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Posted June 22, 2023 07:12 · last edited June 22, 2023 07:13

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Dyer 74 mins (4-0) in a 4-0 loss at Memphis. As of yet not really happening for Tulsa (11th/2nd last in the East) or Dyer (2 goals in 16 games) this USL season.

Musa an unused sub for CS in a 1-0 loss.

3 Kiwis getting regular USL mins this season to date. Collier, Kyle Adams & Wynne. To a lesser extent Dyer & Zwetsloot. Perhaps no coincidence the first 3 have made the AWs from the USL the last few seasons.

Brady an unused sub for Chattanooga in a 5-1 loss.


To be fair to Moses, he's played 981 minutes this season to Collier's 597. Tulsa have also only played one more game than San Diego so far. SD are performing better though - ten points more after their fifteen games - though only beat Tulsa 2-1 courtesy of a 90+4' own goal. Individually Dyer has two non-penalty goals and two assists, to Collier's one goal and two assists (both coming in the same game). Dyer playing as a centre-forward is probably his best bet at getting an international re-call, though Bevan is probably above him, just behind the current crop.

Also, a bit of deja vu (potentially) for Dyer in today's game. Emerson Hyndman scored for Memphis, just as he did in another 4-0 win back in 2015 when his USA U20s beat Dyer's NZ side at North Harbour. Both started that game and this game. Hyndman had 25 Championship appearances at Fulham by the age of 20, a senior international debut at 18, had a couple SPFL loans to Rangers (where he was their YPOTY) and Hibernian, and two Prem appearances with Bournemouth in 2018. He spent the last couple years at Atlanta Utd in MLS, but was getting ever less minutes - only 282 last year - so mutually terminated and dropped down to USLC.

I think Wynne and Adams could feel a bit hard done by not being picked for the two games, though as eventuated they wouldn't have played. I'd have had them ahead of Surman and De Vries given USLC is a fair bit higher than the local leagues those two are playing in. Perhaps they were told they wouldn't play much behind Cacace and Boxall/Tuiloma/Pijnaker/Smith but are (hopefully) very much not forgotten, and that missing a club match each wouldn't be worth the maximum 30 minutes they might've received in the Qatar game.
I was personally disappointed how weak we were up front with hold up play against Sweden. We couldn’t hold the ball. It couldn’t hurt Waine and Mata to know their positions weren’t theirs of right. I’m not sure Dyer and Bevan are better, but the gap isn’t so vast and perhaps the AWs call up might be the career or personal boost they need. Who knows? But yeah overall Tulsa don’t seem the winning unit Dyer’s last club were and he hasn’t yet made that difference.

Whereas Boxall and Tuiloma should be better on paper than Adams. Perhaps Smith too, but he’s struggled to get game time recently. 

But with the others as well those sub/bench spots are open and there should be plenty of competition for them. Hopefully by players improving and graduating to playing at a higher level rather than having a lot of players floating around USL/LOI/lower Scandinavian leagues…
Interesting question is if the A league is better than the USL or LOI. You’d say so usually I guess, especially higher up the table…

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carlind
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Dyer 74 mins (4-0) in a 4-0 loss at Memphis. As of yet not really happening for Tulsa (11th/2nd last in the East) or Dyer (2 goals in 16 games) this USL season.

Musa an unused sub for CS in a 1-0 loss.

3 Kiwis getting regular USL mins this season to date. Collier, Kyle Adams & Wynne. To a lesser extent Dyer & Zwetsloot. Perhaps no coincidence the first 3 have made the AWs from the USL the last few seasons.

Brady an unused sub for Chattanooga in a 5-1 loss.


To be fair to Moses, he's played 981 minutes this season to Collier's 597. Tulsa have also only played one more game than San Diego so far. SD are performing better though - ten points more after their fifteen games - though only beat Tulsa 2-1 courtesy of a 90+4' own goal. Individually Dyer has two non-penalty goals and two assists, to Collier's one goal and two assists (both coming in the same game). Dyer playing as a centre-forward is probably his best bet at getting an international re-call, though Bevan is probably above him, just behind the current crop.

Also, a bit of deja vu (potentially) for Dyer in today's game. Emerson Hyndman scored for Memphis, just as he did in another 4-0 win back in 2015 when his USA U20s beat Dyer's NZ side at North Harbour. Both started that game and this game. Hyndman had 25 Championship appearances at Fulham by the age of 20, a senior international debut at 18, had a couple SPFL loans to Rangers (where he was their YPOTY) and Hibernian, and two Prem appearances with Bournemouth in 2018. He spent the last couple years at Atlanta Utd in MLS, but was getting ever less minutes - only 282 last year - so mutually terminated and dropped down to USLC.

I think Wynne and Adams could feel a bit hard done by not being picked for the two games, though as eventuated they wouldn't have played. I'd have had them ahead of Surman and De Vries given USLC is a fair bit higher than the local leagues those two are playing in. Perhaps they were told they wouldn't play much behind Cacace and Boxall/Tuiloma/Pijnaker/Smith but are (hopefully) very much not forgotten, and that missing a club match each wouldn't be worth the maximum 30 minutes they might've received in the Qatar game.
I was personally disappointed how weak we were up front with hold up play against Sweden. We couldn’t hold the ball. It couldn’t hurt Waine and Mata to know their positions weren’t theirs of right. I’m not sure Dyer and Bevan are better, but the gap isn’t so vast and perhaps the AWs call up might be the career or personal boost they need. Who knows? But yeah overall Tulsa don’t seem the winning unit Dyer’s last club were and he hasn’t yet made that difference.

Whereas Boxall and Tuiloma should be better on paper than Adams. Perhaps Smith too, but he’s struggled to get game time recently. 

But with the others as well those sub/bench spots are open and there should be plenty of competition for them. Hopefully by players improving and playing at a higher level rather than having a lot of players floating around USL/LOI/lower Scandinavian leagues…
Interesting question is if the A league is better than the USL or LOI. You’d say so usually I guess, especially higher up the table…