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Ryan Thomas (PEC Zwolle | Netherlands)

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22 Nov 21:22 · edited 22 Nov 21:28 · History

On the night Ryan Thomas lost with PEC Zwolle to PSV Eindhoven.

Night show Studio Voetbal, analysing the Eredivisie weekend.

Fantastic PEC Zwolle and John van ‘t Schip harvesting full praise.

Ron Jans about ‘one of the best player in the Eredivisie: “Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV, bring them on”.

PEC Zwolle-midfielder Ryan Thomas is one of the most prolific and striking players of this edition of the Dutch Eredivisie. The New-Zealander travelled from The Netherlands via New- Zealand to Peru for the WC play-offs only to excel during PEC Zwolle-PSV as if it were ‘business is usual’.

The studio guests were simply astounded by his performance. The extremely critical and controversial pundit Pierre van Hooijdonk, winner of the European Cup 3 with Feyenoord, waxed lyrical.

"John’s team played PSV off the park. They were fantastic and a sheer lust for the eye. They were the moral winner and really belong in the position they are in the table”.

His current coach John van ‘t Schip, very impressed: : “Ryan arrived Friday morning, required fysio-treatment, and said: ‘I feel okay, coach’. On Saturday he trained with the entire squad and on Sunday he gave it all. He is of paramount importance for the team. He is só important as a link between defense and attack and he has an admirable mentality”.

Former PEC Zwolle coach Ron Jans who worked with Ryan: “He is one of the best players in the Eredivisie and has everything going for him. He has been struggling with coping with the game physically, but he has now reached his summit. I wouldn’t be surprised if one day he would end up with Real Madrid. For now I’d say, Ajax, Feyenoord or PSV, take your chances". Sorry, John”.

John van ‘t Schip: “You don’t have to be sorry, Ron, he is simply one of the best the Dutch league has to offer”.

Personal note.

Now I enjoy the privilege to see Ryan Thomas play on a regular base and I’d say he would perfectly blend in with one of the traditional top three teams of The Netherlands. It seems as if everything is going for him now and yes, his horizon vision is second to none.

But hey, let’s be realistic; we are still talking the Dutch Eredivisie, a far cry from the likes of their pendants in England, Germany and Spain. It’s tempting to get carried away but Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV are non-factors on European level, in spite of Ajax fluking its way into the Europa League last season.

I’m not in a position to question Ron Jans’ analysis skills (parenthetically, I played with him during our school days in Zwolle) but his flirtation with Real Madrid…

Yes, he is talented, yes he has a tremendous drive, yes he has a horizon vison, yes he is determined.His greatest asset though is 'nuchterheid', best translated as 'sobriety'. 

22 Nov 21:31

PECZwolle wrote:

On the night Ryan Thomas lost with PEC Zwolle to PSV Eindhoven.

Night show Studio Voetbal, analysing the Eredivisie weekend.

Fantastic PEC Zwolle and John van ‘t Schip harvesting full praise.

Ron Jans about ‘one of the best player in the Eredivisie: “Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV, bring them on”.

PEC Zwolle-midfielder Ryan Thomas is one of the most prolific and striking players of this edition of the Dutch Eredivisie. The New-Zealander travelled from The Netherlands via New- Zealand to Peru for the WC play-offs only to excel during PEC Zwolle-PSV as if it were ‘business is usual’.

The studio guests were simply astounded by his performance. The extremely critical and controversial pundit Pierre van Hooijdonk, winner of the European Cup 3 with Feyenoord, waxed lyrical.

"John’s team played PSV off the park. They were fantastic and a sheer lust for the eye. They were the moral winner and really belong in the position they are in the table”.

His current coach John van ‘t Schip, very impressed: : “Ryan arrived Friday morning, required fysio-treatment, and said: ‘I feel okay, coach’. On Saturday he trained with the entire squad and on Sunday he gave it all. He is of paramount importance for the team. He is só important as a link between defense and attack and he has an admirable mentality”.

