals?

If it's me, I would rather sitting on the bench and train harder, than going to SA with a young family.

Easy to say that without seeing the finance behind the two deals. I dont think he wouldve been re-signed at the end of this season anyway - he's had long enough to train harder under Ernie and it just isnt working out. The fact that we are willing to let him go says it all.

Key statement.

Is it really though, considering we get a transfer fee?

If we were contemplating not re-signing him, then sure, the transfer fee is a nice kicker. If we were looking to keep him then it would need to be a decent transfer fee. It would not surprise me if there is no transfer fee and they agree to part mutually so no side owes either anything and he is no longer a hold on the cap.
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Big Pete 65 wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

The team he is going to had an average crowd of 3,000 last season. The best supported team in that league Orlando has a lower average crowd than the Victory. That game I'm presumming was only well attended because it was for the Championship.

Seems somewhat baffling that crowds would be so low given that football is the most popular sport in SA (only a small number of the majority blacks have a passion for rugby).

Average league attendance of 6700 last season.

http://www.espnfc.com/south-african-premiership/21...

It's crazy when the highest league attendance last season was 80,000 and the lowest was 50

There's a huge difference in the support for the top three sides and the others:

Team Name Average Attendance
Kaizer Chiefs                 18,470       
Orlando Pirates               12,476
Mamelodi Sundowns       11,533

South African commentators blame low attendances on fans preferring to watch the games on TV and the poor standard of play, with dull games and a lack of goals:

http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/2014/09/17...

(scroll down halfway)

"By contrast, South Africa's own Premier Soccer League is usually unwatchable. Poor crowds mean poor atmosphere, and the action is scrappy. Last season's top scorer, Bernard Parker, netted just 10 goals. Compare that to Luis Suarez's total of 31, and the 16 other English Premier League strikers who scored more than 10. It's a 38-game season, as opposed to the PSL's 30 games, but still.

More than six in 10 matches in the PSL end scoreless or produce only one goal. In the English league last season, about one-third of the games had a victory margin of one goal, about a quarter had a two-goal margin, and the rest a margin of three goals or more. Six matches had a goal margin of more than five. In England, the goals are as abundant as the rain.

Young South African fans are increasingly discerning. They are frustrated by the PSL, which was the initial lure for millions of lower-income viewers who bought DStv subscriptions in the past seven years. They got live English action as part of the bouquet, and were hooked. While the Soweto derby still enjoys potent appeal, the drug of choice is the European product. This preference is even stronger elsewhere in sub-Saharan Africa, where the fan bases of local teams have been decimated, often at the cost of player development.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21206500

Most fans are watching the South African Premier League on TV instead:

"In his own South Africa, the TV audiences watching local games are double those of the EPL - even if the advertising revenue for the latter's games is significantly higher, given the demographic being targeted."

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/04...

It's an Africa-wide problem: "During matchdays, formerly staunch supporters gather at vibrant pubs to watch games of their favourite European teams on wide screens, forgetting the derby playing at a stadium nearby. Instead of spending $3 attending a game of unknown players, investing it to watch Arsenal or Chelsea while drinking cold beer with friends seems more ideal..."

Over 25% unemployment might contribute to the poor crowds.

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

number8 wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

number8 wrote:

He has to get used to play in front of a bigger more crazy crowd.

Foreign players also get extra goal celebration training.

The team he is going to had an average crowd of 3,000 last season. The best supported team in that league Orlando has a lower average crowd than the Victory. That game I'm presumming was only well attended because it was for the Championship.

Oh, well, that's a bummer! What about the dancing after goals?

If it's me, I would rather sitting on the bench and train harder, than going to SA with a young family.

Easy to say that without seeing the finance behind the two deals. I dont think he wouldve been re-signed at the end of this season anyway - he's had long enough to train harder under Ernie and it just isnt working out. The fact that we are willing to let him go says it all.

Perhaps Number 8 is referring to the difficult conditions of living in SA with crime and violence etc. -  the highest murder rate in the world.

South Africa's national football team captain was murdered in a home invasion last month.

We've mostly seen white footballers heading the other way such as Keryn Jordan and Grant Young who were only too keen to quit South African football and settle here despite being two of the top white players in SA.

I believe the final straw leading Keryn Jordan to settle here was being victim of an attempted car-jacking at gunpoint... 

There are reasons that there are very few non-Africans playing in the South African Premier Soccer League. Brockie will be the only one at SuperSport.

Money, nice. Living in gated community, shark.

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

Perhaps Number 8 is referring to the difficult conditions of living in SA with crime and violence etc. -  the highest murder rate in the world.

South Africa's national football team captain was murdered in a home invasion last month.

We've mostly seen white footballers heading the other way such as Keryn Jordan and Grant Young who were only too keen to quit South African football and settle here despite being two of the top white players in SA.

I believe the final straw leading Keryn Jordan to settle here was being victim of an attempted car-jacking at gunpoint... 

There are reasons that there are very few non-Africans playing in the South African Premier Soccer League. Brockie will be the only one at SuperSport.

Did these two make any inroads in football here, Big Pete?  

Would be useful to have them involved at local level at least.

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Mainland FC wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Perhaps Number 8 is referring to the difficult conditions of living in SA with crime and violence etc. -  the highest murder rate in the world.

South Africa's national football team captain was murdered in a home invasion last month.

We've mostly seen white footballers heading the other way such as Keryn Jordan and Grant Young who were only too keen to quit South African football and settle here despite being two of the top white players in SA.

I believe the final straw leading Keryn Jordan to settle here was being victim of an attempted car-jacking at gunpoint... 

There are reasons that there are very few non-Africans playing in the South African Premier Soccer League. Brockie will be the only one at SuperSport.

Did these two make any inroads in football here, Big Pete?  

