Has signed a two-year contract.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/105364563/former-wellington-phoenix-player-logan-rogerson-finds-new-home-in-germany
Logan Rogerson (FC Noah | Armenia)
I guess this is the right move for him. He is young and will learn a lot from this experience. Hope he is doing well over there.
"Just a phone call would have been nice but for them not to ring me or some of the other players I thought was pretty unprofessional," said Rogerson, who felt let down by the lack of communication.
so business as usual at the Phoenix and there are some wondering why some NZ players are turning down the Phoenix to play in the ISPS Handa Prem
Goes back as far as last year too, with people like Vinnie Lia saying the same thing. Sad to hear and embarrassing.
Good move for him. Third tier in Germany will be tough and give him opportunities to improve. As he said in the article, you have a good half season in Europe, and you never know what doors might open for you - so let's hope he does a Boyd (and plays for the All Whites as well!).
Goes back as far as last year too, with people like Vinnie Lia saying the same thing. Sad to hear and embarrassing.
At some point someone within the club has made the decision not to renew certain contracts and obviously at that point they have simply done nothing.
It's actually pretty weird.
It's probably worth comparing this to a ridiculous workplace situation that I once witnessed.
I was contracting at a government department. A fellow contractor said to me one day that it was her last day and that no one had spoken to her about finalization or renewal. She had tried to meet with her boss and his boss too but they had been too busy. She bundled up her work, organized it excellently, left notes etc and left the organization. It took her boss 4 days to notice she was gone and it was rather hilarious to watch him going desk to desk asking people if they had seen her around and the panic that followed once he realized what had happened.
Good on Rogerson and McGarry for taking care of themselves and getting themselves well represented and organized for their next contract. I guess they have both learnt that if you want to manage your career effectively, you cannot rely on anyone but yourself.
Considering he played in the Hong Kong 7s for the Phoenix in May something doesn't add up in that statement.
Anyway, good luck to him. Hope the Rogerson we spotted late last season for the first team is the one who has gone to Germany, if so he'll go well there.
Considering he played in the Hong Kong 7s for the Phoenix in May something doesn't add up in that statement.
"Obviously I went to Hong Kong [for the Soccer Sevens] and that was my last involvement with the Phoenix. Chris Greenacre was a part of that and I got on real well with Greenie, he gave me my chances towards the end of the season. But even he couldn't really tell me much in Hong Kong because he was in the same position as me, he wasn't sure about his future. It was a weird time not just for the players but for the staff as well."
He also said:
"They obviously had bigger things to worry about, their staff and the head coach, so they probably wanted to sort out contracts for them before they started looking at players."
I think this is a good exit interview. Nix also offered him a trial which sounds a bit like they are not rating him. Logan got a real offer at a club who actual shows interest. Phoenix are the losers in this, they groomed him a few years and got nothing out of him.
"Just a phone call would have been nice but for them not to ring me or some of the other players I thought was pretty unprofessional," said Rogerson, who felt let down by the lack of communication.
so business as usual at the Phoenix and there are some wondering why some NZ players are turning down the Phoenix to play in the ISPS Handa Prem
"Just a phone call would have been nice but for them not to ring me or some of the other players I thought was pretty unprofessional," said Rogerson, who felt let down by the lack of communication.
so business as usual at the Phoenix and there are some wondering why some NZ players are turning down the Phoenix to play in the ISPS Handa Prem
Serious question, is it normal for a club to not inform a player if they are not going to be offered a new deal?
The Phoenix apparently told him in June that he would get the opportunity to trial for Rudan.but they couldn't offer him a contract because they wanted maximum flexibility.
He also said:
"They obviously had bigger things to worry about, their staff and the head coach, so they probably wanted to sort out contracts for them before they started looking at players."
I think this is a good exit interview. Nix also offered him a trial which sounds a bit like they are not rating him. Logan got a real offer at a club who actual shows interest. Phoenix are the losers in this, they groomed him a few years and got nothing out of him.
He had to trial there as well though.
Understand how he'd be annoyed at the lack of communication and having to trial with Rudan, but to me that was a positive move by the club as we've seen what happens when you sign (or re-signs) players without the coach's approval.
Communication could have been better though.
Came off the bench to score the winner in their final pre-season game.
Unser #FCC siegt im letzten Test dieser Vorbereitung mit 2:1 (1:1) beim @BFCDynamo. Die Tore für die #Zeiss-Elf erzielten Julian Günther-Schmidt (37.) und Logan Rogerson (87.). Hier ➡️ https://t.co/tU6PnVtjwp geht's zum Spielbericht. #BFCFCC pic.twitter.com/IIdU0v7xdS
— FC Carl Zeiss Jena (@fccarlzeissjena) July 21, 2018
"Just a phone call would have been nice but for them not to ring me or some of the other players I thought was pretty unprofessional," said Rogerson, who felt let down by the lack of communication.
so business as usual at the Phoenix and there are some wondering why some NZ players are turning down the Phoenix to play in the ISPS Handa Prem
Serious question, is it normal for a club to not inform a player if they are not going to be offered a new deal?
Not sure but one example i can give is Arsenal and Jack Wilshere. His contract was running out and he was not offered a new deal, the club and manager held talks with him about this and he was reliably informed that he would be released, this gave him the opportunity to say a proper farewell to supporters and the club, as well as help him promptly find a new club.
