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Yipe understand that there only a limited amount of staff resources & money at NZF.

Perhaps the real debate should be where is that money better spent to grow the game, and esp the profile.

What is the real value of the expensive OFC underage tournaments. By that I mean player development. Limited according to Declan and others.

In the girls/women's space virtually nil, where the other OFC Nations are woefully weak.

Sure they lead to qualification for the various age group World Cups. But again what are the value of those? Have many NZ players starred at these enough to get pro gigs? Remember Tuiloma as one. Gleeson another.

Many of the big football countries don't take them seriously at all. They would just rather concentrate on their development domestically. The Ole boys are picking up overseas pro gigs before U20's has even kicked off. Do the underage WC's serve much value, apart from stroking egos of parent's kids (no offence to them) etc.

Maybe just scrap all those sides. Concentrate on top quality coaching whether it be through FFDP (womens/girls), Ole or whatever and just develop top quality Kiwi talent that way. With the rationale that if you are good enough, you'll make it anyway.

With money saved, try develop quality regular programmes for AWs & FFs. For example pay FFA some cash to lure the Socceroos to Auckland for a game this June verus an AWs side (sure minus MLS contingent & those injured). But could still feature Rojas, Wood, Marinovic, Singh, Barba, Lewis, Rufer etc. Mike Boxall, Tuiloma, Smith & Wynne  may even scrounge a week off from the MLS. Recuperating Thomas & Reid to sign autographs for the kids.

It's a tricky, complex situation driven by a lack of funds and other stuff as AV pointed out. But the situation deserves some introspection, for what's best for NZ Football. It's just sharkhouse we never see the AWs play big games in NZ.

The AWs are still football's major shop window. Them and the Phoenix. Without the AWs playing some quality/high profile games in NZ, each 4 year WC cycle the game will NEVER achieve it's potential in NZ. The young kids are crying out to see their overseas based idols like Wood and co up close. 

You have a guy scoring for fun in the highest profile league in the world the last 2 years, yet in that time he’s played 20 mins (off the bench against in NZ). Worst football marketing campaign ever.

Again it's tricky for many reasons, but the current setup is hugely frustrating.

Of course if AWS did become part of an AFC Nations League, with regularish games hope & away against likes of Korea, Japan, China & Australia - all paid for by FIFA, via the huge money that's apparently on the table for a Global Nations League - then many problems are solved.

Yipe understand that there only a limited amount of staff resources & money at NZF.

Perhaps the real debate should be where is that money better spent to grow the game, and esp the profile.

What is the real value of the expensive OFC underage tournaments. By that I mean player development. Limited according to Declan and others.

In the girls/women's space virtually nil, where the other OFC Nations are woefully weak.

Sure they lead to qualification for the various age group World Cups. But again what are the value of those? Have many NZ players starred at these enough to get pro gigs? Remember Tuiloma as one. Gleeson another.

Many of the big football countries don't take them seriously at all. They would just rather concentrate on their development domestically. The Ole boys are picking up overseas pro gigs before U20's has even kicked off. Do the underage WC's serve much value, apart from stroking egos of parent's kids (no offence to them) etc.

Maybe just scrap all those sides. Concentrate on top quality coaching whether it be through FFDP (womens/girls), Ole or whatever and just develop top quality Kiwi talent that way. With the rationale that if you are good enough, you'll make it anyway.

With money saved, try develop quality regular programmes for AWs & FFs. For example pay FFA some cash to lure the Socceroos to Auckland for a game this June verus an AWs side (sure minus MLS contingent & those injured). But could still feature Rojas, Wood, Marinovic, Singh, Barba, Lewis, Rufer etc. Mike Boxall, Tuiloma, Smith & Wynne  may even scrounge a week off from the MLS. Recuperating Thomas & Reid to sign autographs for the kids.

It's a tricky, complex situation driven by a lack of funds and other stuff as AV pointed out. But the situation deserves some introspection, for what's best for NZ Football. It's just sharkhouse we never see the AWs play big games in NZ.

The AWs are still football's major shop window. Them and the Phoenix. Without the AWs playing some quality/high profile games in NZ, each 4 year WC cycle the game will NEVER achieve it's potential in NZ. The young kids are crying out to see their overseas based idols like Wood and co up close. 

Again it's tricky for many reasons, but the current setup is hugely frustrating.