Former PEC Zwolle coach Ron Jans who worked with Ryan: “He is one of the best players in the Eredivisie and has everything going for him. He has been struggling with coping with the game physically, but he has now reached his summit. I wouldn’t be surprised if one day he would end up with Real Madrid. For now I’d say, Ajax, Feyenoord or PSV, take your chances". Sorry, John”.

John van ‘t Schip: “You don’t have to be sorry, Ron, he is simply one of the best the Dutch league has to offer”.

Personal note.

Now I enjoy the privilege to see Ryan Thomas play on a regular base and I’d say he would perfectly blend in with one of the traditional top three teams of The Netherlands. It seems as if everything is going for him now and yes, his horizon vision is second to none.

But hey, let’s be realistic; we are still talking the Dutch Eredivisie, a far cry from the likes of their pendants in England, Germany and Spain. It’s tempting to get carried away but Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV are non-factors on European level, in spite of Ajax fluking its way into the Europa League last season.

I’m not in a position to question Ron Jans’ analysis skills (parenthetically, I played with him during our school days in Zwolle) but his flirtation with Real Madrid…

Yes, he is talented, yes he has a tremendous drive, yes he has a horizon vison, yes he is determined.His greatest asset though is 'nuchterheid', best translated as 'sobriety'. 

'grounded'

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

22 Nov 22:59

JamesBo wrote:

As much as I want him to do well and think he is a good player, I think people are getting a tad too excited. 

Sure he has talent and obvious drive, 

but if he ended up playing in the premiership with a bottom half table team, that would do me.

As they said in the interview Spain would suit his play style more so a prem team wouldn't do him the world of good

Yes, its imperative he stays away from the EPL. For once we've produced a genuinely technical player, and in the prem technical players like Thomas are either so good that they can still play well or are hacked down by Ryan Shawcross or Lee Catermole every week. Much better suited to the Spanish league. Would also love to see him move to a  Bundesliga or Serie A side too. In Italy Lazio, Inter or Roma would be great , or for Germany I'd love to see him go to Dortmund or Hoffenheim. Ultimately though I really think he's destined for La Liga, and right now I genuinely think he could get game time for a Sevilla/Villarreal/Sociedad. Whats great about moving to one of those is that usually the star young players of those teams get picked up by Atletico, Barca or Real Madrid

Well said, if he can join a team like the ones you have mentioned or even Real Betis. If he plays well at one of those teams he has a big chance to get picked up by Atletico or even Barca or Madrid. Teams in spain are known for producing and helping players put there careers on track. Unlike the bpl were you see time and time again players who have failed to perform in the league.
25 Nov 19:40

Thomas starting and Rojas on the bench for their clash starting at 8:45am

Should be a stream here http://wiz1.net/channel68

25 Nov 21:39

Zwolle come from 1-0 down to win it 1-2. Rojas never made it onto the pitch.

Really interesting to see JvS having a lot of success coaching Zwolle, he looked out of his depth at Melbourne City. Maybe the problem was with the club itself then?

25 Nov 22:07

RR wrote:

Zwolle come from 1-0 down to win it 1-2. Rojas never made it onto the pitch.

Really interesting to see JvS having a lot of success coaching Zwolle, he looked out of his depth at Melbourne City. Maybe the problem was with the club itself then?

Always thought he was a decent manager. Just goes to show that money doesn't always buy success. 

Good on him though, and good stuff from PEC Zwolle.

25 Nov 22:10

He also appeared  out of his depth when he coached in Mexico.

Maybe its a mixture of club, culture, league, and support staff

25 Nov 22:46

Ryan wrote:

He also appeared  out of his depth when he coached in Mexico.

Maybe its a mixture of club, culture, league, and support staff

Surely it can't be the players?

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

25 Nov 23:06

Well, the players are part of the club really.

At heart I don't think he ever had a great budget but he did at City and still didn't do that well.

27 Nov 05:59

The rumour mills will start soon with the January transfer window approaching. Exciting to think we he might end up.