Talked to Logan this morning and asked him to clarify - said he went to play in HK 7's with Greenie but had no communication from the club he described the situation as "a shambles"
Talked to Logan this morning and asked him to clarify - said he went to play in HK 7's with Greenie but had no communication from the club he described the situation as "a shambles"
Talked to Logan this morning and asked him to clarify - said he went to play in HK 7's with Greenie but had no communication from the club he described the situation as "a shambles"
Yes. Coaches come and go. Players like Rogerson, Singh are long term projects. They are also young teenagers footballers with their first job, they deserve special treatment and protection.
Talked to Logan this morning and asked him to clarify - said he went to play in HK 7's with Greenie but had no communication from the club he described the situation as "a shambles"
Yeh but then we sign up guys the coach doesn't want and the club gets criticised.
Talked to Logan this morning and asked him to clarify - said he went to play in HK 7's with Greenie but had no communication from the club he described the situation as "a shambles"
Yeh but then we sign up guys the coach doesn't want and the club gets criticised.
?? having a director of football doesn't mean we'd sign these guys, but at least a DoF could talk to these guys regularly or be a point of contact for them
Talked to Logan this morning and asked him to clarify - said he went to play in HK 7's with Greenie but had no communication from the club he described the situation as "a shambles"
Yeh but then we sign up guys the coach doesn't want and the club gets criticised.
?? having a director of football doesn't mean we'd sign these guys, but at least a DoF could talk to these guys regularly or be a point of contact for them
Ahh ok.
The club clearly need a new process for dealing with off-contract players
think they need a process period
Finally the move has been officially confirmed
Nun ganz offiziell! Herzlich willkommen, Logan #Rogerson (20)! Unser Kiwi war zuletzt für den neuseeländischen Erstligisten @WgtnPhoenixFC am Ball und unterschrieb einen bis Sommer 2020 laufenden Vertrag an den Kernbergen. #Welcome #FCC #MehrAlsFußball pic.twitter.com/GEj4HGxDZG
— FC Carl Zeiss Jena (@fccarlzeissjena) July 24, 2018
Well, officially! Welcome, Logan #Rogerson(20)! Our kiwi was last for the New Zealand First #WgtnPhoenixFC division on the ball and signed a contract up to summer 2020 on the core mountains. #Welcome #FCC #MehrAlsFußball
3:2 last minute win for Jena. Rogerson played the last 16 minutes in front of 4113 Fans.
3:2 last minute win for Jena. Rogerson played the last 16 minutes in front of 4113 Fans.
Sounds exactly like Rogerson playing in Wellington. Apart from the last minute win.
Stays on the bench in a 2-1 win away.
Played 2nd half in a 3-0 loss midweek. Already 3-0 when subbed on.
Then left on the bench during a 1-1 draw overnight. Both goals coming post 85 mins.
An unused sub as Zena knocked out of German Cup, losing 4-2 to Union Berlin (Bundesliga 2).
Zena were briefly leading 2-1 in first half.
Stays on the bench as Jena beat Zwickau 2-0.
Jena climb to 4th on 3 Liga log. Marinovic’s old side Unterhaching are 2nd.
Stays on the bench as Jena draw 1-1 at home to Hansa Rostock. Jens score at 94 mins.
Is Rogerson’s first match day squad appearance since late August.
Unused sub as Jena beat ZFC Meuselwitz (from Regionaliga or 4th Div) 1-0 in a Regional Cup game.
Surprised he hasn't been playing more, maybe it's gonna take a season before he finds his feet over there?
Surprised he hasn't been playing more, maybe it's gonna take a season before he finds his feet over there?
Rogerson did go 2 mths without even being in match day squad - so may have been injured for awhile?? Unsure
Stefan Marinovic recently gave some interesting views on German lower league football.
He was asked if he had any advice for ex Whitecaps team mate and wunderkid Alphonso Davies. Davies has been signed by Bayern Munich. Video in SM thread.
Basically Marinovic said it's very tough. Local players don't give a fudge about your reputation or what you have done overseas. This is Germany, and they won't think twice to nail you in a brutal tackle, even team mates in practice.
So yes Rogerson could well be having a "period of adjustment". Jena actually play SM's old side Unterhaching next week in Liga 3. The fact that his ex Welnix team mate McGarry, in comparison is getting minutes already in the Eredivisie, may just be more a reflection that Dutch top flight has dropped in quality - as mentioned by others.
I spoke to Nati Hailemariam about Germany once and he said pretty much the same thing, starting spots are a valuable chance to be seen by scouts from bigger clubs so training sessions are every man for himself and if you get hurt in a tackle that's your problem.
Logan is injured since end of last year, first muscle currently knee. Unlucky. Jena is second to last on the table, looks like not the best time for him.
Seems to have recovered from his injury troubles and subsequent surgery and is back playing again, albeit for the reserve team who play in the 5th tier Oberliga Nordost-Süd.
Scored in his comeback match, getting 75 minutes against FSV 63 Luckenwalde which finished 2-2
Got 55 minutes on the weekend in a 4-2 loss at home to FC Eilenburg. His replacement scored not long after coming on.
Only five games left in the season, and not a realistic goal to crack the first team as it stands, so probably a good goal just to knuckle down and make the most of these next few games and see what happens. Still got a contract till the end of next season by the looks, so he'll be looking for a strong preseason and hopefully he remains injury free and can kick on from there.
First team are a possibility to be relegated from 3. Liga to Regionaliga (4th tier) so that could mean some players leave, increasing Rogerson’s chances of first team playing time.
Zeiss Jena, are 1 point above the drop zone with 3 rounds left in 3. Liga. Had been mired in bottom two most of the season, but their recent form has actually been pretty good, so may well survive.