Of course if AWS did become part of an AFC Nations League, with regularish games hope & away against likes of Korea, Japan, China & Australia - all paid for by FIFA, via the huge money that's apparently on the table for a Global Nations League - then many problems are solved.

Yipe understand that there only a limited amount of staff resources & money at NZF.

Perhaps the real debate should be where is that money better spent to grow the game, and esp the profile.

What is the real value of the expensive OFC underage tournaments. By that I mean player development. Limited according to Declan and others.

In the girls/women's space virtually nil, where the other OFC Nations are woefully weak.

Sure they lead to qualification for the various age group World Cups. But again what are the value of those? Have many NZ players starred at these enough to get pro gigs? Remember Tuiloma as one. Gleeson another.

Many of the big football countries don't take them seriously at all. They would just rather concentrate on their development domestically. The Ole boys are picking up overseas pro gigs before U20's has even kicked off. Do the underage WC's serve much value, apart from stroking egos of parent's kids (no offence to them) etc.

Maybe just scrap all those sides. Concentrate on top quality coaching whether it be through FFDP (womens/girls), Ole or whatever and just develop top quality Kiwi talent that way.

With money saved, try develop quality regular programmes for AWs & FFs. For example pay FFA some cash to lure the Socceroos to Auckland for a game this June verus an AWs side (sure minus MLS contingent & those injured). But could still feature Rojas, Wood, Marinovic, Singh, Barba, Lewis, Rufer etc. Mike Boxall, Tuiloma, Smith & Wynne  may even scrounge a week off from the MLS. Recuperating Thomas & Reid to sign autographs for the kids.

It's a tricky, compllex situation driven by a lack of funds and other stuff as AV pointed out. But the situation deserves some introspection, for what's best for NZ Football. It's just sharkhouse we never see the AWs play big games in NZ.

The AWs are still football's major shop window. Them and the Phoenix. Without the AWs playing some quality/high profile games in NZ, each 4 year WC cycle the game will NEVER achieve it's potential in NZ. The young kids are crying out to see their overseas based idols like Wood and co up close. 

Again it's tricky for many reasons, but the current setup is hugely frustrating.

Of course if AWS did become part of an AFC Nations League, with regularish games hope & away against likes of Korea, Japan, China & Australia - all paid for by FIFA, via the huge money that's apparently on the table for a Global Nations League - then many problems are solved.

Yipe understand that there only a limited amount of staff resources & money at NZF.

Perhaps the real debate should be where is that money better spent to grow the game, and esp the profile.

What is the real value of the expensive OFC underage tournaments. By that I mean player development. Limited according to Declan and others.

In the girls/women's space virtually nil, where the other OFC Nations are woefully weak.

Sure they lead to qualification for the various age group World Cups. But again what are the value of those? Have many NZ players starred at these enough to get pro gigs? Remember Tuiloma as one. Gleeson another.

Many of the big football countries don't take them seriously at all. They would just rather concentrate on their development domestically. The Ole boys are picking up overseas pro gigs before U20's has even kicked off. Do the underage WC's serve much value, apart from stroking egos of parent's kids (no offence to them) etc.

Maybe just scrap all those sides. Concentrate on top quality coaching whether it be through FFDP (womens/girls), Ole or whatever and just develop top quality Kiwi talent that way.

With money saved, try develop quality regular programmes for AWs & FFs. For example pay FFA some cash to lure the Socceroos to Auckland for a game this June verus an AWs side (sure minus MLS contingent & those injured). But could still feature Rojas, Wood, Marinovic, Singh, Barba, Lewis, Rufer etc. Mike Boxall, Tuiloma, Smith & Wynne  may even scrounge a week off from the MLS. Recuperating Thomas & Reid to sign autographs for the kids.

It's a tricky, compllex situation driven by a lack of funds and other stuff as AV pointed out. But the situation deserves some introspection, for what's best for NZ Football. It's just sharkhouse we never see the AWs play big games in NZ.

The AWs are still football's major shop window. Them and the Phoenix. Without the AWs playing some quality/high profile games in NZ, each 4 year WC cycle the game will NEVER achieve it's potential in NZ. The young kids are crying out to see their overseas based idols like Wood and co up close.

Again it's tricky for many reasons, but current setup is hugely frustrating.

Of course if AWS did become part of an AFC Nations League, with regularish games hope & away against likes of Korea, Japan, China & Australia - all paid for by FIFA, via the huge money that's apparently on the table for a Global Nations League - then many problems are solved.