27 Nov 17:26

hopefully Marco picks up some of the magic and can emulate his success

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27 Nov 17:37 · edited 27 Nov 17:38 · History

To continue to perpetuate this myth that the AWs have a top international quality forward, Rojas needs to have 1-2 quality years in the Netherlands. Needs to become a consistent starter for his club.

Up to him. Thomas has shown the way. Have doubts that Rojas had same drive and fearlessness. Hopefully he proves me wrong.

27 Nov 18:50

coochiee wrote:

To continue to perpetuate this myth that the AWs have a top international quality forward, Rojas needs to have 1-2 quality years in the Netherlands. Needs to become a consistent starter for his club.

Up to him. Thomas has shown the way. Have doubts that Rojas had same drive and fearlessness. Hopefully he proves me wrong.

It always sems to me that the physicality thing is where Marco struggles

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

27 Nov 19:23

HZA wrote:

hopefully Marco picks up some of the magic and can emulate his success

Surely he's better to stay put for the time being, don't you think? As fans we love it when players break through to the 'big' teams/leagues but I reckon Thomas is in the best possible position for his development right now. Performing well, competitive team, good league and looking likely to get a first taste of European football next season. Surely that's the ideal scenario for another year or so? 

27 Nov 19:52

On 24th November 2017, PEC Zwolle icon Dries Jans, father of former coach Ron Jans, passed away at the age of 90. He played for the BlauwVingers from 1945 until 1960 and scored the first goal for PEC Zwolle after the club turned professional in the mid-50’s.

John van ’t Schip: “these are the sweetest of victories”.

“We were very mediocre in the first half. Heerenveen kept us in the game by not capitalizing on the acres of space we offered. Nicolás Freire’s equaliser came out of nowhere and just in time. This tastes sweet after our immaculate performance against PSV”


Why is John van ’t Schip successful with PEC Zwolle?

John van ’t Schip is an advocate of ball possession, three attacking midfielders and penetrating backs. He’s a fervent scholar from the Johan Cruijff movement, a protagonist of attacking football.

In sharp contrast with last season, John van ’t Schip has a well-balanced squad at his disposal, less prone to injuries. He created a delightful mixture. Confidence, flair, swing, attacking instinct, dominance, ‘cocky attitude’. The way PEC Zwolle brushed aside PSV for longer spells was almost embarrassing, showing them every corner of the pitch.

He attacks, does not neglect defensive tasks, creates wingers who can outplay an opponent, employs penetrating defenders who close in on midfield with an urge to attack. He positioned Ryan Thomas in pivotal midfield role. Vision, paired with deadly precision passing.

He fails a prolific striker though. The club lost at Ajax, managed a goalless draw at Feyenoord and weren’t on target against PSV.

This coming Friday, PEC Zwolle are up against FC Utrecht in Zwolle.

27 Nov 22:22

coochiee wrote:

To continue to perpetuate this myth that the AWs have a top international quality forward, Rojas needs to have 1-2 quality years in the Netherlands. Needs to become a consistent starter for his club.

Up to him. Thomas has shown the way. Have doubts that Rojas had same drive and fearlessness. Hopefully he proves me wrong.

It always sems to me that the physicality thing is where Marco struggles

Watched him live in Lima. Thought he was too ‘soft’ when he came on. Did he win or attempt to win a tackle? This why I think in some games he can seem AWOL. Realise he is far from the biggest bloke but neither is Thomas, and he doesn’t hold back.

Rojas has only just started his Dutch stint, and hopefully he goes on to make it a success - but in my view he needs to toughen up.

29 Nov 23:05

Definitely agree with the above. Rojas very light in both physique and approach to games. Think for example of Barbarouses, who worked his butt off in the series (especially in the first game) and was getting stuck in in attack and defense. 

Be great if Marco found some of that mongrel in him and you actually saw him give 100% every now and then.

Classy player, no doubt, but not that good that he can just cruise through games, especially if he wants to make it in Europe.


VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

30 Nov 02:26

Definitely agree with the above. Rojas very light in both physique and approach to games. Think for example of Barbarouses, who worked his butt off in the series (especially in the first game) and was getting stuck in in attack and defense. 

Be great if Marco found some of that mongrel in him and you actually saw him give 100% every now and then.

Classy player, no doubt, but not that good that he can just cruise through games, especially if he wants to make it in Europe.

Totally agree with this. It’s up him to find a bit of inner ‘mongrel’ otherwise he’ll fail to fulfil that promise.

30 Nov 11:14

coochiee wrote:

Definitely agree with the above. Rojas very light in both physique and approach to games. Think for example of Barbarouses, who worked his butt off in the series (especially in the first game) and was getting stuck in in attack and defense. 

Be great if Marco found some of that mongrel in him and you actually saw him give 100% every now and then.

Classy player, no doubt, but not that good that he can just cruise through games, especially if he wants to make it in Europe.

Totally agree with this. It’s up him to find a bit of inner ‘mongrel’ otherwise he’ll fail to fulfil that promise.

I feel like he is/will be New Zealand's Nathan Burns (only a little more successful). On his day Marco is insanely good and has so much potential, problem is he doesn't show it enough and doesn't have the work ethic that Thomas, Wood or Reid do
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

02 Dec 02:14

90 mins for Zwolle (remain 4th) in a 1-1 home draw verus Utrecht (remain 5th).

02 Dec 04:28

I know this is the Ryan Thomas thread but I find criticism of Rojas's form in recent AWs games to be harsh. He's clearly at his best as a winger in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 and Hudson's formation had no natural role for him. He's not suited to playing more centrally at all. 

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

02 Dec 04:46

Yet he always stays that being in the middle is his preferred position

02 Dec 04:59

Ryan wrote:

Yet he always stays that being in the middle is his preferred position

He might prefer playing centrally but he's clearly more effective out wide. He's played his best football in his 2 spells at the Victory and both times he played pretty much exclusively as a winger

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

10 Dec 01:05 · edited 10 Dec 01:07 · History

Credited with an assist in a 2-1 win away over Excelsior.

Zwolle 4th on the table, equal on pts with Ajax who however have game in hand and far better GD.

10 Dec 01:58 · edited 10 Dec 01:58 · History

coochiee wrote:

Credited with an assist in a 2-1 win away over Excelsior.

Zwolle 4th on the table, equal on pts with Ajax who however have game in hand and far better GD.

47 seconds in

12 Dec 22:32

90 minutes for Ryan in a 1-1 draw against AZ this morning, PEC Swolle missing a penalty in the 88th minute (not Thomas though)!


VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

13 Dec 21:29

PEC Zwolle vs AZ. Tuesday 12th December 2017. The two most attractive footballing sides of the domestic Dutch League meet. Forget PSV. Forget Ajax.

13th minute into the match on a freezing night in Zwolle’s Theatre Of Dreams. Ryan Thomas, the frail Kiwi, labeled as the best midfielder of the Eredivisie, intercepts in PEC Zwolle’s own half, encircled by three opponents.

A subtle flick and touch of the leather sends the trio awol with frightening ease. There’s a collective ‘aaahhh’ of appreciation and admiration rolling in from the terraces.

After the match the three players of AZ have been reported as missing persons.

13 Dec 22:31

Great penalty at the end. 

16 Dec 23:51

Any way to watch the full documentary here in NZ?

17 Dec 00:01

Or in the Netherlands? I don’t have fox sports...

Fuck this stupid game

17 Dec 00:11

TopLeft07 wrote:

Or in the Netherlands? I don’t have fox sports...

 Looks like it’s half English and half Dutch so might be a stretch to get English subtitles

Fuck this stupid game

21 Dec 23:37

Zwolle are signing another Kiwi:

http://theniche-cache.com/football/2017/12/19/flying-kiwis-december-19

Marcel @SOM038

Replying to @edge_declan and 4 others

Thank you for sending him towards Zwolle Mr. Edge!