Would be useful to have them involved at local level at least.

Think I read on here that Keryn Jordan unfortunately passed away not long ago?

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am really gutted he is leaving us. know he not everyones cup of tea, but generally thought he looked good in the first couple games. and was just a goal away from continuing his goal scoring feats

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Good luck Jeremy! Hope it goes really well. Thanks for all those 21 goals.

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The fact a foreign club in a reasonable league is interested in him (as was Toronto) demonstrates he has something to offer. The South African league isn't bad at all. Whilst someone has remarked that many white foreigners wouldn't touch it due to crime etc, it picks up plenty of quality players throughout Africa (if you were from DRC, South Africa wouldn't scare you). I wish him all the best but I don't think he is going to tear it up 

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Lived in SA around world cup time and saw a few games. the crowds(when they turned up) were my favourite of any where in the world! the hardcore support groups were of outstanding!

As for the standard of play. I think the continuum is similar to the a league, you have Adelaide v Victory and you have quick fast, open, attacking and sometimes beautiful football, then you have the jets v mariners and its fudgeing dire.

Super sport when I was there (i think) were mid table battlers, similar to us in that respect. 

While I was there I wondered why more NZ players give it a shot to be honest. the speed of the game is good and they tackle hard... even though that diving sharke is becoming more popular(but that is universal) . and they are well paid.

I think brocks will do well. and good on him for looking starting opportunities. 

I cant wait to see the youtube highlights of him being golden boot next season

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Go well Jeremy. Bang them in !
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the storey tells it all about the life of the modern footballer. Form dips; no alternative but to go global and wife and kids pack up for South Africa for financial security and proper game time. Genuinely wish JB and family all the best. Hope he travels to Auckland as he deserves a decent send off.
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Mainland FC wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Perhaps Number 8 is referring to the difficult conditions of living in SA with crime and violence etc. -  the highest murder rate in the world.

South Africa's national football team captain was murdered in a home invasion last month.

We've mostly seen white footballers heading the other way such as Keryn Jordan and Grant Young who were only too keen to quit South African football and settle here despite being two of the top white players in SA.

I believe the final straw leading Keryn Jordan to settle here was being victim of an attempted car-jacking at gunpoint... 

There are reasons that there are very few non-Africans playing in the South African Premier Soccer League. Brockie will be the only one at SuperSport.

Did these two make any inroads in football here, Big Pete?  

Would be useful to have them involved at local level at least.

Keryn Jordan was one of the greatest goal-scorers in the history of our national league, scoring 76 goals in 100 games for Waitakere and Auckland City 2004- 2010. He'd been top goal-scorer in the South African Premier League in 1997-98 before immigrating here (52 goals in 94 games for Manning Rangers in the SA Premier League). His coach at Manning was Gordon Igesund, Jeremy Brockie's new coach at SuperSport.

He scored his 76 goals here while fighting cancer almost from the beginning in 2005 when he started to get sick, which makes his feat all the more amazing. He was 29 when he arrived in NZ. 

Apparently the impossibility of getting insurance because of his cancer was a factor which squashed any chance of him playing in the A-League for the Knights or the Phoenix. I guess the demands of full time pro football may have been too much while battling cancer too.

Keryn passed away in Pretoria in October last year. 

His son Liam aged 16 grew up in Auckland but has opted thus far to play age group football for SA where he is now based.



2004–2005 Waitakere United 21 apps 15 goals
2005–2010 Auckland City FC 79 apps 61 goals

 Similarly Grant Young came here as a veteran of the South African Premier League (12 seasons at Hellenic FC) and a season at Ghent in Belgium - and amazingly, though he was already 33 when he immigrated here in 2004, played another five years and was one of the best strikers of the era for Central and Auckland City 2004-2009 (38 goals in 78 games for Auckland City).

Grant Young interview in the South African media May this year when he visited the SA team before they played the All Whites in Auckland:

http://www.citypress.co.za/sport/grant-young-share...

He retired from playing Northern League football only last year (aged 42) at Forest Hill Milford.

"The retired player, who now works for a printing company but wants to get into coaching at some stage..."

LG
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Thanks Pete, that was very interesting reading.

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Ryan de Vries also came from South Africa... don't know his story though - emigrated with parents?

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Mon, 08 Dec 2014 4:53a.m.

We catch up with Wellington Phoenix forward and All White Jeremy Brockie as he prepares to take up a two and a half year contract with the Pretoria-based SuperSport United in South Africa.

http://www.radiolivesport.co.nz/Jeremy-Brockie/tabid/454/articleID/21576/Default.aspx

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Mon, 08 Dec 2014 4:53a.m.

We catch up with Wellington Phoenix forward and All White Jeremy Brockie as he prepares to take up a two and a half year contract with the Pretoria-based SuperSport United in South Africa.

http://www.radiolivesport.co.nz/Jeremy-Brockie/tabid/454/articleID/21576/Default.aspx

That is good, honest, interview. Thank you for sharing.

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sounds like jb sw the writing on the wall, knew that he didnt fit into Ernie's plans and was struggling to fit into the style of game. Hopefuly he can be an ambassador for young kiwis to look at south africa as a footballing option.

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Apparently he was at my daughters primary school today. Good to see he is still earning his money

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Sounds a bit dodge.

What was he doing?

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Junior82 wrote:

Sounds a bit dodge.

What was he doing?

Don't worry, very unlikely that he would have scored.

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Ooh, so cruel!

*giggles then feels a bit sheepish* 

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I dunno what they were up to at the school. Apparently there were three Phoenix players there as the misses saw them in their Kit when she picked up our six year old. She could only recognize Brockie of the three of them. My six year didn't see them but maybe they were marketing the game with the elder kids. 

Do they visit schools in Wellington?

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