Yipe understand that there only a limited amount of staff resources & money at NZF.

Perhaps the real debate should be where is that money better spent to grow the game, and esp the profile.

What is the real value of the expensive OFC underage tournaments. By that I mean player development. Limited according to Declan and others.

In the girls/women's space virtually nil, where the other OFC Nations are woefully weak.

Sure they lead to qualification for the various age group World Cups. But again what are the value of those? Have many NZ players starred at these enough to get pro gigs? Remember Tuiloma as one. Gleeson another.

Many of the big football countries don't take them seriously at all. They would just rather concentrate on their development domestically. The Ole boys are picking up overseas pro gigs before U20's has even kicked off. Do the underage WC's serve much value, apart from stroking egos of parent's kids (no offence to them) etc.

Maybe just scrap all those sides. Concentrate on top quality coaching whether it be through FFDP (womens/girls), Ole or whatever and just develop top quality Kiwi talent that way.

With money saved, try develop quality regular programmes for AWs & FFs. For example pay FFA some cash to lure the Socceroos to Auckland for a game this June verus an AWs side (sure minus MLS contingent & those injured). But could still feature Rojas, Wood, Marinovic, Singh, Barba, Lewis, Rufer etc. Mike Boxall, Tuiloma, Smith & Wynne  may even scrounge a week off from the MLS. Recuperating Thomas & Reid to sign autographs for the kids.

It's a tricky, compllex situation driven by a lack of funds and other stuff as AV pointed out. But the situation deserves some introspection, for what's best for NZ Football. It's just sharkhouse we never see the AWs play big games in NZ.

The AWs are still football's major shop window. Them and the Phoenix. Without the AWs playing some quality/high profile games in NZ, each 4 year WC cycle the game will NEVER achieve it's potential in NZ. The young kids are crying out to see their overseas based idols like Wood and co up close.

Again it's tricky for many reasons, but current setup is hugely frustrating.

Of course if AWS did become part of an AFC Nations League, with regularish games hope & away against likes of Korea, Japan, China & Australia - all paid for by FIFA, via the huge money that's apparently on the table for a Global nations League - then many problems are solved.

Yipe understand that there only a limited amount of staff resources & money at NZF.

Perhaps the real debate should be where is that money better spent to grow the game, and esp the profile.

What is the real value of the expensive OFC underage tournaments. By that I mean player development. Limited according to Declan and others.

In the girls/women's space virtually nil, where the other OFC Nations are woefully weak.

Sure they lead to qualification for the various age group World Cups. But again what are the value of those? Have many NZ players starred at these enough to get pro gigs? Remember Tuiloma as one. Gleeson another.

Many of the big football countries don't take them seriously at all. They would just rather concentrate on their development domestically. The Ole boys are picking up overseas pro gigs before U20's has even kicked off. Do the underage WC's serve much value, apart from stroking egos of parent's kids (no offence to them) etc.

Maybe just scrap all those sides. Concentrate on top quality coaching whether it be through FFDP (womens/girls), Ole or whatever and just develop top quality Kiwi talent that way.

With money saved, just try develop quality regular programmes for AWs & FFs. For example pay FFA some cash to lure the Socceroos to Auckland for a game this June verus an AWs side (sure minus MLS contingent & those injured). But could still feature Rojas, Wood, Marinovic, Singh, Barba, Lewis, Rufer etc. Mike Boxall, Tuiloma, Smith & Wynne  may even scrounge a week off from the MLS. Recuperating Thomas & Reid to sign autographs for the kids.

It's a tricky, compllex situation driven by a lack of funds and other stuff as AV pointed out. But the situation deserves some introspection, for what's best for NZ Football. It's just sharkhouse we never see the AWs play big games in NZ.

The AWs are still football's major shop window. Them and the Phoenix. Without the AWs playing some quality/high profile games in NZ, each 4 year WC cycle the game will NEVER achieve it's potential in NZ. The young kids are crying out to see their overseas based idols like Wood and co up close.

Again it's tricky for many reasons, but current setup is hugely frustrating.

Of course if AWS did become part of an AFC Nations League, with regularish games hope & away against likes of Korea, Japan, China & Australia - all paid for by FIFA, via the huge money that's apparently on the table for a Global nations League - then many problems are solved.