Declan Edge @edge_declan

I am sending you another player in the New Year. He is also very good.

10:34 - 18 Dec 2017

"Left-footed midfielder, 16 years old and also out of Ole. Gonna sign with the club in January and played at the U17 World Cup earlier in the year, so he says. Sounds suspiciously like Elijah Just, don’t you think? (He’s actually 17 but if all tweets were factually accurate then politics would be a different beast)."

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

22 Dec 00:10

Ryan started and played 77 mins as Zwolle beat NEC Nijmegen 2-0 at home in the Dutch Cup on Wednesday morning NZT:

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2017/12/19/netherlands/knvb-beker/bvo-fc-zwolle/nijmegen-eendracht-combinatie/2655534/

http://www.peczwolle.nl/nl/laatste-nieuws_1/pec-zwolle-verslaat-nec-nijmegen-in-bekertoernooi2017-12-19

Puts them through to a quarter-final vs. AZ Alkmaar.

Zwolle play again tomorrow morning (Saturday) NZT vs. Den Hag in the league.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

22 Dec 07:02

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Zwolle are signing another Kiwi:

http://theniche-cache.com/football/2017/12/19/flying-kiwis-december-19

Marcel @SOM038

Replying to @edge_declan and 4 others

Thank you for sending him towards Zwolle Mr. Edge!

Declan Edge @edge_declan

I am sending you another player in the New Year. He is also very good.

10:34 - 18 Dec 2017

"Left-footed midfielder, 16 years old and also out of Ole. Gonna sign with the club in January and played at the U17 World Cup earlier in the year, so he says. Sounds suspiciously like Elijah Just, don’t you think? (He’s actually 17 but if all tweets were factually accurate then politics would be a different beast)."

I hope it's Just, great young talent and player, future for the NT
22 Dec 07:45

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Zwolle are signing another Kiwi:

http://theniche-cache.com/football/2017/12/19/flying-kiwis-december-19

Marcel @SOM038

Replying to @edge_declan and 4 others

Thank you for sending him towards Zwolle Mr. Edge!

Declan Edge @edge_declan

I am sending you another player in the New Year. He is also very good.

10:34 - 18 Dec 2017

"Left-footed midfielder, 16 years old and also out of Ole. Gonna sign with the club in January and played at the U17 World Cup earlier in the year, so he says. Sounds suspiciously like Elijah Just, don’t you think? (He’s actually 17 but if all tweets were factually accurate then politics would be a different beast)."

Could well be Elijah Just - I thought that kid had a lot of heart with the U17s and by far the best attitude. Definitley a key player throughout the tournament for the 17s. If it is him, the dutch league suits his style of play. 

22 Dec 18:16

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Ryan started and played 77 mins as Zwolle beat NEC Nijmegen 2-0 at home in the Dutch Cup on Wednesday morning NZT:

https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2017/12/19/netherlands/knvb-beker/bvo-fc-zwolle/nijmegen-eendracht-combinatie/2655534/

http://www.peczwolle.nl/nl/laatste-nieuws_1/pec-zwolle-verslaat-nec-nijmegen-in-bekertoernooi2017-12-19

Puts them through to a quarter-final vs. AZ Alkmaar.

Zwolle play again tomorrow morning (Saturday) NZT vs. Den Hag in the league.

Not in match day squad for game today vs De Haag

22 Dec 20:12

Injured or a sign that a transfer announcement is coming?

22 Dec 20:16 · edited 22 Dec 20:25 · History

happydays wrote:

Injured or a sign that a transfer announcement is coming?

Did wonder if a sign to a January transfer! But google has revealed no new gossip on Thomas.

Not listed as injured on Soccerway, but of course Zwolle only played 3 days ago in Dutch Cup - so may just be having a rest.

Without him Zwolle are getting thumped. Currently down 0-4 vs Den Haag.

Eredivisie goes into 1 month winter break post this game.